Topic: Alias and Implication voting forum.

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

sheath_chastity should implicate chastity_device, not alias it, as per guideline "You would not generally alias rectangle to square"

also urethral_beads should not alias with anal_beads as those are two different things

Can male_only be unaliased from male? It currently corrects to it making it seem impossible to search for photos with only males that don't only fall under male/male.

very old pending one line BURs

https://e621.net/forum_topics/26096?page=1#forum_post_288792 remove alias roller_skates (0) -> rollerskates (618)

https://e621.net/forum_topics/27270?page=1#forum_post_295704 remove alias ride (0) -> riding (2595)

https://e621.net/forum_topics/27722?page=1#forum_post_298549 remove alias milfcatty_(mortal_chocolate) (0) -> milfcatty_(kyaramerucocoa) (0)

https://e621.net/forum_topics/28054?page=1#forum_post_300787 change category mummy (841) -> species

https://e621.net/forum_topics/28072?page=1#forum_post_301096 remove implication after_vore (2915) -> vore (42746)

https://e621.net/forum_topics/28089?page=1#forum_post_301317 remove alias supernumerary_nipples (0) -> nipples (846548)

https://e621.net/forum_topics/28225?page=1#forum_post_302014 remove implication corpse (1816) -> death (11243)

https://e621.net/forum_topics/28433?page=1#forum_post_303277 remove alias pseudo_rape (0) -> questionable_consent (10982)

Updated by bitWolfy

topic #34845
pedophile - > invalid_tag

So far nothing but thumbs up.
As nom I obviously give my vote of a thumbs up for this but can't vote on your own requests

Edit:
Has been approved by bitWolfy

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* topic #34991: Tag alias: furugitsune -> koko_(kishibe) (9๐Ÿ‘ 0๐Ÿ˜‘ 0๐Ÿ‘Ž on 2022-09-20)

I think this one should be approved now. The reasons are sound (in my opinion!), it's had a month for discussion, and all responses so far have been positive. Can some nice moderator press the button and bring the tag into line with danbooru and word of creator?

Updated by bitWolfy

Ive got a few of my own that I think are solid enough:
topic #33765 Implies story tags to its base tag, while also moving them to the meta category.
topic #33769 finishes implying language tags to text UPDATED
[approved] topic #33766 implicates bad metadata tags to the base tag (just something that may be a little helpful)

  • topic #33694 just implying scp things to its base tags, pretty large. (updated slightly)

topic #33617 open_muzzle to open_mouth
topic #33548 paddy character disambiguation
BUR #2414 fix cigarette misspellings
topic #33325 Mario games implications

topic #33088 sobbing to crying alias, needs more discussion

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Why does "dragoness" now redirect to "dragon"? If the "dragoness" tag no longer exists it should be removed. Having it instead redirect to another tag with a different meaning is just confusing.

bronzie said:
Why does "dragoness" now redirect to "dragon"?

it pretty much always has done, gendered species tags (cow, mare, etc.) have been aliased to a gender-neutral tag since like 2015.

bronzie said:
If the "dragoness" tag no longer exists it should be removed.

we can't "remove" tags, aliasing them away to a better tag is all we can do, and it's honestly way better of a solution to whatever removing a tag would be.

bronzie said:
Having it instead redirect to another tag with a different meaning is just confusing.

well, dragon and dragoness really don't have that much of a difference, one's just a slightly more broad form of the other.

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bronzie said:
Why does "dragoness" now redirect to "dragon"? If the "dragoness" tag no longer exists it should be removed. Having it instead redirect to another tag with a different meaning is just confusing.

Because they don't have different meanings, and have been aliased together for at least 7 years (I would normally link to the alias page, but it's so old the date isn't even recorded).

Technically, you can make a tag invalid but that leads to people thinking you censored it. Common sense should have told OP to just add "female" tag to get the expected results (well, mostly). I mean, this is what I did when I first tried to search it on here.

bronzie said:
Why does "dragoness" now redirect to "dragon"? If the "dragoness" tag no longer exists it should be removed. Having it instead redirect to another tag with a different meaning is just confusing.

Because removing it would be only temporary. The next user who tags dragoness (and there will be one) will just recreate the tag, which will cause the next user to think it's okay to tag, leaving us with a clutter of dragonesses. Since we don't tag specific gendered forms of species (dragoness, stallion, sow, drake, etc.) as that would cause both tag bloat and confusion (just think how many unrelated species could have the female tagged a 'doe': deer, squirrels, antelope, rabbits, hares, kangaroos if you're not using flyer) and could never be complete (what do we call a male Lombax? an andromorph mouse? a random genderless eldritch abomination?), we alias them away to the closest applicable tag. As all dragonesses are dragons no matter what, they're aliased to that. The only difference in meaning is that dragonesses are specifically female dragons whereas dragons in general come in all the gender tags. If you want to find dragonesses, you can search dragon female in the search box. It streamlines the whole physical sex+species search routine tremendously.

bitWolfy

Former Staff

wat8548 said:
Because they don't have different meanings, and have been aliased together for at least 7 years (I would normally link to the alias page, but it's so old the date isn't even recorded).

I'm so fascinated by people who come to the forums to complain about changes made half a decade ago.
Can's help but wonder how that happened โ€“ because it keeps happening again and again.

  • Did they use a different site where this tag is allowed, and assumed it was also the case here?
  • Did they use the tag before here, and just never realized that it also returned male dragons?
  • Did they fall into a coma for 7 years and had only just woken up?

bitwolfy said:
I'm so fascinated by people who come to the forums to complain about changes made half a decade ago.
Can's help but wonder how that happened โ€“ because it keeps happening again and again.

It's probably akin to the well-known phenomenon experienced in retail wherein customers prove incapable of reading and comprehending signs posted right in front of their faces and also are ignorant of store policies that have been in place for the many years the customers allege they've been using the place.

Unsure of how voting works, Hope I'm not messing things up

Thou a "horrible" tag is mostly subjective, I kinda like the idea, if the tag were used responsably and with some frequency

Seems neat to just add a single tag to your blacklist and know you won't be traumatized by some gross stuff that sliped throught your defenses

The problem is that most "horrible" stuff already have tags of their own, and it would be easy for the tag to be abused and people just start tagging fetishes they don't like

So I don't know

Here's some aliases I found that can be closed quickly.
Easy reject
topic #20437 social nudity > casual nudity. OP later concedes that the tags are different.
topic #20873 candy_cotton > kandy_kotton. Unused mistag for cotton_candy trying to be aliased to a character name.
topic #23128 implied_cannibalism > invalid_tag

Easy accept
topic #21396 bodypillow > body_pillow
topic #21400 underneath > worm's-eye_view
topic #21639 woman_on_top > female_on_top
topic #24784 pictures > photo

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stitch_the_snitch said:
Unsure of how voting works, Hope I'm not messing things up

Thou a "horrible" tag is mostly subjective, I kinda like the idea, if the tag were used responsably and with some frequency

Seems neat to just add a single tag to your blacklist and know you won't be traumatized by some gross stuff that sliped throught your defenses

The problem is that most "horrible" stuff already have tags of their own, and it would be easy for the tag to be abused and people just start tagging fetishes they don't like

So I don't know

nightmare_fuel, what, what_has_science_done, where_is_your_god_now and why are probably the closest things you'll find to that.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/35049
Bumping my own thread here since I think it's worth discussing (especially for people who like to filter animal genitalia in one way or another), and it hasn't had many votes (1 up 1 down atm)

I'll emphasize this one key point here too: 'the first sentence of the anatomically_correct_genitalia wiki page states that it applies to "A character with animal genitalia that matches the character's species."'

Bumping my topic: https://e621.net/forum_topics/31198

Because we're not gonna retrain our users on this site's definition of scat, and even some moderators arent aware on the distinction for scat vs feces. Additionally it has all upvotes on the topic.

topic #35464 alias jack-n'-lantern -> penetrating_pumpkin
0 score

jack-n'-lantern was a tag i made last halloween for art that has character humping jack-o'-lanterns (or pumpkins in general) and i made it using the informal sex_positions tags as a template, but keeping in-line with the more specific, straight-forward and unambiguous approach to tag names that i admittedly should've token when first creating the tag, i decided to make this alias request

(also in the thread watsit mentioned a bunch of art of characters getting penetrated by pumpkins that was in the tag that wouldn't fit in the new verbiage, so i made a distinct penetrated_by_pumpkin tag and immediately ported a bunch of art to that new tag after seeing their post)

topic #28484 - imply pantsless -> clothed (5๐Ÿ‘ / 0๐Ÿ˜ / 0๐Ÿ‘Ž)

Would be nice to not have to remember to manually add the clothed tag.

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Approvals

These are all open suggestions for approval that are unanimously or majority up voted and have been open for at least two months.

Aliases and Implications

  • topic #34846 (4 ๐Ÿ‘) - wasp waist is an extra small subset of small waist
  • topic #34247 (6 ๐Ÿ‘) - mouth_focus should be a separate tag from mouth_shot, there are posts that focus on the mouth without it taking up the whole image
  • topic #32709 (4 ๐Ÿ‘ 1 ๐Ÿ‘Ž ) - belly_stuffing is redundant, stuffing is the tag for characters overeating ("stuffing their belly")
  • topic #32658 (8 ๐Ÿ‘) - "athletic wear" is a broader and more inclusive tag name than "gym clothing"

Small BURs (1-4 lines)

  • topic #34747 (7 ๐Ÿ‘) - "voreception" is a an extremely dated meme name, recursive vore is a descriptive term, recursive_vore inherently implies vore
  • topic #35534 (6 ๐Ÿ‘) - aliasing away some duplicate tags and implying pred_pov/prey_pov to first_person_view
  • topic #32347 (9 ๐Ÿ‘) - logical implications and aliases involving legs

Large BURs (4+ lines)

  • topic #32889 (4 ๐Ÿ‘) - all of these tags should imply body_writing (open for 9 months)
  • topic #35026 (4 ๐Ÿ‘) - burping related tags that should imply burping
  • topic #35709 (8 ๐Ÿ‘) - aliasing redundant mobian_(animal) tags to the normal species tags
  • topic #35535 (4 ๐Ÿ‘) - aliasing redundant interspecies tags
  • topic #32134 (5 ๐Ÿ‘ 2 ๐Ÿ˜) - all of these tags should imply belly
  • topic #34251 (3 ๐Ÿ‘) - all of these tags describe a body part being used to crush something/someone, they should imply crush
"Priority" Approvals

These all fix on-going tagging issues, mostly caused by bad implications or aliases, have been open for six months or more, and have over a dozen up votes

  • topic #33834 (13 ๐Ÿ‘) (6 mo.) - extreme size difference is a clearer, more accurate tag than micro on macro, micro_on_macro also has tag muddying implications
  • topic #33991 (17 ๐Ÿ‘) (6 mo.) - small BUR removing the implication of GILF/GMILF -> older_female, the existing implication makes no sense
  • topic #33010 (14 ๐Ÿ‘) (8 mo.) - the topic goes in detail, but curvaceous (see previous versions) should have never implied voluptuous, and the implication causes mistagging to this day
  • topic #32984 (17 ๐Ÿ‘) (8 mo.) - tags describing a colour or pattern on a character's belly shouldn't imply belly
  • topic #29837 (15 ๐Ÿ‘) (1 yr.) - huge_belly should be unaliased from hyper_belly, bellies should have the same levels of scale as other body parts (e.g. huge breasts)
  • topic #29866 (16 ๐Ÿ‘ 3 ๐Ÿ˜ 3 ๐Ÿ‘Ž ) (1 yr.) - there's no good reason a character from a popular series should have an extremely long joke name, this tag is so long that it apparently causes bugs in e621's interface

(Fixed this post because it was a total mess)

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Reject

And here's a follow-up with some suggestions that are easy rejects, most of which have been open for years:

  • topic #14070 (7 ๐Ÿ‘Ž 5 ๐Ÿ˜ 2 ๐Ÿ‘) (6 yrs.) - a character can be presenting their anus in a close up shot, where most of their butt isn't visible
  • topic #9979 (5 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) (3 yrs.) - a character can hold or have their belly held with appendages other than hands
  • topic #28072 (12 ๐Ÿ‘Ž 5 ๐Ÿ˜ 3 ๐Ÿ‘) (2 yrs.) - after vore implies vore because in most cases, there's no question that a character has consumed another, and the consumed characters have left the predator's body or have died
  • topic #28834 (7 ๐Ÿ‘Ž 1 ๐Ÿ‘) (2 yrs.) - This would lead to a lot of mistags, fatal vore is frequently added to posts where the character is facing imminent death, rather than having already died
  • topic #33840 (3 ๐Ÿ‘Ž 3 ๐Ÿ˜) - this implication suggestion was a mistake, the OP hasn't fixed it in six months and there's no sign they've been active on the forum since
  • topic #34514 (4 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - this BUR is a mess, includes irrelevant tags, easy rejection

Needs More Discussion/Votes

These would be easy approvals, but the majority opinion has been ๐Ÿ˜ or there are few or no votes.

  • topic #35279 (2 ๐Ÿ‘) - BUR implying multiple (object/bodypart)_between_breasts tags to between_breasts
  • topic #35621 (no votes) - Tags describing (mostly) macro characters interacting with various objects, implying the object and the action tags (e.g. implying holding_vehicle to vehicle and holding_object)
  • topic #34997 (2 ๐Ÿ‘ 4 ๐Ÿ˜ 1 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - cock vore doesn't mean the character's penis will always be visible, the implication shouldn't exist, not sure why there are so many ๐Ÿ˜, no feedback explaining the votes

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1) Inflation implication BUR

  • 8 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž

(4 months ago)

2) Underwear_only implication BUR

  • 13 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž

(12 months ago)

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3) alias soiled_diaper->messy diaper

  • 5 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 1 ๐Ÿ‘Ž

(8 months ago)

4) Miscelaneous BUR

  • 5 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž

(2 years ago)

2 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž
(less than 1 week ago)

5) Scat related BUR

  • 13 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 1 ๐Ÿ‘Ž

(1 year ago)

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Approve (or discuss some more)

Just one that's had over a month with no discussion or movement:

  • topic #35994 (1 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - cute character has a proper name now

It's officially AIBUR hunting season at e621! We're reviving this topic.

Please try to prioritize simple and uncontroversial requests that can be approved or rejected without too much consideration. Provide your opinion and start a discussion where necessary.

Remember to leave votes, it helps.

Going through my pending stuff...

forum #340266 - Remove a couple redundant vaginal_penetration implications. Should be just fine to approve.

topic #36123 - Imply collaborative_sex -> group_sex - I thought it was straightforward until someone pointed out multi_head characters. I'm not sure if they should count as collaborative, except maybe ones that are plainly separate personalities per head. I'm far from an expert on that though. Figured I'd put it here for at least so others might weigh in.

(Bumping thread because i believe it's a somewhat important one. So many posts involved with these mistags.)

* BUR #2163 | topic #32816 - Approve, removing alias from "daddy" and "mommy" tags. [24 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 1 ๐Ÿ‘Ž]

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topic #29816 (9 ๐Ÿ‘ 3 ๐Ÿ˜ 2 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) Pokemon hybrid aliases. I don't think there should be much room for discussion since they're fan hybrid names, of which plenty have been aliased away already in both Pokemon and elsewhere. Still seeing them tagged on occasion.

As I wait for judgment on that Digimon BUR (on the previous page. Seriously, any feedback, any species I don't know about, would be helpful in this)
I have two more

topic #34648 for Chaosdramon (Another Digimon. Someone got to it before me) APPROVED! Thank you!

topic #34565 for Jewelpet characters, and to fix a copyright issue. 2๐Ÿ‘, 6 months old

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I've got a few that seem mostly non-controversial

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Resubmitting my topic for consideration.
topic #34448 (2 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - implicates all the tales games to the tales series tag, as well as the series to bandai namco and some characters to their respective games.

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I have a couple older ones pending that were pretty much uncontroversial:

topic #32377 (7 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Sheath implications, mostly colors

topic #32353 (5 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 1 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Implying characters from Gunfire Reborn to their IP and removing the IP suffix from a couple since they have unique names. The person who downvoted didn't comment but it may have been because this BUR used to include an implication to video_games, it doesn't anymore of course.

topic #32416 (6 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Implying all the [color]_blush tags to blush. Someone commented that maybe pink_blush and red_blush shouldn't be included, but when I asked on the discord someone else (not a staff member though) said since there are two most common colors and not just one, they should have valid tags, like red_tongue and pink_tongue do. Anybody else have input?

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Here are some interesting requests Iโ€™ve found from the past months that could use some attention:

[PENDING] topic #29564 (4 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) โ€” Neckwear and Neckgear BUR
[PENDING] topic #30959 (6 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) โ€” Implying cum_on_command to orgasm_command
[APPROVED] topic #34798 (1 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) โ€” Bad Dragon BUR
[PENDING] topic #35550 (6 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) โ€” Sex Toys BUR

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topic #36779 (18 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Making pogchamp a copyright tag like all other memes and implying it to meme
topic #36323 (8 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Implying Skyrim characters to skyrim, implying a few characters and species that appear in multiple TES games to the_elder_scrolls. Also deals with lifts-her-tail and lusty_argonian_maid.
topic #36726 (7 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Alias winged_cat -> domestic_cat
topic #36407 (7 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Imply blind -> disability
topic #32982 (4 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Implying Doctor Who characters and species to their IP and standardizing the tags for the Doctor's regenerations

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  • [self rejected] topic #35632 leash and collar implies collar 3 ๐Ÿ‘
    • main tag has been moved to leashed collar

topic #35461 mtg species-character thing should imply mtg

we STILL need a better name, like leashed_collar

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topic #28375 (21 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) - Unaliasing "cub_on_cub" from "cub", with suggestions to instead alias "cub_on_cub" to "young_on_young" since that tag has since been in circulation.

Bringing this up because I had to search the forums in order to find an acceptable alternative to "cub_on_cub".

So... uh, as it turns out, 3 months ago, we unaliased latex from rubber, and literally NO ONE thought to reimply the tags to the things to the other things

Needs more discussion on overall stance of Latex/Rubber.
topic #37375
Latex BUR

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Some BURs Iโ€™ve made a few months ago:

[PENDING] topic #36555 (9 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) โ€” Light color BUR
[PENDING] topic #35879 (8 ๐Ÿ‘ 0 ๐Ÿ˜ 0 ๐Ÿ‘Ž) โ€” Cryptid BUR

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