brayinggirl said:
Inkbunny's terms of service explicitly forbid any humans or human-like characters in sexual situations, construed very broadly.
https://wiki.inkbunny.net/wiki/ACP#Human_Characters

Anyone thinking this is an E621-specific problem is naive. Thinking whatever you select as your next alternative site is somehow immune to the same pressure mechanisms is equally so.

Good to see someone actually uses their head around here.

dba_afish said:
I mean, technically it's impossible for any fictional character or any drawing for that matter to consent to being sexualized.

Moral policing over fictional drawings is so terminally online level of stupid,also that person favorite feral cat x human which is even dumber.

notmenotyou said:
And last but not least, while this decision may have been rash, it does also allow us to protect things in the long run. As long as we aren't forced to purge the files from the server they will continue to stay there indefinitely with the hope that we can make them public again eventually. We already had to irreversibly purge too many as is, and this will at least protect the rest from that, even if we can't share them at the moment.

I'm curious as to what this is referring to. Is this related to what's happening now or just like overall takedowns?

vinitration said:
Pretty sure they'd technically fall under the cub/anthro exemption

Alright who wants to break it to him that a bunch of them got purged?

pecan said:
This is just straight up misinformation, lol. This purge only happened yesterday. That expunge list doesn't even go halfway down the first page before you get to items that were expunged before this even took place.

The purge felt like it was slowly happening before yesterday. There were a good boost in the number of young posts that were expunged starting this year compared to the last 5 years. I also noticed some of my young posts and others were expunged even before the announcement.

Edit: yeah I was wrong

Purge like expunged/destroyed or just normal purge the mods can still see the posts?

dimoretpinel said:
Purge like expunged/destroyed or just normal purge the mods can still see the posts?

there's a handful of destroyed posts that were young human content over the past week

I don't quite understand, everyone wants the images back and it's legal in most of the world, why do it?

furchee said:
The amount of idiots complaining without even reading the announcement properly blows my god damn mind.
The only thing that's more laughable than that is the "x is next, this just the beginning" comments.
Whinging all around as if they know the first thing about hosting content like this. :')

To be fair, the main issue was kinda danced around early on. Add to that that it was instantly done with no prior warning (but as I said earlier, it was most likely a "gun to the head" scenario, and luckily they still do have the post, so currently nothing is gone for good).

I do agree that it's a bit laughable to think that this is the end for loli/shota, and that others are next. It's like online manga, there'll ALWAYS be a site for it. Even Google can't get rid of it for good, and they tried. Half-assed, but they tried.

dimoretpinel said:
Purge like expunged/destroyed or just normal purge the mods can still see the posts?

Mods go off of whatever terminology they have (Forgot what they said)

Deleted means its not off of the database, mods can still see it
Destroyed means its fully wiped off of the database

Currently mods can see and restore any posts that were wiped out in this wave

dba_afish said:
there's a handful of destroyed posts that were young human content over the past week

This depresses me.

Wow, way to just bend over and just take it up the ass.

dimoretpinel said:
Purge like expunged/destroyed or just normal purge the mods can still see the posts?

Expunged and destroyed

Edit: yeah I’m wrong

dba_afish said:
anything that shows up under status:deleted still exists on the servers, it's just inaccessible by normal users.

As per also what NotMeNotYou said earlier, by deleting everything it also essentially protects it, as all deleted artworks still exist in the server - this way its like they have been super archived. Which I think more people need to realise as many appear to think that they are just gone forever.

The problem I see though is because people's livelihoods were threatened before, this may not even appease the people doing the threatening until it escalates? To have constant pressure from entire countries like the UK, EU and in some states in the US can't be healthy for long term stress. Especially as stated over the past 3-4 years things have been getting worse.

It was fun while it lasted to have the best site for Furry works because of the Tag what you see system. A lot of good work went into this place and its sad to see what the world has become like now, where people can't seem to tell the difference between fantasy and reality. I just hope there is an eventual light at the end of the tunnel, where all these controversies can finally come to an end and we can just go back to enjoying pictures of Anthro characters again drawn by our wonderful artists.

fendenner said:
Expunged and destroyed

Nope
https://e621.net/posts?tags=delreason%3A*purge*

This isn't gonna make the site look better in the eyes of politicians, this will just upset your existing userbase.

For anyone who wants to download their favorites, download gallery-dl and run this command in powershell

If your favorites are private, add this. API keys are here
-u "Username" -p "API Key"

watsit said:
I've never counted Princess Ruto (or Prince Sidon and other Zora) to be humanoid, and tag them anthro. Humanoid generally refers to human characters with minor deviations, like a tail or ears or tusks, whereas Zora generally are most fish-like with things like webbed digits, animals heads, and various fins around their body.

Huh, I've always thought it was "two legs, two arms, any missing because of deformities and amputations still count."

widecangang said:
Nope
https://e621.net/posts?tags=delreason%3A*purge*

some have been destroyed

the_mechaneer said:
Huh, I've always thought it was "two legs, two arms, any missing because of deformities and amputations still count."

humanoid is anything vaguely human-shaped that's not a human and not anthro, essentially.

eydankbirb said:
Moral policing over fictional drawings is so terminally online level of stupid,also that person favorite feral cat x human which is even dumber.

I'm just saying if people are going to get mad about kids they should get mad about ferals too, like the one in his icon. People trying to go "thank GAWD the WEIRDOS are gone" while defending animals make me confused.

Why dont e6 just region block the website from those problematic countries? Sure those users in those countries gets affected but they can use a vpn to circumvent that. Hell I've been watching region blocked animes on youtube by using vpn.

veruke_assault said:
And so is Inkbunny, and so is Wild Critters....

I really don't care that much about icky "Skinnies" with no Fluffy Fur and no Cute Animal Features....

https://e621.net/forum_posts/411668

As long as they LEAVE MY PRESHUS TAILS PRONZ ALONE, I don't really care too much....

I mean, e6 would ~NEVER~ pull an F.A. move and ban Tails Pr0nz.... right???

.....................

this is gonna be my last reply to you, but the way you pick out a single thing that i say, and then go and try to make it a whole different argument, is so unbelievably childish.

brayinggirl said:
Inkbunny's terms of service explicitly forbid any humans or human-like characters in sexual situations, construed very broadly.
https://wiki.inkbunny.net/wiki/ACP#Human_Characters

Anyone thinking this is an E621-specific problem is naive. Thinking whatever you select as your next alternative site is somehow immune to the same pressure mechanisms is equally so.

So... most of judy hopps, most of this whole website will dissapear?

808_cat said:
For anyone who wants to download their favorites, download gallery-dl and run this command in powershell

./gallery-dl.exe "https://e621.net/posts?tags=fav:username" -f "{id} {file[md5]}.{extension}" --write-tags -D "/path/to/download-directory"

If your favorites are private, add this. API keys are here
-u "Username" -p "API Key"

For some reason this isn't working for me in Powershell, but just fine with cmd.exe. Still, it's working and that's what matters. Thanks for posting this.

alostwizard said:
So... most of judy hopps, most of this whole website will dissapear?

I forgot completely about the Judy hopps drama. We're so done for

That's so far the dumbest change so far. I've heard the moderation of this website was bad, didn't expect it to be this bad for mods to be twittards.

brayinggirl said:
Inkbunny's terms of service explicitly forbid any humans or human-like characters in sexual situations, construed very broadly.
https://wiki.inkbunny.net/wiki/ACP#Human_Characters

Anyone thinking this is an E621-specific problem is naive. Thinking whatever you select as your next alternative site is somehow immune to the same pressure mechanisms is equally so.

So much for preservation.

karasstash said:
i guess allthefallen is about to get a big jump in traffic

Yep

Just delete everything to keep your sponsors.

What a stupid thing to do, loli is still perfectly legal, there's no reason at all to purge "humanoid" content if furry loli is still allowed.

e621signup said:
LMAO holy shit. At first I was like "finally, someone in this thread who isn't into kids" but I guess that's just too good to be true. This site is wild lol.

Ironically I didn’t see these posts before now. Thanks to the guy pointing them out (you know… because they got filtered by the blacklist after I favorited/liked them.). I favorite/like some things that *seem* safe, but later on they get tags added that change that without me knowing. I dunno why people don’t immediately add those tags, so the fact that I apparently have over 100 of those such posts favorited pisses me the fuck off. I wish I could easily purge such favorites and likes. There’s a reason why my profile picture is what it is…

Edit: actually, why is Mass Unfavorite/unlike Blacklisted not a button? If someone was being deliberately malicious and adding such tags to posts added to your favorites years before to specifically fuck with you, this would at least make it easy for people to fix the issue temporarily. Yo, mods, can we get something like this? I’m actually annoyed by these posts being on my favorites and likes, especially since I didn’t favorite them with the knowledge that they’d later get placed on my blacklist due to suddenly added information.

dimoretpinel said:
All this USA-specific left vs right talk is getting tiring. Moderators and other users have already pointed out that laws which affect this site’s accessibility exist outside of the United States.

Maybe move it to topic #45521 or something.

As this site is hosted in Arizona, USA, the laws of other countries have no influence on what it's allowed to host or its accessibility. And it's already been established that this rule change has nothing to do with laws anyway.

toradrow777 said:
If things get any worse, I'm thinking of moving to Canada.

canada is worse. try mexico.

faraddaay said:
What a stupid thing to do, loli is still perfectly legal, there's no reason at all to purge "humanoid" content if furry loli is still allowed.

loli is illegal in australia, i think

dba_afish said:
humanoid is anything vaguely human-shaped that's not a human and not anthro, essentially.

Good examples are Digimon, Renamon and Impmon are often considered humanoid just because of how they are designed.

It'll be kink next, like the paid sites. Then they'll be looking to monetize and dump porn altogether.

jacethehybrid said:
Ironically I didn’t see these posts before now. Thanks to the guy pointing them out (you know… because they got filtered by the blacklist after I favorited/liked them.). I favorite/like some things that *seem* safe, but later on they get tags added that change that without me knowing. I dunno why people don’t immediately add those tags, so the fact that I apparently have over 100 of those such posts favorited pisses me the fuck off. I wish I could easily purge such favorites and likes. There’s a reason why my profile picture is what it is… and used to be the “tag posts correctly” pic, before that got yeeted.

Not a single critical analysis of how you require an arbitrary string of text next to it to change your opinion of it, huh?

The biggest head scratcher of this whole ordeal is the artists I EXPECTED to get hit to oblivion like Piporette, Aogami, B-ern, e254e... All kings of "young humanoid with cat ears" came out completely unscathed from this but hark loses frames seemingly at complete random from an established 18+ characters comic of The Amazing World of Gumball.

itsukarine said:
Not a single critical analysis of how you require an arbitrary string of text next to it to change your opinion of it, huh?

While I'm not completely defending them, I also find that I no longer like certain images once specific lore implications are made known to me.

furchee said:
Good to see someone actually uses their head around here.

Yea, i was thinking of that, and inkbunny is known to have an softer moderation

werevertumorro said:
I don't quite understand, everyone wants the images back and it's legal in most of the world, why do it?

I don't really care about it one way or another, but I would like to say that a vocal minority is not "everyone". If everyone wanted that stuff on the site the global blacklist would likely not exist. Also in "most of the world" it is either illegal or legally ambiguous. Not a lot of countries in the world have made it explicitly legal, while still banning regular CP.

Funnily enough the US also bans it if it is considered "obscene".

dimoretpinel said:
Ahh, so it was the ads?

its always the ads

itsukarine said:
Not a single critical analysis of how you require an arbitrary string of text next to it to change your opinion of it, huh?

Because I don’t need to use any. The fact that they slipped by my damn blacklist because they were improperly tagged before is the issue for me. The issue is the fact that any depiction of a character who is underaged in sexual situations is just fucked in general. Ban cub.

jacethehybrid said:
Because I don’t need to use any. The fact that they slipped by my damn blacklist because they were improperly tagged before is the issue for me. The issue is the fact that any depiction of a character who is underaged in sexual situations is just fucked in general. Ban cub.

Instead of complaining, why don't you tag the posts yourself?
Also, your problem if you're so close-minded and mentally ill that you consider fictional characters the same as real people, not making the difference between fiction and reality.

theaestheticfur said:
Pedos and zoos are NOT welcomed in this community, so you guys might as well ban everything feral and cub, too. I am a freedom of speech guy, but these are gateway tools into illegal CSAM and animal porn material.

You crank it to animal women from children's games and media lets not get too comfortable on that high horse of yours

notmenotyou said:

What exactly is now forbidden?

Young humans and anything that looks vaguely like a young human in NSFW contexts. This includes plain humans, stylized humans like cartoon characters (The Simpsons, etc), elves, orcs, vampires, zombies, kemonomimi, humans with a few glued on animal features (noses, tails, ears, whiskers, etc.), and similar content.
Basically, if it mostly looks like a young human (even with stylistic or other small changes), it is no longer allowed.

This specific rule applies to almost half of the artwork that is posted here.

I want to know the exact amount of art that is lost because of this.

natanata said:
I'm just saying if people are going to get mad about kids they should get mad about ferals too, like the one in his icon. People trying to go "thank GAWD the WEIRDOS are gone" while defending animals make me confused.

You're actually right here.
If people got rid of what made furries furries, people would lose it.
I think comparing children to an animal thats the size of you (or larger) is laughable though.
A horse can kick you across a field if it dislikes you where a child cannot. Consent aside, it's probably a size thing.

I'll think you find that the point here is to move on rather than write up a four page essay about why you disagree with the move.

furchee said:
You're actually right here.
If people got rid of what made furries furries, people would lose it.
I think comparing children to an animal thats the size of you (or larger) is laughable though.
A horse can kick you across a field if it dislikes you where a child cannot. Consent aside, it's probably a size thing.

I'll think you find that the point here is to move on rather than write up a four page essay about why you disagree with the move.

And a drawing can't have feelings.

starmanof1 said:
This specific rule applies to almost half of the artwork that is posted here.

I want to know the exact amount of art that is lost because of this.

there were just under 45k posts deleted in the initial wave, with a significant portion of those likely to be restored.

dba_afish said:
there were just under 45k posts deleted in the initial wave, with a significant portion of those likely to be restored.

I just hope that this forces those that run the site to reverse the decision and not double down.

netimicky said:
And a drawing can't have feelings.

Drawings represent feelings though?
I think the point is so far above you its in space.

istricur said:
I just hope that this forces those that run the site to reverse the decision.

It's not their decision, it came from elsewhere. The only decision the admins had is: comply, or shut it all down.

istricur said:
I just hope that this forces those that run the site to reverse the decision and not double down.

They've said that they hope that one day they'll be able to restore it, when? Could be months, years, hell even a decade. (If this site hasn't been ran into the ground by then that is)

I still wonder why they haven't implemented a way that the "normie" not access the loli, shota and cub tags. Like hell atfbooru has the furry tag disabled automatically the moment you went to their website. Can't they just code that in on this website so that the "hardcore" tags are disabled to new users so all they see is adultxadult only? They have all the resources from BD and their sponsors. Either the website is a spaghetti to try to code that in, or they are too lazy to do it and always go for the easy/nuclear option. The reason why this is happening in the first place is because of the complaints from those normies because they get easy access to those content which grabbed the attention of either sponsor or the country (still don't which one because they keep changing the justification of purging loli/shota) that forced their hand to make a swift decision.

So much so for the "safe haven" of content on this website.

watsit said:
It's not their decision, it came from elsewhere. The only decision the admins had is: comply, or shut it all down.

I am suspicious that it was their decision since they never explained what changes forced them to do so and didn't care to do so.

istricur said:
I am suspicious that it was their decision since they never explained what changes forced them to do so and didn't care to do so.

"and while we were sitting pretty unaffected by most things, the same can't be said to a bunch of our business partners who did not appreciate the heat we attract." - Notmenotyou

Sad thing about this whole thing is people are going to move onto different websites that allow people to host these images, and it's going to get worse for those artists.
Why?

1. They lose a majority of traction from here.
2. They can't draw those specific artworks anymore if they want to post their images up here.
3. Either they stop drawing for this website specifically and just move on to a different website, which can make a lot of people who are fans of those people get angry at both the artist and the website.

Because it's not exactly good for the artist who draws these types of things to get banned from this website for drawing that and having to resort to other image hosting websites that could be worse than this. Yes, there are websites that are far worse than e621 that host images.
Ultimately, this situation is a lose-lose for everyone involved. The artists suffer, the fans are disappointed, and the platform's reputation takes a hit

Deleting my account. Goodbye forever...

widecangang said:
"and while we were sitting pretty unaffected by most things, the same can't be said to a bunch of our business partners who did not appreciate the heat we attract." - Notmenotyou

Yeah, if it was just to appeal to a bunch of normies that hate anime and furry content, then that's a bad buisness decision, not the result of changes in the political and legal environment.

furchee said:
You're actually right here.
If people got rid of what made furries furries, people would lose it.
I think comparing children to an animal thats the size of you (or larger) is laughable though.
A horse can kick you across a field if it dislikes you where a child cannot. Consent aside, it's probably a size thing.

I'll think you find that the point here is to move on rather than write up a four page essay about why you disagree with the move.

So... the ethicacy is determined by how hard it is to rape the real thing?.. Is that what you're saying? I don't understand what your point about the size and strength if animals is. Glad to see that this thread is still on fire and only deteriorating x_x

edit: srsly it sounds like youre saying "well a horse would kill me if i acted on my fantasies, but a kid couldn't do that to YOU if you acted on YOUR fantasies, weirdo!"

rocketsphynx said:
Why the hell are people going after ne when I simply posted the damned Law?

Contact your representatives, not me!

You didnt post the law. Again, you posted a law firms interpretation of the law. Theres very much a difference.

Alright I had a lot of info wrong, my bad. The posts from the purge will just stay status:deleted instead of just destroyed.

A lot of young human/humanoid were expunged prior before this though just this year and a couple days ago , most before the purge and some probably part of it.

At least they said they won’t be expunging any more going forward in the discord

furchee said:
Drawings represent feelings though?
I think the point is so far above you its in space.

One question for you since you're so smart. What's better, putting an actual pedophile in jail, or putting someone who jerked off a drawing of a characters that is not real?

user_1719851 said:
Deleting my account. Goodbye forever...

o/

jacethehybrid said:
Because I don’t need to use any. The fact that they slipped by my damn blacklist because they were improperly tagged before is the issue for me. The issue is the fact that any depiction of a character who is underaged in sexual situations is just fucked in general. Ban cub.

There are real life pedophiles going after real children, and you’re here pissing and shitting yourself over drawings of fictional characters.

istricur said:
I am suspicious that it was their decision since they never explained what changes forced them to do so and didn't care to do so.

Their business partners were getting increased pressure over their association with this site serving that kind of content, that's what changed. Those partners can't deal with the pressure anymore and threatened to pull their support if the stuff wasn't removed, and this site can't survive without their support.

The United States of America is a "free" country they said. (copium)

Man this is just outright hypocritical. It isn't against the law, nor to you to my knowledge have any investors or advertisers crying for the guillotine. I can only imagine that this is out of personal spite for the content not being 'Furry enough'.

gimsbery said:
Man this is just outright hypocritical. It isn't against the law, nor to you to my knowledge have any investors or advertisers crying for the guillotine. I can only imagine that this is out of personal spite for the content not being 'Furry enough'.

That would be quite ironic to remove it because it's "not furry enough", since they allow humans with cat ears on this website.

gimsbery said:
Man this is just outright hypocritical. It isn't against the law, nor to you to my knowledge have any investors or advertisers crying for the guillotine. I can only imagine that this is out of personal spite for the content not being 'Furry enough'.

Yeah...This won't end well neither them or the users on this site.

notmenotyou said:
Greetings!

We've got a doozy this time.
Due to challenges stemming from changes in the political and legal environment, both offline and online, we have had to adjust our content guidelines to preserve access to our site. As a result, any content featuring young human or humanoid characters in explicit situations is now prohibited and will be deleted. This change also applies retroactively, and we have already removed all existing submissions featuring such content.

As with all irrelevant content, we will not issue records for uploads that violate this policy; the content will simply be deleted.

Thank you for your understanding, as this was not an easy decision for us to make.

Sorry, but we really don't understand. No one understands this decision.