thatfennec said:
I didn't say they are. I'm pointing out that e621 is served here, so by their own logic, cub is also on the chopping block.
Also, FYI, New Zealand and Australia are in fact different countries, so don't lump them in together like that unless you're citing an example that is actually relevant to both and not one.

They are different, yes, but have similar policies regarding media.

mklxiv said:
None of them have changed. It's looking like e621 has something to hide, especially after digging through their DNS history and finding all the companies they more obviously use or has used since 2011 for technical/hosting-related services are based in the US and not abroad, plus their excessive lack of transparency regarding who was told what. Maybe these "business partners" are the mafia? It's sure sounding like it.

If anything I'd say it's more likely to be a shady government agency if they're this fucking vague and scared about it. Assuming they're even giving us anything resembling the truth, given how hilariously blatantly they've contradicted both themselves and each other.

or it's just staff vaguely alluding to recent sociopolitical goings-on as an opportunistic excuse to do something they've wanted to do for a while, given how smug and satisfied some of them are with disingenuous reductive "well humans were never meant to be part of this site ANYWAY" messaging

mklxiv said:
New Zealand and Australia also throw people in jail or heavily fine them for playing Grand Theft Auto so I don't think nanny states like those are a good example of reasonable policy advancements.

This is going to screw over the staff so hard.

cumwizard said:
If anything I'd say it's more likely to be a shady government agency

I don't know. If they said that, frankly I think even Fox (HAH) Mulder would be skeptical.

mklxiv said:
None of them have changed. It's looking like e621 has something to hide, especially after digging through their DNS history and finding all the companies they more obviously use (or have used) since 2011 for technical/hosting-related services are based in the US and not abroad, plus their excessive lack of transparency regarding who was told what. Maybe these "business partners" are the mafia? It's sure sounding like it.

Maybe, but if it were truly just their business partners pushing a puritanical agenda, I don't see why NotMeNotYou would even bring up the subject of law. I suppose I can understand from a business perspective that it wouldn't be good to call out your business partners, even anonymously, but why bring up law rather than just avoiding the subject?

dba_afish said:
false

Correct

cinder said:
See my response here.

That whole 20 minutes thing validates what a large chunk of folk are saying in yall being negligent and unprofessional as a whole.

mklxiv said:
They are different, yes, but have similar policies regarding media.

I hate going to bat for NZ because I have many, many issues with this country and its laws, but you're just patently wrong. There are a grand total of 8 banned video games in NZ - 10, if you include a demo and dlc for one of them (Postal 2). Grand Theft Auto, as an entire franchise, does not appear on that list. There are pearl clutchers who want more games added to the list, but in practice, it's highly unlikely to happen.

If this honestly had to happen, then I'm glad its happening now instead of when I was just getting started in the furry fandom. 20+ years of seeing censorship becoming more and more widespread and applauded makes me glad my time here is almost up. Young me would have been furious, now I'm just tired.

What bugs me even more about this change, is just how broad it is. I've seen a lot of R34 sites remove loli content, but they're generally pretty lenient at where they draw the line. With this change, it's hard to know where exactly the line is drawn and what's allowed. You can't accurately judge the age of a character from drawing, especially if it's stylistically drawn. It's easy to see posts like Riko from Made in Abyss and say "yeah, that's definitely a representation of a child", but I feel like a lot of other removed posts were more petite than loli.

Also, even if you wanted to try to see or save your old favorites, the Internet Archive isn't going to help you since they were blacklisted and hidden from non-users.

angelpuppet said:
Maybe, but if it were truly just their business partners pushing a puritanical agenda, I don't see why NotMeNotYou would even bring up the subject of law. I suppose I can understand from a business perspective that it wouldn't be good to call out your business partners, even anonymously, but why bring up law rather than just avoiding the subject?

90% of businesses related to running the site is all trivial to find out, even with e621 hiding behind Cloudflare. "Law" is a convenient excuse to create urgency and shift blame, but with out any idea of which law(s) are to blame, it becomes a poor excuse. The only law-related thing that may be to blame is e621 being blocked in Switzerland for a few weeks on accusations by the government there of it hosting "child pornography."

mklxiv said:
The mafia was more of a quip than a genuine accusation :P

I know. I just wanted to say that lol

cumwizard said:
I just saw how ATF's staff responded to its prospective newcomers in light of e621's fuckup, and it was absolutely gigabased. Their messaging is the complete opposite of the staff here.

>straightforward
>reassuring that they have plans to keep content safe
>giving more clear info on what IS/COULD BE an obstacle for hosting content going forward
>even touching on their methods for bypassing those obstacles

Like, holy shit. e621's staff got absolutely dogwalked. yes I chose that phrase on purpose lol

Take notes e6

dilll220 said:
We are witnessing the Real Time live destruction of the Library of Alexandria, at least in terms of ancient archived furry art...

That's literallybjust the modern internet due to how people think censoring is a good firdt response.

thirtyeight said:
If this honestly had to happen, then I'm glad its happening now instead of when I was just getting started in the furry fandom. 20+ years of seeing censorship becoming more and more widespread and applauded makes me glad my time here is almost up. Young me would have been furious, now I'm just tired.

What you're seeing happening on e621 goes way beyond the fandom, it's not a problem with the furry fandom. The entirety of the west is turning against the ideal of liberty, and both sides of the political spectrum are complicit.

angelpuppet said:
What you're seeing happening on e621 goes way beyond the fandom, it's not a problem with the furry fandom. The entirety of the west is turning against the ideal of liberty, and both sides of the political spectrum are complicit.

Oh, I'm well aware. I mention the furry fandom in specific because it has been a huge part of my life. When I first joined the fandom, we were a bunch of weirdos and outcasts, and everyone from every walk of life was welcome. We may not have all agreed with each other's tastes, but we understood it was us against the world. That sense of community is long gone. Now everyone is judged by the things they like and the company they keep. The fandom has either been sanded down into bland inoffensiveness, or people retreat to their private discords where they can be themselves without fear of judgement. The fandom I fell in love with is just about gone, and it's about time I left too.

Personally, I'm neither pro or anti cub. Art to me is sacred, and any allowance of censorship is a failure to preserve what matters most in a fandom.

"It leads to lots of locked threads, longtime or small time members being temp or perm banned, and eventually the naysayers will be forced out of their own communities. It's interesting for me to see how many members have their names crossed out in these recent threads for saying very vague things that could even be viewed as harmful as reactions to the purging of their content. (also note the common insulting and jeering tone of the ban reasons being listed.)"

Well what do ya know? Already another locked thread that had no rule violations. Weird.

Oh nice! Glad to see this happen. Could care less about the legal or political environment; I'm just glad such degeneracy is now gone. Still a lot to go.

kuroitsune said:
Oh nice! Glad to see this happen. Could care less about the legal or political environment; I'm just glad such degeneracy is now gone. Still a lot to go.

you've got rape and underage (or underage-coded) in your favorites

jester89 said:
"I will clarify, because you have responded in a pleasant and civil manner. Not EVERY moderator is going to be an asshole, you're a prime example. There still have been some inflammatory ban resoning being left behind on plenty of participants of that thread. Not everything I said has taken place for this site, but is starting to, and there is evidence of that to be found in the thread iself, and the manner of moderators administering punishment to some participants. Not only is it very immature to see mods banning people with what appears glee or a personal grudge, it's telling of who is banned and what actually for. Anyone can be labled a troll, even without valid reason."

Yes, true indeed. Some users are being picked off simply for voicing their dissent openly in this thread. When I look at the "reasons" for their voice being silenced, the "reason" doesn't often make much sense.

For example, how exactly does an e6 staffer tell that a User commenting in a massive shit show of a thread is not of "sufficient age" to be there? Sure, they might be able to supply their Identification Card, but what if no one is manning the email system? What if no one ever sees it? What if a specific moderator just really hates that person and tosses their "complaint ticket" onto a heap of flames? How are these things even decided? What actual evidence or proof is cited or sourced to prove that a User is in fact "not old enough" to participate in the website?

Will e621 become like Facebook and start demanding I.D. at all times? I was under the impression that the Arizona Law didn't get passed, thus the crisis was averted... I'm an adult but do I want to give up my personal private information to a group of mods who might have their own nefarious nasty plans for that data?

That information could very easily end up in the hands of trolls who really, really, really hate Furries...

dilll220 said:
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Yes, true indeed. Some users are being picked off simply for voicing their dissent openly in that thread. When I look at the "reasons" for their voice being silenced, the "reason" doesn't often make much since.

For example, how exactly does an e6 staffer tell that a User commenting in a massive shit show of a thread is not of "sufficient age" to be there? Sure, they might be able to supply their Identification Card, but what if no one is manning the email system? What if no one ever sees it? What if a specific moderator just really hates that person and tosses their "complaint ticket" onto a heap of flames? How are these things even decided? What actual evidence or proof is cited or sourced to prove that a User is in fact "not old enough" to participate in the website?

Will e621 become like Facebook and start demanding I.D. at all times? I was under the impression that the Arizona Law didn't get passed, thus the crisis was averted... I'm an adult but do I want to give up my personal private information to a group of mods who might have their own nefarious nasty plans for that data?

That information could very easily end up in the hands of trolls who really, really, really hate Furries...

I saw that ban reason as well. I just figured it was more an insult to the maturity level of the person banned. Think the maturity of the person that did the banning is a larger tell of immaturity imo.They seriously locked down the other thread quickly though when another user literally ousted staff plain as day for being shady about this whole mess WELL in advance.

thirtyeight said:
Personally, I'm neither pro or anti cub. Art to me is sacred, and any allowance of censorship is a failure to preserve what matters most in a fandom.

Agreed. Maybe my opinion is partially coloured from coming from gaming primarily and media preservation being a big deal for a long time in that community, but my opinion on this sort of thing is honestly in the extreme. I think all cultural artefacts are sacred - all writing, art, music, film, and more modern, video games and other interactive media. I'm more of the opinion that once something is out in the public, it is part of the human cultural project. I've always hated when artists nuke their own content, when game publishers destroy access to their media, and when websites delete content in swathes.

Instead, we censor and erase, we burn away anything that doesn't fit with the here and now. Our culture is meaningless because we destroy any part of it that doesn't fit the mold of today.

I also agree with the rest of your comment, but that would start to drift off topic, so I'll just leave it at "agreed, can relate."

Did Nonbearnary just delete his comment and Jester's response to it?

dachimotsu said:
Did Nonbearnary just delete his comment and Jester's response to it?

Looks that way, yes.

dachimotsu said:
All art should be equally defended regardless of content.

Not when it's glorifying pedophilia, it shouldn't.

So I actively have a strike on my account for mentioning someone was using an underage VA for a porn animation, but this is obviously a bigger issue? What's the game plan here?

Okay everyone, we've been pretty lax about a lot of comments going on in here because we understand tensions are high and this is a not great situation overall. Lots of comments that went over the edge have been hidden, but no records given.

However, just a few things I'll say. No more railing on each other or saying how much you hated the content or its enjoyers. Likewise, no more making jabs at these people when they inevitably have that stuff in their favorites.

Next, links and mentions of other sites. You can link to alternative sites that might still host the content — that's perfectly fine. But we will hide any that link to known piracy sites, as we always have.

Can we try to bring back a bit of civility here? Vent your frustrations, but we don't need to attack one another.

I am very concerned for this platform as an ***Archive*** as it says right on the mission statement. If this now, then what next? Are we going to ban every thing including feral on this site due to "partners" when they feel like that's the next thing they want to go for?
I get there may have been a gun pointed here but we are going to need *a lot* more context then whats been given AND if things don't "get better", then we want finely drawn rules on where and when this site plans on pushing back against things, where we might look to move/go if things go down hill past a certain point. I want some clear and defined standpoints now as the one single place where just about everything furry related art wise could go, now has a huge gap and weak point outsiders will try and use against this place.
Not sure if we can trust them though as basically the site just drew a line in the sand and as someone crossed it, they took a step back and drew another going "don't cross that" as if it will stop whoever this is from doing it again and again till we have another furaffinity or sofurry platform.

I want to know what partners, laws and anything else causing this change. Who is putting the pressure where, the site may comply for now but if they are going to push you around we want to know who.
Whether to provide solutions, push back against those who causing this or anything else on the table, I feel e6 needs to be *very* transparent here, and set a president that anything that gets done will be fully disclosed from now on.
That way no one needs to hide anything.
If its owners or business partners or whatever else, if they don't have the sites best interest in mind, then maybe its time to consider breaking those ties.

I don't care about any moral standings here, they are irrelevant. Strictly this site is supposed to be an archive and its always been a rule of "don't like it? blacklist it".

The trust has been broken and now we will wait for staff to either come forward and be clear and earn some trust back or, this may be the beginning of the slow decline of this site as slowly, inch by inch, outsiders take a mile and claim you are still past where you started, all the while standing far behind where the line was originally drawn.

Id hate to see this site go out but I hope we can all come together and figure out what is going on and why the site is not nearly as independent as it should be.

rainbow_dash said:
Okay everyone, we've been pretty lax about a lot of comments going on in here because we understand tensions are high and this is a not great situation overall. Lots of comments that went over the edge have been hidden, but no records given.

However, just a few things I'll say. No more railing on each other or saying how much you hated the content or its enjoyers. Likewise, no more making jabs at these people when they inevitably have that stuff in their favorites.

Next, links and mentions of other sites. You can link to alternative sites that might still host the content — that's perfectly fine. But we will hide any that link to known piracy sites, as we always have.
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Can we try to bring back a bit of civility here? Vent your frustrations, but we don't need to attack one another.

I would love civility to come back, considering I wasn't being uncivil to begin with. Assuming I'm not actually banned or hidden, I might as well do as Bearnary requested and post the original comment I made in this thread as they requested I should have done from the start.

---So people have yet to acknowledge, or are willingly ignoring or downplaying,(mods/jans/admin,) the main issue about what is happening. The type of content being removed could have been any fetish and it would still have people rallying on the site, just different ones. I know shit and gore are definitely reviled almost as much as the current subject matter on the block.

Censorship always looks great at first, especially if you are a detractor of the content that is currently being removed. It might make you very high in spirits to see content you despise get scrubbed off your beloved platform. But that's the honeymoon phase of worming it's way in. It's meant to be very appealing at first, and it succeeds. It's always enacted under the guise of protecting some class or specific persons. And at first, it's always seen as morally and subjectively a great thing to be had or done. Anyone that isn't familiar with its pracitce, appears quite normally to enjoy its implementation. I myself am guilty of this, like MANY others because at the time, I just saw the complete removal of something I didn't like on a site I enjoy.

But then more things are added to the ever growing list of what, as of yet, is blocked or not allowed on the site. More vocal outrage of that type of content is heard and multiplied, and eventually is added to the collection of the type of content not allowed on the site. And the cycle continues as the community begins the phase of stagnating. Sometimes the opposition steps in immediately and makes their arguments heard about why this move is bad and we are currently seeing the backlash/backpedaling/and panic phases.

Make no mistake, the site's staff are already panicking and trying to downplay the severity of what is happening. They already anticiapted this fallout, and are working doubletime to mitigate their potential losses. Their best tools are: intimidation, insults, and condescension. It begins with insults and talking down to anyone that isn't immediately in agreement with the staff's decisons. They'll have an army of yesmen readily and immediately judge your character for enjoying said content, they'll incite you to say something that might not be outright bannable, but punishable nonetheless. The people in agreement with the staff might even say questionable or flat out not allowed content as well, but they'll either recieve a full pass, or a slap on the wrist by comparison. Or staff themselves will show their double standards on full display and dole out the required actions to get the results they want.

It leads to lots of locked threads, longtime or small time members being temp or perm banned, and eventually the naysayers will be forced out of their own communities. It's interesting for me to see how many members have their names crossed out in these recent threads for saying very vague things that could even be viewed as harmful as reactions to the purging of their content. (also note the common insulting and jeering tone of the ban reasons being listed.)

It's also interesting to see threads almost immediately locked after this issue arose that have very little to do with the content being purged, but one aspect bleeds through both of them. IE:The thread titled, "There Needs to be a Mass Selction Option." It's a several months old thread that someone recently posted requesting help or mentioning having to use this feature again due to the recent decision on the site. It was locked not even 3 days later. The staff can easily site the reasoning for the lock as necroposting as well, so not many people will question it.

You'll also see more threads popping up celebrating the change, arguing the change, declaring their "indifference" to the change,(would not actually be the case since you care enough to make your opinion known,) and that will continue for a while. You'll see other people like me trying to make a point in a civil manner come under fire from said intimidation tactics and similar cajolling. Threads where it's more visible that the staff already lost their arguments will see radio silence for the most part, aside from the active members discussing different options, sites, and debating in a relatively civil manner.

The site has just enacted a bad policy and you'll eventually see the fruits of it. The site is also rightly getting called out about it. It looks really petty at first, but until what you enjoy is added to the list, you won't see it. People talking about feral and shortstacks are doing so from a pov of experience firsthand."---

Now the brackets were what I said originally with no edits. How many instances can you see as an exmaple that happened since I posted that and I "apparently," was disrespectful towards staff. (only after they were condescending.)

Things I learned. Brackets in text form create hyperlinks. Fuck me. 3 dashes can't be some special netcode editing, can it?

mklxiv said:
90% of businesses related to running the site is all trivial to find out, even with e621 hiding behind Cloudflare. "Law" is a convenient excuse to create urgency and shift blame, but with out any idea of which law(s) are to blame, it becomes a poor excuse. The only law-related thing that may be to blame is e621 being blocked in Switzerland for a few weeks on accusations by the government there of it hosting "child pornography."

Switzerland controls a lot of the global banking sector...

toradrow777 said:
There's always their Pixiv account and the All The Fallen booru.

yea but all the uncensored was on here and nowhere else

kyiiel said:
Switzerland controls a lot of the global banking sector...

I'm sick of the Swiss!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLzrSQRTEs

rainbow_dash said:
Okay everyone, we've been pretty lax about a lot of comments going on in here because we understand tensions are high and this is a not great situation overall. Lots of comments that went over the edge have been hidden, but no records given.

However, just a few things I'll say. No more railing on each other or saying how much you hated the content or its enjoyers. Likewise, no more making jabs at these people when they inevitably have that stuff in their favorites.

Next, links and mentions of other sites. You can link to alternative sites that might still host the content — that's perfectly fine. But we will hide any that link to known piracy sites, as we always have.

Can we try to bring back a bit of civility here? Vent your frustrations, but we don't need to attack one another.

topic #41124 When the artist themselves uses E-H, hehe.

jester89 said:
Things I learned. Brackets in text form create hyperlinks. Fuck me. 3 dashes can't be some special netcode editing, can it?

Using section tag is good for quoting a large number of lines.
You can put it in layers like this: [section][quote]Comment 1[/quote] [quote]Comment 2[/quote][/section]

Can we have a thread with all of the admin’s messages from this thread? There’s too many pages, it’s hard to get the full picture.

dimoretpinel said:
Can we have a thread with all of the admin’s messages from this thread? There’s too many pages, it’s hard to get the full picture.

Would that really help? We've gotten about five different versions of the story at this point and none of them have been doing anything more than dancing around the details.

Welp, R I.P Lilo and Stitch NSFW

I have a question for the admins:

Do you believe there is there a possibility, in the short or long term, that this content gets restored, or that more restrictions will be imposed?

kyiiel said:
I have a question for the admins:

Do you believe there is there a possibility, in the short or long term, that this content gets restored, or that more restrictions will be imposed?

Some mods (I forgot who, that’s why I think grouping all mod messages together would help) said yes, but non-bear-nary says it won’t ever be restored.

rainbow_dash said:
Okay everyone, we've been pretty lax about a lot of comments going on in here because we understand tensions are high and this is a not great situation overall. Lots of comments that went over the edge have been hidden, but no records given.

However, just a few things I'll say. No more railing on each other or saying how much you hated the content or its enjoyers. Likewise, no more making jabs at these people when they inevitably have that stuff in their favorites.

Next, links and mentions of other sites. You can link to alternative sites that might still host the content — that's perfectly fine. But we will hide any that link to known piracy sites, as we always have.

Can we try to bring back a bit of civility here? Vent your frustrations, but we don't need to attack one another.

Yeah, some civility would at least simmer things down I hope; honestly, nothing else in this thread has helped. The lack of transparency and heads-up is the main issue for this whole mess, IMO. Making a stronger statement and explaining the boundaries would’ve been an ideal first move. WHY only humanoid? WHY do you trust that? WHY should we trust that?

Not trying to riff on y’all but this has been handled really poorly; it feels like you guys need to run your big statements past someone uninvolved or do a legitimate QnA — nobody on your side understands how disorienting is to have this bombshell dropped on the layman (assuming the theories that this has been brewing for a little are true; if not, y’all got a similar experience I guess).

I get that transparency and controversial decisions seem risky for your partnerships, but obscurity is exactly how you make people presume and come to conclusions potentially worse than reality. If you are certain other content is safe, say so. If you are unsure, say so. If you’re concerned, say so. Shouldn’t this site’s user base, affected by the decisions ultimately up to the corporate and administrative side, have SOME part? Not everything can involve the public, obviously, but this is already a platform criticized for its odd rules and shitty-attitude moderators and, while I get why it’s not top concern, this whole ordeal’s lack of clarity feels like an unnecessary extension of that messiness.

This is getting incredibly worrying... I really fear that people will start to have legal action taken against them as governments become more conservative and authoritarian, using censorship and criminal punishment to silence those they don't like under the faulty pretext of "protecting children". With sites in the West now starting to conform to this general trend makes me increasingly worried that people are cowering out rather than taking a stand out of fear of a vocal minority.

Where did all of non-bear-nary’s answers go?

dimoretpinel said:
Where did all of non-bear-nary’s answers go?

I can only hope they were removed for being inaccurate about the decision never being reversed.

Much appreciated Alphamule, but I don't think I'll be here long enough to learn the ins and outs of board shortcuts. Recieived my first warning already for insinuating somebody didn't put a whole lot of thought into a response to me. I'd be amazed at what saying something intentionally aggressive and offensive would do.

But it looks like I might still have some posting priveleges so I'll use it while I can and be sure to very much sugarcoat it.

Censorship is the main issue people are upset about. They've witnessed and been a part of too many communities that ultimately embrace it and my very long post outlines a fairly in-depth look into how and why these reactions happen. I also point out that it could have been any fetish seen as reprehensible to the majority that could have set off this powder keg.

Come to think about it, I'll respond to kindness, with kindness and hide who took moderator action against my previous comment, who's actually being quite civil themselves.

Edit: Cool. You can hide your own posts. Nifty feature.

sylveon-z said:
I can only hope they were removed for being inaccurate about the decision never being reversed.

Wasn't one of those answers that humans altogether would never be removed? I'm much too lazy to actually sift through this garbage to check if it was another admin who said it.

nikolover said:
This is getting incredibly worrying... I really fear that people will start to have legal action taken against them as governments become more conservative and authoritarian, using censorship and criminal punishment to silence those they don't like under the faulty pretext of "protecting children"

Yeah, it’s insane that I’ve considered moving to MORE restrictive places because they at least have a politically disengaged public that just wants to live their lives. That’s fucking backwards, and maybe I’m the insane one for thinking of that as a solution, but at this point, why shouldn’t I just move to a country with ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE, less violence, and decent internet so I can just use a VPN?

Part of what even stops me is the fact I know I’ll still be hearing about America’s (and Europe’s) bullshit no matter where I go, because companies and spineless akaryocytes are doing more governing than the actual government—how long until we get complacent with forgetting the Hippocratic oath? It’s what’s happened to the government and the police.

A reminder that you can see a handy list of all post IDs that have ever been expunged (as in physically deleted from the servers, not merely removed from the public index) here. You might notice that this was an only occasional action before the beginning of June this year, at which point the rate increased sharply. About two-thirds of all posts that have ever been expunged have been expunged within the last six weeks.

There is simply no reason to believe the official story that the staff could not have given us any warning of what was to come.

dimoretpinel said:
Some mods (I forgot who, that’s why I think grouping all mod messages together would help) said yes, but non-bear-nary says it won’t ever be restored.

And that’s one person’s word against multiple, so maybe there’s some hope left after all.

dimoretpinel said:
Where did all of non-bear-nary’s answers go?

>flat out said scrubbed content definitely wouldn't be restored, contradicting admins' assurances that restoration isn't 100% off the table and that content is ready to go in such an event
>assuring that cub is okay
>smug about this decision because NO HOOMAN ON FUR SITE, an incredibly reductive view of the issue and dismissive of the scope of content intended to be removed (e.g. interspecies art with humanoid lolishos)
>now those posts are gone

lmfao okay I'm convinced, staff (either some or all) one hundred percent wanted to nuke human lolisho and have been deflecting to pretend their arms purely were being twisted by outside forces in my eyes

deleting staff responses that are more direct and very noticeably contradictory to the mealy-mouthed contradiction-filled common narrative is damning as hell IMO

dimoretpinel said:
Can we have a thread with all of the admin’s messages from this thread? There’s too many pages, it’s hard to get the full picture.

Good idea!

cumwizard said:
>flat out said scrubbed content definitely wouldn't be restored, contradicting admins' assurances that it's ready to go back up in the event of restoration
>assuring that cub is okay
>smug about this decision because NO HOOMAN ON FUR SITE, an incredibly reductive view of the issue and dismissive of the scope of content intended to be removed (e.g. interspecies art with humanoid lolishos)
>now those posts are gone

lmfao okay I'm convinced, staff (either some or all) one hundred percent wanted to nuke human lolisho and have been deflecting to pretend their arms purely were being twisted by outside forces in my eyes

deleting staff responses that are more direct and very noticeably contradictory to the mealy-mouthed contradiction-filled common narrative is damning as hell IMO

Good observation. I dunno myself but it is kinda sus.

wat8548 said:
There is simply no reason to believe the official story that the staff could not have given us any warning of what was to come.

That's presuming they knew of the impending purge when handling those posts. From the way it sounds, those started as individual requests to get rid of specific posts, there was no intention to remove all explicit young human-like characters then, just deal with the deletion requests as needed and hope it dies down. But it ended up not being good enough to appease whoever had a problem, and the call came in to get rid of all of it ASAP.

jester89 said:
Much appreciated Alphamule, but I don't think I'll be here long enough to learn the ins and outs of board shortcuts. Recieived my first warning already for insinuating somebody didn't put a whole lot of thought into a response to me. I'd be amazed at what saying something intentionally aggressive and offensive would do.

But it looks like I might still have some posting priveleges so I'll use it while I can and be sure to very much sugarcoat it.

Censorship is the main issue people are upset about. They've witnessed and been a part of too many communities that ultimately embrace it and my very long post outlines a fairly in-depth look into how and why these reactions happen. I also point out that it could have been any fetish seen as reprehensible to the majority that could have set off this powder keg.

Come to think about it, I'll respond to kindness, with kindness and hide who took moderator action against my previous comment, who's actually being quite civil themselves.

Edit: Cool. You can hide your own posts. Nifty feature.

Hell, there's backticks. See the link next to Submit button.

crocogator said:
Good idea!

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Holy shit thanks

cumwizard said:
lmfao okay I'm convinced, staff (either some or all) one hundred percent wanted to nuke human lolisho and have been deflecting to pretend their arms purely were being twisted by outside forces in my eyes

If that was the case, why would they do it in such a sloppy half-assed way that caused more work restoring a good portion of what got deleted? Something they're still in the process of doing, and will be for a while. If they wanted to delete human lolisho, they could've done just that with a lot better precision if it was their intention, but instead they went scorched earth on young ~human ~humanoid -rating:s (or something similar), knowing it would leave them with a large mess to clean up.

watsit said:
That's presuming they knew of the impending purge when handling those posts. From the way it sounds, those started as individual requests to get rid of specific posts, there was no intention to remove all explicit young human-like characters then, just deal with the deletion requests as needed and hope it dies down. But it ended up not being good enough to appease whoever had a problem, and the call came in to get rid of all of it ASAP.

Even if we allow for alleged extreme naivety that the logical next step would not follow, a sudden unprecedented onslaught of large-scale irreversible deletions of content that did not break any site rules is the kind of event that would warrant a public announcement in any case, from which everyone else could have drawn the obvious conclusions. Your theory makes the staff look even worse than my one.

alphamule said:
Hell, there's backticks. See the link next to Submit button.

Ah cool. It's slightly above the submit button on my screen, but I see it.

watsit said:
If that was the case, why would they do it in such a sloppy half-assed way that caused more work restoring a good portion of what got deleted?

I dunno, if advertiser/legal pressure was the case, why would cub apparently be immune from lolisho nukes?

cumwizard said:
I dunno, if advertiser/legal pressure was the case, why would cub apparently be immune from lolisho nukes?

If it was a legal issue, I presume it's because nonhumans aren't people.

wat8548 said:
Even if we allow for alleged extreme naivety that the logical next step would not follow, a sudden unprecedented onslaught of large-scale irreversible deletions of content that did not break any site rules is the kind of event that would warrant a public announcement in any case, from which everyone else could have drawn the obvious conclusions. Your theory makes the staff look even worse than my one.

We don't know what they were told, what they were allowed to say even if a suspicion grew. Back when those posts were being expunged, they were pretty quiet on details, which makes it seem like they had to be quiet. When you're dealing with sensitive legal operations, you don't go blabbing publicly about it without an okay from your own legal team. The fact that they're still cagey about details suggests they aren't at liberty to divulge much.

kyiiel said:

If it was a legal issue, I presume it's because nonhumans aren't people.

Neither are fictional characters though, it’s arbitrary