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tsukiyomaruzero said:
I'd not say it's more restrictive, I'd say it's more logical and lenient at the same time. That said, Inkbunny allows you to post it censored and link out in the description, so it's still a HUGE W from Inkbunny over this.
My point exactly. Id hardly call this place an """""aRcHivE"""""
notmenotyou said:
For everyone's convenience here's the new section of the Uploading Guidelines:FAQ:
What exactly is now forbidden?
Young humans and anything that looks vaguely like a young human in NSFW contexts. This includes plain humans, stylized humans like cartoon characters (The Simpsons, etc), elves, orcs, vampires, zombies, kemonomimi, humans with a few glued on animal features (noses, tails, ears, whiskers, etc.), and similar content.
Basically, if it mostly looks like a young human (even with stylistic or other small changes), it is no longer allowed.What about cub / anthro?
Young anthro characters / cubs are unaffected by this change and are still allowed to be posted.
The sudden deletions pushed my upload limit into the negatives, what do I do?
Email us or DM an administrator, and we'll bump your limit back up to being usable to you.
I think one of the submissions you purged was done in error, as it does not feature a young human or young humanoid character. Can that be reinstated?
Yes! We're working through everything we deleted to restore content that got caught by error, and if you know something that's affected, we'd be more than happy to have a look and restore it if applicable. We hope to get all false hits sorted out by ourselves, but that might take us a while due to the massive volume of posts to go through.
I believe I have found a submission that breaks these guidelines, but was not deleted, what do I do?
At the moment, if you find anything please send us an email ([email protected]) and we will have a look. However we will try to have an on-site option in the Flag For Deletion menu for this ASAP, and will edit this entry once that’s all sorted out and live.
Why didn't you manually vet all deletions before deleting anything?
This whole ordeal had to be implemented sooner rather than later, and as such, it was sadly not feasible to go through all of the content first. But as we can restore things without lasting consequences, we believe our approach outweighs the negatives of some false hits being inaccessible for a small period of time.
so, in other words, you chose to betray your users in a pathetic attempt to virtue signal, and in the end all you managed to do was show your true colors. i hope you're aware that you've basically killed your site now, even people who don't post this will likely leave and might even copyright you if their art ends up on your site at a later date. on top of this, you're driving away your fans in a pathetic and ultimately worthless attempt to sterilize your site, and it won't be long until this is just another dead site in the graveyard of image hosting sites who let the false power get to their heads. the bar was so low that it was a tripping hazard in hell, and yet here you are, winning in a limbo contest with the devil.
"Archive site" btw
notmenotyou said:
You're free to try and run a project of our size from your basement or with a data center, and see what happens to your finances and lawyer fees once you hit our size and notoriety. This hasn't been a project able to be run without any external scrutiny for over a decade, but particularly so in the last 3 or 4 years.
Our business partners aren't some faceless megacorps trying to figure out how to squeeze another 0.1% profit margin out of their portfolio, but small local ones that get the same shit served on a platter that we do. And unsurprisingly when their livelihoods are threatened they aren't going to be able to just handwave it away, they got their own employees and families to think about.Do you run sites and servers in the adult industry? Because we do. So do our partners, so do a whole bunch of our colleagues in the broader adult toys and porn industry, so do our friends in porn creations. The vibes have deteriorated quite a bit across the entire industry across the globe, and the impact is pretty far reaching behind the scenes due to the uncertainty this causes.
We don't have any problem hosting problematic content from an ideological standpoint, fantasy is fantasy and I've repeated that ad nauseam in public and private every time the topic came up that we should get rid of either feral, cub, lolishota, rape, murder, necrophilia, and so forth. I have a literal template saved because how often I get to repeat myself to people that apparently think cub porn is equivalent to genuine CSAM but refuse to turn themselves in as murderers for having 1000+ hours logged in GTAV.However, when the people we depend on for our existence actually have their livelihoods threatened we are forced to react. And that point was reached earlier this week.
Do you know what people in the industry feel when basically every other month a new bi-partisan bill somewhere gets made that aims to make things harder in the industry? And even if it's eventually repealed they all vow to continue bringing it back with minor adjustments until it sticks?
Do you know what's going to happen to a company that gets legally binding content removal requests for months, and has to fear that noncompliance means they lose access to an entire market segment, and then their customers can't sell their products there anymore and will likely jump ship as well?It is really easy to throw shade when you're unaffected by what's happening and have no idea what's been going on when it's not featured front and center in the news somewhere.
And no, we will not be naming our partners for the sole reason that they don't deserve any heat, they're getting it raw the same way we do, and the same way more places will in the future.
And last but not least, while this decision may have been rash, it does also allow us to protect things in the long run. As long as we aren't forced to purge the files from the server they will continue to stay there indefinitely with the hope that we can make them public again eventually. We already had to irreversibly purge too many as is, and this will at least protect the rest from that, even if we can't share them at the moment.
If you want to prevent shit like this from happening in the future, vote, yell at your representatives, get involved directly. More and more of this shit is getting flung at the adult industry at large from both sides of the aisle, in basically every western nation. The UK and EU want to make encryption illegal, in the US Dems and Reps respectively want to either make porn only accessible ID and SSN or make it illegal entirely, payment processors get more aggressive all the time for everything adult, the UK even has been whining at us for months about some new fucking brainfart they're dreaming up to PrOtEcT tHe ChIlDrEn.
well, enjoy the death of your site. remember that this is exactly what FurAffinity tried, and last i checked, they're dead now. the bar was so low that it was a tripping hazard in hell, and yet here you are, winning in a limbo contest with the devil.
kutkabo said:
"Archive site" btw
imagine being a glorified .png hosting website and trying to strongarm furries into only being allowed to like a certain chest size
arieslia said:
well, enjoy the death of your site. remember that this is exactly what FurAffinity tried, and last i checked, they're dead now. the bar was so low that it was a tripping hazard in hell, and yet here you are, winning in a limbo contest with the devil.
Okay, that line was beautiful the first time you said it, but then you said it a second time...
arieslia said:
well, enjoy the death of your site. remember that this is exactly what FurAffinity tried, and last i checked, they're dead now. the bar was so low that it was a tripping hazard in hell, and yet here you are, winning in a limbo contest with the devil.
FA still lives, but the pacing has been reduced by about 80% soon after their bigger change, then went back up, but never to 100%, only 70% at most. It's still very active, but mostly they went "Let's just not have underage characters here, you have an alt site to go to."
yomeny1 said:
Correct me if wrong, but I still haven't seen a concrete answer to what exactly is causing this change. Only vague details of politics, server hosts, and ISPs. For me at least, it's the lack of transparency here that is the biggest issue. I get if it's something that cannot be shared, but anything to at least give a proper reason would help.
My guess is that the Card People pulled the reigns on Bad Dragon, and they in turn tightened the screws on the E621 staff.
What I find curious is that this happened within days of the cyber attack by SiegedSec against the Heritage Foundation, which happens to have many influential rich killjoys.
So, people talking about "Download it all", you need useful archives. We need to have better ways of knowing if there are archived posts and tags like e621. It's not useful to just have archives on your own HDD, and even if on a site like Archive.Today or Wayback, you need to reduce duplication of effort. Hmm... Also, add sources where you can.
Torrents like in topic #37724 help a bit, especially since you can fill gaps. Too bad most of those aren't seeded. I was never able to even get the magnet links to get me the list of files past 2011. :(
GoDaddy's infamously bad support is kind of well-known. Taking an entire domain down for about a dozen stories out of millions that were being actively moderated seems like a bad look. It feels like 4chban playbook, to report to GoDaddy instead of FF.net.
Sankaku Complex booru has kind of always been inferior?
People complaining that money and other resources are needed to keep this site up is almost an entire page of this topic, haha.
robman34 said:
Change it back. This is not what anyone wants.
Especially NMNY? Not really much choice. Still wish I'd have day's notice. :(
At first I thought it was just going to be young_human and young_humanoid posts, which wasn't actually that many, but then I saw young human explicit posts and really, really wished I'd got to tagging all of those, already.
supersecretunknown said:
porn requires consent
Since when? You think that PornHub taking down something like half it's catalog had anything to do with it being 'porn' or not. They had plenty of revenge porn and other stuff that was illegal as hell.
I am really, really hating this abuse of the English language. Try looking up the origin of the word. Was the person that initially pushed for this 'improvement', ironically English?
kricketot_yeah said:
this change sucks cock and i hope it gets reverted as soon as possible
Naw, it Suck-kak-u's.
aomikan said:
Are we, though? Or are we all just sitting here in our furry blue hexagonal bubble bitching back and forth with zero practical activity happening? The people fighting for positive change throughout history didn't say "well we'll just do what they say for now because if we win enough elections we can do what we want again" as if that's going to make a difference (Look up George Carlin's routines on "the illusion of choice"). The way forward is through defiance. Yeah, it's tough and it's painful but that's how things get better. Changing the rules to bend the knee to censorious leeches then saying "maybe we'll be able to go back to the way things were if the people I like get elected" is lazy and ignorant.And yeah, I am well aware that right now we're just talking about silly furry porn. But you and I both know that it doesn't stop here. Right now we're the low hanging fruit, but that just means once we're gone it'll be something else that's the new low hanging fruit. And it won't stop until the tree is stripped bare and burnt to ash. If it can be stopped now then let's stop it now.
Hey now, that is insulting to actual Slackers!
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rocketsphynx said:
Post something racist or transphobic and it'll get removed immediately.....
Or, well, anything remotely close to.those.
Explain all the nazi shit, and racist kinks then (both blacked and bleached). That's just R34 mods and their shitty double standards
bepis666 said:
I'm sure this has been asked, but is there a list of the ids of all posts which were deleted?
status:deleted delreason:*purge*
eleganta said:
So, not related to anything on this topic, who makes backups of e6 frequently for download?
Depends on what you mean by 'backup'. I've been archiving the database exports every few months.
Actual media files is a different kettle of fish.
tsukiyomaruzero said:
FA still lives, but the pacing has been reduced by about 80% soon after their bigger change, then went back up, but never to 100%, only 70% at most. It's still very active, but mostly they went "Let's just not have underage characters here, you have an alt site to go to."
tumblr also died when they removed porn in general
When George Orwell was writing the book "1984", this is exactly what he was thinking about
So it's now policy to screw over artists and users if the money wags a finger. Gotcha.
notmenotyou said:
For everyone's convenience here's the new section of the Uploading Guidelines:FAQ:
What exactly is now forbidden?
Young humans and anything that looks vaguely like a young human in NSFW contexts. This includes plain humans, stylized humans like cartoon characters (The Simpsons, etc), elves, orcs, vampires, zombies, kemonomimi, humans with a few glued on animal features (noses, tails, ears, whiskers, etc.), and similar content.
Basically, if it mostly looks like a young human (even with stylistic or other small changes), it is no longer allowed.What about cub / anthro?
Young anthro characters / cubs are unaffected by this change and are still allowed to be posted.
The sudden deletions pushed my upload limit into the negatives, what do I do?
Email us or DM an administrator, and we'll bump your limit back up to being usable to you.
I think one of the submissions you purged was done in error, as it does not feature a young human or young humanoid character. Can that be reinstated?
Yes! We're working through everything we deleted to restore content that got caught by error, and if you know something that's affected, we'd be more than happy to have a look and restore it if applicable. We hope to get all false hits sorted out by ourselves, but that might take us a while due to the massive volume of posts to go through.
I believe I have found a submission that breaks these guidelines, but was not deleted, what do I do?
At the moment, if you find anything please send us an email ([email protected]) and we will have a look. However we will try to have an on-site option in the Flag For Deletion menu for this ASAP, and will edit this entry once that’s all sorted out and live.
Why didn't you manually vet all deletions before deleting anything?
This whole ordeal had to be implemented sooner rather than later, and as such, it was sadly not feasible to go through all of the content first. But as we can restore things without lasting consequences, we believe our approach outweighs the negatives of some false hits being inaccessible for a small period of time.
notmenotyou said:
Greetings!We've got a doozy this time.
Due to challenges stemming from changes in the political and legal environment, both offline and online, we have had to adjust our content guidelines to preserve access to our site. As a result, any content featuring young human or humanoid characters in explicit situations is now prohibited and will be deleted. This change also applies retroactively, and we have already removed all existing submissions featuring such content.As with all irrelevant content, we will not issue records for uploads that violate this policy; the content will simply be deleted.
Thank you for your understanding, as this was not an easy decision for us to make.
Major w
tsukiyomaruzero said:
You fail to understand the problem, so I'll shorten it for you: Today it's underage FICTIONAL characters, tomorrow it will be cubs, then next day will be ferals, then one day it will be any non-safe art, and before then this will be a a site controlled by a politically-twisted sponsor who cares not for the community they destroyed.
Also, true. It could definitely turn into a spiral if not contained. An unfortunate sign of things perhaps. Guess we'll see
*Rubs Chin* I've been poking around this place for a VERY long time. I've seen stuff come and go, and now alot of it went, some of it I guess legitly, alot of it like, oh crap, gotta Thanos snap! I read to page 12 before my brain was melting. Lots of point on all sides, but honestly, it'll never end. I'm not for/against loli/human/young/feral/whatever reasons for removal, I could care less. I have so much random stuff I've favorited because, oh, i like that image or the like.
This just seems like WAY too much of a 'we're going to pull the plug at 5mins till midnight' reaction. Either way, glad you guys have been running THIS long, as it's been a great ride!
But, its this ban, then young furry, then feral, then LGBT, religious, war, violence.. eventually, all that'll be left is porn with the explicit imagry of procreation, and not even interspecies, eventually that'll be intolerable as well!
Then, poof, no more furry!
Either way, Kudos for keeping things running this long, I can't say I completely understand the suddeness or reasonin, but you gotta do what you gotta do to keep afloat for the hornballs out there.
Will I leave? Naw, if things do basically evaporate, I got enough wank material to keep me going for another decade. If that evaporates, I still got an imagination.
Just y'all giving the mods ass, should knock it off, be thankful that there is STILL a load of stuff here, and they'll be able to restore some of it, hell, be thankfull for ANY of it, as you've likely invested not a dime, or your time!
Later Tater Gators!
whitestarpony said:
You haven't looked at the purge yet have you. There's tons that isn't actually underage. Take a look at the list and pop a minus of all the underage tags in the search, there's still THOUSANDS of images that have just been burned away forever.
We are aware that many false positives were caught in the crossfire. Please link them in this thread and they will be reviewed and restored (if applicable) shortly: https://e621.net/forum_topics/45525
cooper06 said:
I'm more upset about the double standard with cub and young human stuff honestly. It should be all or nothing
Good point. How is cub fine but loli/shota isn't? It just makes no sense. It's both underage content.
firno said:
Good point. How is cub fine but loli/shota isn't? It just makes no sense. It's both underage content.
Human characters. But some people don't care whether it's fictional or based on real underage character or real porn, they consider all those to be pedo material regardless.
In the same vein that people assume porn of fictional ferals makes people zoophile.
Or that violent games makes people violent.
Or that GTA will make children grow into criminals.
Or that by watching a Superman movie you might jump off the roof when trying to fly.
I could go into more examples, but those would go too far.
wandering_spaniel said:
We are aware that many false positives were caught in the crossfire. Please link them in this thread and they will be reviewed and restored (if applicable) shortly: https://e621.net/forum_topics/45525
Dude, it's THOUSANDS of images that only tangentially were linked to underage shit because they had human-ish tags. You also forget no one can see them anymore to verify 100%. Ya know, because they were deleted with no warning. Unless you have some miracle way of viewing deleted items which I'd LOVE to know about.
Also, I'm not going to spend months clicking every "Deleted" on 218 pages of your bad judgement. Maybe you should have been straightforward and stated "We need to temporarily remove this stuff because people are being dicks to our financers, please help us by flagging it" and you might have had less of a shitshow. Doing things right usually brings less of a backlash than reacting stupidly.
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tsukiyomaruzero said:
Human characters. But some people don't care whether it's fictional or based on real underage character or real porn, they consider all those to be pedo material regardless.
In the same vein that people assume porn of fictional ferals makes people zoophile.
Or that violent games makes people violent.
Or that GTA will make children grow into criminals.
Or that by watching a Superman movie you might jump off the roof when trying to fly.
I could go into more examples, but those would go too far.
"Oh, but you see, those are different! Why? c-cause I say so!"
firno said:
Good point. How is cub fine but loli/shota isn't? It just makes no sense. It's both underage content.
It's because of the way the law was phrased, DUH.
shiitake said:
It's because of the way the law was phrased, DUH.
But there is no law, their money was being poked with a stick, so e621's money poked THEM with a stick and E621 shit itself in defense.
I very much doubt any investors would be fine with cub porn if loli/shota is a no go. For me there is no difference, both are just drawings in the end and are not real. So it seems like a good idea to download all your favorites, before more stuff gets deleted.
firno said:
I very much doubt any investors would be fine with cub porn if loli/shota is a no go. For me there is no difference, both are just drawings in the end and are not real. So it seems like a good idea to download all your favorites, before more stuff gets deleted.
This is a shitstorm for all parties involved.
Just taking a few seconds looking at the tags of items on the purge list, there's a ton of stuff getting killed because it's been tagged as loli or shota or even just humanoid when there's nothing human about it. Shitloads of Pokemon stuff has been nuked. And of course a bunch of stuff with the "flat chested" tag has been nuked because obviously if someone doesn't have DD's they're obviously children.
Oh and it only took like 10 seconds to figure this out by clicking random deleted images and checking the tags.
After a bit more checking they ABSOLUTELY just slapped "young" and then every variation of "human" and "humanoid" into the delete bot and said fuck it who gives a shit what gets tossed. And holy goddamn people don't have a fucking clue how to tag. Unless big tits and a bush make a character a loli. Maybe it did in the 10 pages of examples I found just searching those 2 tags, again no one will ever fucking know.
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screaming into the void
well, I write here quite rarely, but I still love this site very much) in any case, what happened yesterday was terrible and it makes me incredibly sad... but I hope that this change will fade away and everything will return back to normal in 2-3 years, not 10-20 years, as one admin said above(
dimoretpinel said:
Is feral bestiality content also likely to be purged, or is it safe?
Let us pray that it is not so
Meanwhile I will continue expanding my personal backup, download everything you can while you can
jacethehybrid said:
Or used it as a reference, and more. Depending on the state, It’s completely banned. If you ask me, anything depicting anyone not of age in such situations is at the very least morally fucked up.
You have literally favorited content that has canonically preteen (at best) characters. Doesn't matter if an artist aged them up and slapped some bigger breast on them. Furthermore, it was already stated that it doesn't violate the constitutional right. A state just can't magically go against what the US constitution states.
It's fine if you don't like something, but don't be a hypocrite and then start trying to insult people that don't agree with you.
Edit: Looks like you also favorited a version of Tails where he just had some hyper goo dropped on him. Beyond the "hyper" portion, nothing about him shows that he's an adult and actually 8 years old now. Or 12 depending on what time frame. Man. Definitely rocking them double standards.
Sonic 15
Tails 8
Knuckles 16
Silver 14
Amy 13
Cream 6
Blaze 14
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Explain how this is okay with no warning given at all. https://i.imgur.com/vJyBxOY.jpg
Not Like That
We Need N.S.F.W.
Fucking Censorship
God&Demon&Grim Reaper Bless Creative Freedom(Including N.S.F.W.)
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These comments would make an amazing feature film - I'd watch it. Where's me popcorn?
tsukiyomaruzero said:
FA still lives, but the pacing has been reduced by about 80% soon after their bigger change, then went back up, but never to 100%, only 70% at most. It's still very active, but mostly they went "Let's just not have underage characters here, you have an alt site to go to."
It's still so funny to me that 90% of FA's admins and founder are into cubs or more extreme kinks and yet Dragoneer banned cubs instead of treating the situation like Inkbunny lol
firno said:
Explain how this is okay with no warning given at all. https://i.imgur.com/vJyBxOY.jpg
NotMeNotYou already explained it (several times) that they weren't really given any time by the business partners. That it's better to purge all now, and then clean up later any that shouldn't had been removed.
Why can't there be better communication about this stuff instead of just instant deletion? Give people a chance to backup favorites at least.
somebody find the list of business partners and squeeze an answer out of them as to why they decided to screw things up here
Silver-lining of them going down the path of censorship this aggressively, is that they officialy started their site's self-destruct timer. More things will become censored quite rapidly which means losing more traffic and money. The nature of censoring is to have no limit on what can be withheld from others. So many sites have already proven this.
You also made the shot to your foot more severe, by the suprise attack approach of deleting posts, and not being honest with the reasons upfront. Prepare to go the way of Sankaku.
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Why can't there be better communication about this stuff instead of just instant deletion? Give people a chance to backup favorites at least.
Or at least give a download link of the deleted stuff in good faith. Or still delete them, but allow download for a limited amount of time for backup.
Yeah, this was handled pretty much horribly, i hope someone has a backup of at least all the stuff that was archived only here...
fluffypowersupreme said:
A slippery slope fallacy, as it says, applies when someone isn't taking into account the logical soundness of the predicted result, or avoids addressing the soundness of the original argument. Banning some forms of porn leading to banning other forms of porn isn't an illogical expectation, it's something we've seen happen a lot.
Yeah, this. In the eyes of those who want to ban porn, all porn is the same porn. They'll ask for a finger, and take the whole arm eventually. Already happened elsewhere.
giygas said:
Or at least give a download link of the deleted stuff in good faith. Or still delete them, but allow download for a limited amount of time for backup.Yeah, this was handled pretty much horribly, i hope someone has a backup of at least all the stuff that was archived only here...
Yeah, this. In the eyes of those who want to ban porn, all porn is the same porn. They'll ask for a finger, and take the whole arm eventually. Already happened elsewhere.
Deleted=/=Gone off of the database
Mods can still see and restore posts, they are not gone forever
This is the first nail in a coffin that will close on you very quickly. Idk what the real reason for this is, but it's pretty obvious it's not legal issues since this is a US based website and the US Supreme court has outright stated illicit drawings depicting minors in sexual acts are protected speech under the 1st Amendment in Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition (2002). So why are you lying? And more importantly once a porn site starts deciding some porn is too much porn and needs to be censored, especially when that porn is literal art people put a lot of effort int. It's not long until everything else isn't okay either and the site dies.
But keep this up and you'll destroy the trust of your community, particularly creators.
no balls.
In the wake of all this, does someone know of some software that at least also saves the tags of an image, without having to save the whole html?
ganto said:
The site apparently didn't have any issues talking about the (now vetoed) Arizona bill, but now naming laws that've hurt the integrity of the site is a no-go? It isn't like you're disclosing someone's private information.
Because there is no law. Drawn images depicting children in sexual situations is specifically protected free speech according to the US Supreme court in Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition (2002).
the7eye said:
Let us pray that it is not so
Meanwhile I will continue expanding my personal backup, download everything you can while you can
I know, right? It's common sense, always save, always backup, you can't just rely on the internet.
You get purges, you get artists who decide to delete all their stuff too. Nuh uh, not taking that risk, not anymore.
If you don't download your porn, do you really think you deserve to fap to it?
widecangang said:
Mind explaining why this is in your favs?
the rest of that niko pool being part of the purge adds a lot LMFAOOO
jacethehybrid said:
I don’t consider fiction characters real. I’m not fucking dumb. However in the US, Such images are still, at a federal fucking level, illegal. Ban. Cub.
No. Actually the opposite. They're expressly protected in the Supreme Court (Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition)
This is absolutely fucking awful. I don't know what law forced you to do this but we are living in a truly awful time for smut.
cool, i am fucking off.
bye, it was fun while it lasted
cowards
toradrow777 said:
OH SHIT!!! Etcexera's artwork! We need to save them before they're lost again!
Who? *curious!*
drghybrid said:
NotMeNotYou already explained it (several times) that they weren't really given any time by the business partners. That it's better to purge all now, and then clean up later any that shouldn't had been removed.
What business partners? Still confused why this happened, beyond that it’s not for legal reasons.
Wow this really makes me not want to use E621 very much anymore. I could mostly understand young non anthros (mind you a smaller but still relatively large group of people are STILL going to be REALLY MAD) but what do you possibly hope to accomplish with the latter change besides generating a huge backlash and a boycott? Guess I'll just stick to twitter, newgrounds, and pixiv to keep tabs on my favorite artists now, I suggest anyone else unhappy with the changes to do the same. BOYCOTT NOW.
hunter_35 said:
Drawings aren’t CP.
Not sure if this has already been replied to (I'm not scrolling through these comments anymore) but in quite a few places, even sketches, drawings, 3D models, etc. are indeed considered Child Abuse Material, and are just as illegal to own / produce / access / distribute as regular Child Abuse Material. In even fewer places this even includes non-human childlike characters as well (although the only example I can think of is France). I can understand that where you are they may not be considered so, for others (Including myself) they are. I believe this addition to most ACE laws exist to try and stop people from becoming pedos, and to stop pedos from avoiding jailtime / charges by accessing the fictional side of ACE material (I could be wrong regarding the reasoning though, as my area of expertise if in firefighting / fire and emergency law, not criminal law) I can understand why e621 made this change, but I do agree that a day or two of warning should have been given perhaps. But honestly, I don't think anyone is surprised this has happened.
nekophiliac said:
My guess is that the Card People pulled the reigns on Bad Dragon, and they in turn tightened the screws on the E621 staff.
What I find curious is that this happened within days of the cyber attack by SiegedSec against the Heritage Foundation, which happens to have many influential rich killjoys.
Interesting theory, I wouldn't be surprised if that's true
youngcub475 said:
Not sure if this has already been replied to (I'm not scrolling through these comments anymore) but in quite a few places, even sketches, drawings, 3D models, etc. are indeed considered Child Abuse Material, and are just as illegal to own / produce / access / distribute as regular Child Abuse Material. In even fewer places this even includes non-human childlike characters as well (although the only example I can think of is France). I can understand that where you are they may not be considered so, for others (Including myself) they are. I believe this addition to most ACE laws exist to try and stop people from becoming pedos, and to stop pedos from avoiding jailtime / charges by accessing the fictional side of ACE material (I could be wrong regarding the reasoning though, as my area of expertise if in firefighting / fire and emergency law, not criminal law) I can understand why e621 made this change, but I do agree that a day or two of warning should have been given perhaps. But honestly, I don't think anyone is surprised this has happened.
You are incorrect if you are living in USA... It is a constitutionally protected right to have loli shota and cub art in sexual content. The idea that this is to try and stop people from becoming pedos and to stop pedos is laughable as that is an extreme minority of lolisho and cub enjoyers.
