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The tag alias #57156 soiled_diaper -> messy_diaper has been rejected.
Reason: they mean the same thing, the alias can go either way, though I created it like this cause messy diaper has more posts tagged with it than soiled diaper
EDIT: The tag alias soiled_diaper -> messy_diaper (forum #331968) has been rejected by @scaliespe.
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Oh boy, more diaper tags.
Thing is, soiled_diaper currently implies messy_diaper. There is no reason provided.
I can't really see situations where the two terms would have different meanings. Although, given the subject matter, I did not look too hard.
So looking at its equivalent to normal clothing, there is a messy_pants/messy_underwear tags, but no soiled variant, and it doesn't make sense for this to have a messy and soiled tag nevermind, they exist, but they have like, 3/4 posts, and should probably be aliased anyway,
alias soiled_underwear -> messy_underwear
because the latter already has aliases, and implications linked, and the other doesn't, so doing it this way prevents transitives. though i dont blame you for not looking too hard due to the subject matter lol.
bitwolfy said:
Oh boy, more diaper tags.Thing is, soiled_diaper currently implies messy_diaper. There is no reason provided.
I can't really see situations where the two terms would have different meanings. Although, given the subject matter, I did not look too hard.
That’s weird. Maybe it was done as an implication rather than an alias by accident?
Interesting that the wiki for messy_diaper specifies feces, where soiling is feces or urine, yet an implication is still in place.
I'd say we just merge it all into one tag at this point and broadening the scope - since the implication has already added messy_diaper to everything.
bitwolfy said:
Oh boy, more diaper tags.Thing is, soiled_diaper currently implies messy_diaper. There is no reason provided.
I can't really see situations where the two terms would have different meanings. Although, given the subject matter, I did not look too hard.
I guess the thinking behind this implication is that messy diaper may contain sperm, saliva and other substances (melted crayons...) as well as feces and urine – considering the messy wiki. Soiled diaper would thus always be messy, but not necessarily vice versa.
In some cases, like hair and fur, messy can also mean just disorganized (as opposed to cleanly combed into proper shape).
urielfrys said:
I guess the thinking behind this implication is that messy diaper may contain sperm, saliva and other substances (melted crayons...) as well as feces and urine – considering the messy wiki. Soiled diaper would thus always be messy, but not necessarily vice versa.In some cases, like hair and fur, messy can also mean just disorganized (as opposed to cleanly combed into proper shape).
If it contained sperm or saliva, the diaper would be wet.
You're right on the 'melted crayons' example though. One could put play-dough, oatmeal, jello, anything that ain't fluid but that isn't solid either.
For cases like above, I believe dirty_diaper would be more fitting than messy, if it was unaliased and updated on the wiki, but a lot of mistagging might occur.
To the best of my knowledge, 90% of diaperfurs refeer to messy_diaper in the bodily-things way.
That being said... after looking through a few pages of pics with the diaper or diaper_fetish tag, ignoring the ones with cum, I only found very few that might make you think "That diaper is messy but it's not soiled", so aliasing soiled->messy doesn't feel like an issue right now.
With these pics in mind, I think the proposed alias by the OP is still a good call.
Any other needs that arise can be resolved by creating yet another more specific tag like filling_diaper, (stuff)_in_diaper, (stuff)_on_diaper, and then in the future we can just alias/implicate stuff as these tags become used, or something like that.
We already have cum_on_diaper and waterlogged_diaper, for example.
bitwolfy said:
Oh boy, more diaper tags.Thing is, soiled_diaper currently implies messy_diaper. There is no reason provided.
I can't really see situations where the two terms would have different meanings. Although, given the subject matter, I did not look too hard.
There can be situations where they do have different meanings. But for diaper tagging purposes, aliasing both and creating more specific tags when needed is easier, I believe.
cutefox123 said:
The tag alias #57156 soiled_diaper -> messy_diaper has been rejected.Reason: they mean the same thing, the alias can go either way, though I created it like this cause messy diaper has more posts tagged with it than soiled diaper
messy diaper implicates feces and soiling, and unless we get rid of that implication and broaden the tags use, soiled diaper would be a better tag name
just bumping this one up because it's still unresolved. "messy diaper" is slightly ambiguous language but 99% of the time someone is going to use that for "soiling" and we have specific niche tags for other scenarios (as mentioned above). you can compare it to how "wet diaper" is technically ambiguous language but 99% of the time someone will use it meaning urine, and the remaining edge cases can have their tags fixed later with more niche tags. considering we already use "soiling" specifically for feces, i'd reverse this alias and make it so messy diaper a-> soiled diaper.
See topic #39182 for the reverse direction
An additional benefit is that it would fit the names along its implication chain (soiling_diaper -> soiled_diaper -> soiling)
The tag alias soiled_diaper -> messy_diaper (forum #331968) has been rejected by @scaliespe.
