flowrfalln said:
Neither are fictional characters though, it’s arbitrary

Welcome to law and politics.

watsit said:
[…] When you're dealing with sensitive legal operations, you don't go blabbing publicly about it without an okay from your own legal team. The fact that they're still cagey about details suggests they aren't at liberty to divulge much.

Does e621 even have a legal team? NotMeNotYou is the only paid employee that I know of.

Maybe Dragonfru.it does?

watsit said:
We don't know what they were told, what they were allowed to say even if a suspicion grew. Back when those posts were being expunged, they were pretty quiet on details, which makes it seem like they had to be quiet. When you're dealing with sensitive legal operations, you don't go blabbing publicly about it without an okay from your own legal team. The fact that they're still cagey about details suggests they aren't at liberty to divulge much.

Were all of these expunged posts expunged just after being uploaded? Were they by the same author/same uploader/group of people? Asking because I'm wondering if 'illegal content' could somehow embedded in the expunged posts, then this suddenly makes A LOT of sense. (It's possible to hide files inside of images, including other image files).

This is just me speculating, probably not the case.

vore was joined with furries before the internet existed. I know cause I was there and was a vore fan before furry. Anyway, young prey was the default for vore in media in those times. It was rare that prey was adult in media. But vore wasn't seen as necessarily sexual. So getting off on a toad monster eating a power ranger kid wasn't sexual. It just was exciting in that way. But a lot of furries came from that kind of horse or frog or snake eating kid thing. Or Zazu in a mouth. I would say before most furries realized the power of web, a largely significant number of furries on it liked young prey vore. The web was one of the only ways to draw them together. So I would say young humans in this way is fundamentally and historically linked to furries on the internet. As far as any other activities, I don't really know when they got linked with furries. So if human young prey with feral pred is wiped, early furry internet history is being erased.

styxghost said:
seriously starting to lose it

lines on paper, pixels on a screen, nothing real, yet people treat it as it were, and ultra hypocritcally enough, only about select content
drug? a-okay, nothing to see here, is but fiction
violence? a-okay, nothing to see here, is but fiction
gore? a-okay, nothing to see here, is but fiction
torture? a-okay, nothing to see here, is but fiction
rape? a-okay, nothing to see here, is but fiction
young looking character? reeeee!! get it banned! reeee! think of the children! reeeee! protect the children! reeeee!

yea, i'm greatly exaggerating the trait here, but that's the idea how hypocritically selective people are

*Sigh* This guy is absolutely correct and it really depresses me to see this hypocrisy... I literally feel this site is starting to echo of "First they came ..." but not THAT depressing, and with furry porn

suhnny said:
vore was joined with furries before the internet existed. I know cause I was there and was a vore fan before furry. Anyway, young prey was the default for vore in media in those times. It was rare that prey was adult in media. But vore wasn't seen as necessarily sexual. So getting off on a toad monster eating a power ranger kid wasn't sexual. It just was exciting in that way. But a lot of furries came from that kind of horse or frog or snake eating kid thing. Or Zazu in a mouth. I would say before most furries realized the power of web, a largely significant number of furries on it liked young prey vore. The web was one of the only ways to draw them together. So I would say young humans in this way is fundamentally and historically linked to furries on the internet. As far as any other activities, I don't really know when they got linked with furries. So if human young prey with feral pred is wiped, early furry internet history is being erased.

Wow, a pre-internet furry! The furry demographic is usually younger than that. That's a very interesting comment about vore, but *ctrl+f vore* nobody else was talking about vore?

crocogator said:
Wow, a pre-internet furry! The furry demographic is usually younger than that. That's a very interesting comment about vore, but *ctrl+f vore* nobody else was talking about vore?

My post was about young humans. Vore is why young humans came on the scene with furries. Young human is the topic of the thread

crocogator said:
Wow, a pre-internet furry! The furry demographic is usually younger than that. That's a very interesting comment about vore, but *ctrl+f vore* nobody else was talking about vore?

The subject of his anecdote was actually young humans and their involvement in the furry fandom.
As a response to those claiming young human characters shouldn't be a part of it.

dimoretpinel said:
Does e621 even have a legal team? NotMeNotYou is the only paid employee that I know of.

Maybe Dragonfru.it does?

Dragon Fruit or Bad Dragon does. At least, they'd provide legal aid as needed since they own e6, whether it be from an in-house lawyer or one they hired when they got contacted by law enforcement.

kyiiel said:
Were all of these expunged posts expunged just after being uploaded? Were they by the same author/same uploader/group of people?

Not as far as I know.

suhnny said:
My post was about young humans. Vore is why young humans came on the scene with furries. Young human is the topic of the thread

Oh, got it!

Why not just bite the bullet and just ban ALL cub content? genuinely what's the difference between that and human loli/shota?

based that we're at least getting this, but still... seems like a half-step more than anything :/

psisushi said:
Why not just bite the bullet and just ban ALL cub content? genuinely what's the difference between that and human loli/shota?

based that we're at least getting this, but still... seems like a half-step more than anything :/

what makes it based? explain yourself

I've been going through some of the deleted posts that still have functional source links and the short and/or small breasts = young, tag what you see arguments are going to be a perpetual shitshow because of this.
It's gonna be the gender tagging arguments all over again only more severe because now the consequences are deletion instead of just hurt feelings.

azazelj said:
Also FYI, hi, socialist, no. The people badgering websites like e6 and etc about this are the conservative types who want to police every aspect of our lives.

The opinions of twitter users does not matter in the real world because they are twitter users, they annoy me just as much, but don't delusionally blame a party who has literally no power at all in this situation.

I wish you were correct, but sadly it seems a lot of socialists have went down the twitter "progressive" anti route than the reasonable libertarian-left "what you do in the bed room between consenting adults is your business" type of socialist

"I have no idea what you are talking about.
I don't believe I've seen staff members do any of that.
Could you provide some examples?"

Don't feign ignorance of the situation, Cinder... you know exactly which staffers we are all referring to...

And they seem to take a high degree of pleasure in being incredibly petty, as well as deliberately abusing the power that comes with their status.

What's that old saying? "Give a bully a badge and they will think every citizen they encounter is a criminal."

Except in this case, there's no badges or billy clubs... but they're still smug bullies with not a whole lot of empathy to spare.

Personal moral attitudes (and a misinterpretation of the Law) should never influence an officer's decisions when they are dealing with an individual or the general public. It would look quite strange to the general public if an officer detained a citizen for something that actually wasn't illegal or disruptive to the peace. Like filming on public property...

An officer who gleefully and smugly throws their power around is very clearly corrupt and not really worthy of their badge. And going into a situation with the immediate assumption that the other person is 100% guilty leads to problems in communication and the professional handling of that situation. Naturally, a person who feels that they are being unlawfully detained will try to resist.

(this is a metaphor, you may interpret it as you wish).

watsit said:
[…] or one they hired when they got contacted by law enforcement.

Hold on, when did that happen?

Did moderators mention law enforcement in this thread, or was it part of something else?

sissyfox said:
One more post
But if we can take anything political from this, its that the power of capitalism to corrode and destroy artistic expression is absolute. This happened because the people with the money are the ones who control what art is and isn’t okay according to their own morals. Welcome to the free market, where you’re free to enslave yourself to whichever corporation you happen to fall under!

Based and true!

nikolover said:
[stuff answering other posts]

Can we like, not pull up political affiliations in this thread again

ayylmao0906 said:
what makes it based? explain yourself

idk man I think porn made specifically to appeal to people attracted to minors is kinda cringe :P

does anyone have a link to ATF? google is giving me the gov agency

psisushi said:
idk man I think porn made specifically to appeal to people attracted to minors is kinda cringe :P

✨Use your blacklist then ✨

fur_mech said:
does anyone have a link to ATF? google is giving me the gov agency

Google "All The Fallen booru" instead

dimoretpinel said:
Hold on, when did that happen?

Did moderators mention law enforcement in this thread, or was it part of something else?

The law is involved in some way, along with business partners. We don't know the specifics, who's getting heat how where and why, and likely never will be fully filled in.

psisushi said:
idk man I think porn made specifically to appeal to people attracted to minors is kinda cringe :P

If your objective is to avoid cringe, posting on e621 is not likely the most successful path

dimoretpinel said:
Can we like, not pull up political affiliations in this thread again

I mean it's kinda inevitable considering it's e6 shilling out to private interests and companies that are more concerned with profit rather than staying true to it's initial intentions.

Pretend all you want it doesn't have a political dimension but it does.

wasn't a fan of this kind of stuff, but seeing e6 bow to censors isn't exactly reassuring.

fur_mech said:
does anyone have a link to ATF? google is giving me the gov agency

https://www.allthefallen.moe/

You’re probably after the Booru part

flowrfalln said:
https://www.allthefallen.moe/

You’re probably after the Booru part

thx

Uh oh, no more Gawr Gura

psisushi said:
idk man I think porn made specifically to appeal to people attracted to minors is kinda cringe :P

You're being presumptuous. What people enjoy in porn doesn't necessarily match what they would enjoy in real life, and that's probably particularly true for people who opt to view *furry* porn, which is markedly removed from reality. Do you really think the vore fanatics actually want to get eaten? Furthermore, aegosexuality (basically, being asexual, but still enjoying porn) is a thing, further demonstrating a disconnect between porn preferences and real-life preferences. Also, a subset of the loli/shota fans like to self-insert as the *young* character.

crocogator said:
You're being presumptuous. What people enjoy in porn doesn't necessarily match what they would enjoy in real life, and that's probably particularly true for people who opt to view *furry* porn, which is markedly removed from reality. Do you really think the vore fanatics actually want to get eaten? Furthermore, aegosexuality (basically, being asexual, but still enjoying porn) is a thing, further demonstrating a disconnect between porn preferences and real-life preferences. Also, a subset of the loli/shota fans like to self-insert as the *young* character.

IKR, Like, how is this hard to understand?

crocogator said:
You're being presumptuous. What people enjoy in porn doesn't necessarily match what they would enjoy in real life, and that's probably particularly true for people who opt to view *furry* porn, which is markedly removed from reality. Do you really think the vore fanatics actually want to get eaten? Furthermore, aegosexuality (basically, being asexual, but still enjoying porn) is a thing, further demonstrating a disconnect between porn preferences and real-life preferences. Also, a subset of the loli/shota fans like to self-insert as the *young* character.

I’d argue it’s way more than a subset; it feels like a majority.
At minimum, the people on the “old” side are ashamed to talk about it. I know it’s very hard for me to discuss it, and I’ve seen plenty more “I wish she were me” comments under loli than I’ve seen remarks like “cute butthole lmao”.

crocogator said:
You're being presumptuous. What people enjoy in porn doesn't necessarily match what they would enjoy in real life, and that's probably particularly true for people who opt to view *furry* porn, which is markedly removed from reality. Do you really think the vore fanatics actually want to get eaten? Furthermore, aegosexuality (basically, being asexual, but still enjoying porn) is a thing, further demonstrating a disconnect between porn preferences and real-life preferences. Also, a subset of the loli/shota fans like to self-insert as the *young* character.

I've seen a discord support group where many do this self-insert as young thing. Many were actual victims and gain a sense of agency from it. One of them writes fiction of it and her therapist sees it as healthy for her. Many assumptions in these areas are ignorant of psychology and real victim coping strategies to these things

crocogator said:
Also, a subset of the loli/shota fans like to self-insert as the *young* character.

from what I've seen, it actually seems a grand majority of people in the cub community have young/cub 'sonas.

honestly that's what's making me the most upset about this change, the fact that several people's sonas/OCs are now no longer allowed really sucks.

Good.

suhnny said:
I've seen a discord support group where many do this self-insert as young thing. Many were actual victims and gain a sense of agency from it. One of them writes fiction of it and her therapist sees it as healthy for her. Many assumptions in these areas are ignorant of psychology and real victim coping strategies to these things

This is a very real thing.

I want to share my personal experiences on the subject, but I fear trauma dumping on a porn site would remove too much of my anonymity here.

I just need people here to know I’m definitely one of those "coping".

https://baraag.net/invite/fXYmWSGi

Since Baraag has been mentioned a few times and the moderation here seems to be warm to pointing people elsewhere in general, here's an invite url for anyone who wishes to join, as we're always willing to welcome artists and their supporters.
Of course, Baraag and most of the Fediverse it's connected to are not Boorus, but Twitter-like social media, so, expect to have to see art from artists directly.

This link will expire in a week by default, but may expire earlier if things go south. If this can be pinned within the thread somehow that'd be nice, but otherwise I expect it to get little use.
You can also try signing up for Aethy ( https://aethy.com/ ), as they seem to welcome contentious content as well. They are federated with Baraag, so you can still interact with and view Baraag posts generally.

On a side note to this post, I wonder how many people have been banned for this post specifically due to their own hatred or trolling. Quite a few.

itsukarine said:
https://baraag.net/invite/fXYmWSGi

Since Baraag has been mentioned a few times and the moderation here seems to be warm to pointing people elsewhere in general, here's an invite url for anyone who wishes to join, as we're always willing to welcome artists and their supporters.
Of course, Baraag and most of the Fediverse it's connected to are not Boorus, but Twitter-like social media, so, expect to have to see art from artists directly.

This link will expire in a week by default, but may expire earlier if things go south. If this can be pinned within the thread somehow that'd be nice, but otherwise I expect it to get little use.
You can also try signing up for Aethy (https://aethy.com/), as they seem to welcome contentious content as well. They are federated with Baraag, so you can still interact with and view Baraag posts generally.

Aethy link needs the / and ) off of it. But omg, that site looks horrible. First things I see is a post someone saying they want to "unalive" themselves. Or another that they said their mom got them diagnosed for autism to control them. Instant dark vibes on that one. Baraag I support though.

watch them ban feral next.
fuck my life, man.

strawrberry said:
Uh oh, no more Gawr Gura

A prime example of how this is stupid. Gura isn't a child. She is small.
The non-purged Gura NSFW is just her with big tits because tits=adult, right?

I wonder if the wayback machine would work for this website

I’ve naught to say but :(

dimoretpinel said:
I am so tired of seeing people call others pedophiles in this thread.

Pedophilia is not just looking at lolisho.

Pedophilia is a real, diagnosable mental illness per both the DSM-5 and ICD-11.

As far as everyone here knows, you are not a licensed doctor, psychiatrist or sexologist.

Shut up.

Jesus fuck, more people need to hear this

honestly what worries me about this decision is, frankly, what if advertizers push further? we already seen on other websites just how much advertisers push these issues. first is this which frankly is fine...ish. but then your probably gonna be seeing more and more purging till pretty much only vanilla-stuff is allowed on this website.

kathyohneke said:
honestly what worries me about this decision is, frankly, what if advertizers push further? we already seen on other websites just how much advertisers push these issues. first is this which frankly is fine...ish. but then your probably gonna be seeing more and more purging till pretty much only vanilla-stuff is allowed on this website.

I don’t think it’s the advertisers, I think it’s the hosting service

aspy_dragon said:
I don’t think it’s the advertisers, I think it’s the hosting service

still, hosting service or no its only a matter of time.