i really hope this doesn't spread to other image sites
its ridiculous regardless of the reason, nobody is hurting anyone ffs

notknow said:
Just again make a serious consideration of trying to move to a server outside america... one day they could just not allow furry content anymore and then e621 will just need to shut down completely lol.

Do you guys really want an almost yearly headache when the political climate make server hosts change rules for hosting porn?

I'm genuinely afraid of if the US puts forth any anti-gay, anti-trans, heck, any anti-lgbtqb laws, knowing this sites cowerdly track record. what will be censored next.

edit: I hate mobile, lamo.

notasexualdodo said:
What sucks is that barely anything that overlapped with the human/humanoid porn with furry that got nuked got mirrored elsewhere on places like ATF, so now there's just a fuckton of things missing. If cub ever gets nuked off of this site, that one can barely be considered an alternative given the piss poor job it does at mirroring cub stuff from here.

They aren't as furry friendly either, though it just depends. I do post furry stuff there but its just hard (esepcailly since I don't have a good way (or enough space) to download most content on this site, nor would much of it fit their criteria.

There is some other boorus but yeah, its rough. Baraag is having trouble funding its $2000 server bills and we might be losing more and more sites as things become more expensive.

theory0fstrings said:
Ah so its the server hosts? Okay cool. Understandable. Not sure why you'd be so squirrely about that if thats the case.

I imagine specifically pin-pointing which partners came with these restrictions would be another sure way to have them end business with the site.

notasexualdodo said:
Yeah, if there's anything you'd avoid doing in a situation like this, is disclosing any actual people responsible for bringing about this change, because that's just gonna result in a torrent of death threats, harassment, and possibly worse from a few unhinged individuals. Though why they refused to initially disclose that they were doing this because of server hosts, especially given I'm pretty sure what company hosts e621 is not publicly available information and as such wouldn't be risky to specify that it was that that was the issue, I have no idea. I imagine this News announcement was rushed, given the extensive editing in post.

Sometimes the people responsible do need to be exposed as otherwise nothing will change; what content people are allowed to draw and enjoy in their own jurisdiction is not dependent on some dictator fuckwad in a country with 13th century social norms that puts people to death over porn halfway around the world, nor the businesses said fuckwad has by the balls.

atomicblaze21 said:
This is pure speculation on my part, but is this possibly relevant to recent public knowledge and awareness about Project 2025? That would definitely cause some cold feet for server hosts and ISPs in America, especially with regard to a site with such a large portion of sexual content.

If P2025 had anything to do with this, it would result in the removal of ALL art featuring underaged characters. Hell, I doubt this site would have ANY pornographic content if it was relevent.

On one hand I'm okay with getting rid of the art featuring very young characters.
BUT!
On the other hand there was artwork listed as young when it should have been listed as adolescent that also got deleted.

m3g4p0n1 said:
I imagine specifically pin-pointing which partners came with these restrictions would be another sure way to have them end business with the site.

Which is why I'm satisfied with them just saying its server host related.

notmenotyou said:
challenges stemming from changes in the political and legal environment, both offline and online

Can you break down the political and legal challenges you encountered? I have a feeling you and the rest of the staff have found an Arizona state law on loli porn while you were figuring out what to do with the ID porn bill, but that's just a guess.
I also feel that the ban was done for personal or commercial reasons (like an association with a "sponsor" that doesn't like loli). It would be better if you explained the real motives before users start developing their own theories and get more angry.

This compromises the site significantly. Y'all saying that donations can't cover server hosting fees, but your advertisers do is ignorant of how well-known and widely used E6 is.

notmenotyou said:
For everyone's convenience here's the new section of the Uploading Guidelines:

FAQ:

What exactly is now forbidden?

Young humans and anything that looks vaguely like a young human in NSFW contexts. This includes plain humans, stylized humans like cartoon characters (The Simpsons, etc), elves, orcs, vampires, zombies, kemonomimi, humans with a few glued on animal features (noses, tails, ears, whiskers, etc.), and similar content.
Basically, if it mostly looks like a young human (even with stylistic or other small changes), it is no longer allowed.

What about cub / anthro?

Young anthro characters / cubs are unaffected by this change and are still allowed to be posted.

The sudden deletions pushed my upload limit into the negatives, what do I do?

Email us or DM an administrator, and we'll bump your limit back up to being usable to you.

I think one of the submissions you purged was done in error, as it does not feature a young human or young humanoid character. Can that be reinstated?

Yes! We're working through everything we deleted to restore content that got caught by error, and if you know something that's affected, we'd be more than happy to have a look and restore it if applicable. We hope to get all false hits sorted out by ourselves, but that might take us a while due to the massive volume of posts to go through.

I believe I have found a submission that breaks these guidelines, but was not deleted, what do I do?

At the moment, if you find anything please send us an email ([email protected]) and we will have a look. However we will try to have an on-site option in the Flag For Deletion menu for this ASAP, and will edit this entry once that’s all sorted out and live.

Why didn't you manually vet all deletions before deleting anything?

This whole ordeal had to be implemented sooner rather than later, and as such, it was sadly not feasible to go through all of the content first. But as we can restore things without lasting consequences, we believe our approach outweighs the negatives of some false hits being inaccessible for a small period of time.

notmenotyou said:
Greetings!

We've got a doozy this time.
Due to challenges stemming from changes in the political and legal environment, both offline and online, we have had to adjust our content guidelines to preserve access to our site. As a result, any content featuring young human or humanoid characters in explicit situations is now prohibited and will be deleted. This change also applies retroactively, and we have already removed all existing submissions featuring such content.

As with all irrelevant content, we will not issue records for uploads that violate this policy; the content will simply be deleted.

Thank you for your understanding, as this was not an easy decision for us to make.

No.

honestly they might as well go all the way and do a full purge if they're so worried about pissing off advertisers think of the savings on server space....

Good. Now you just need to get rid of cub and feral art too.

(To specify, I mean feral of real animals. Feral of dragons and stuff like that is fine obviously)

Ok so by doing a bit of math, (admittedly making a lot of assumptions, mainly assuming that all deleted posts were due to this new rule) we can calculate how many posts have been nuked and give that as a percentage of said nuked posts

4915640 (The most recent post at time of calculation)
-4299626 (number of posts at time of calculation)
—————
616014 (total number of nuked posts)

616014 / 4915640
———
~0.125 (total fraction of nuked posts)
So about 12.5 percent of all posts on this site have been nuked since its birth and the moment I make this comment, (idk how many of these posts would make Chris Hansen show up) and I don’t know if my calculations are correct or not, and I might need some more information on how many posts were nuked today, so we could determine how big of a chunk this decision has taken out of this website

This site is dying too huh? :(
A warning would've been nice at least, could've downloaded some posts I liked..

welp, censorship and morality/thought police at it again, censoring and stifling artists, blaming fiction over real issues.........

just you wait, they'll come after other stuff next, until the only thing left is bland, boring, uninspired and lazy missionary for the sake of procreation only

classic out of touch, fearmongering, scarecrow waving politics bullshit

autlizard said:
Good. Now you just need to get rid of cub and feral art too.

(To specify, I mean feral of real animals. Feral of dragons and stuff like that is fine obviously)

post #3971664

This guy doesn't know how that ended for the last site that tried it.

aspy_dragon said:
Ok so by doing a bit of math, (admittedly making a lot of assumptions, mainly assuming that all deleted posts were due to this new rule) we can calculate how many posts have been nuked and give that as a percentage of said nuked posts

4915640 (The most recent post at time of calculation)
-4299626 (number of posts at time of calculation)
—————
616014 (total number of nuked posts)

616014 / 4915640
———
~0.125 (total fraction of nuked posts)
So about 12.5 percent of all posts on this site have been nuked since its birth and the moment I make this comment, (idk how many of these posts would make Chris Hansen show up) and I don’t know if my calculations are correct or not, and I might need some more information on how many posts were nuked today, so we could determine how big of a chunk this decision has taken out of this website

Roughly 45k posts today, but there are confirmed false hits that will be restored in due time.

are you at least going to do the due diligence of siccing your staff on the backlog of deleted images to save what should be saved in accordance with your own rules or is the 'ctrl+a and delete' approach the first and final act of pruning?
Because unless the deleted image has a link to another live version of the image the userbase isn't going to be able to contest improper deletions.

to be more serious: bending the knee this brutally and quickly is going to cripple the site; not so much just with human lolisho bans, but by sending a message that others can easily pull strings to get shit pulled en masse that THEY don't like now.

kasperi01 said:
This site is dying too huh? :(
A warning would've been nice at least, could've downloaded some posts I liked..

Idk if the wayback machine would work

aspy_dragon said:
Ok so by doing a bit of math, (admittedly making a lot of assumptions, mainly assuming that all deleted posts were due to this new rule) we can calculate how many posts have been nuked and give that as a percentage of said nuked posts

4915640 (The most recent post at time of calculation)
-4299626 (number of posts at time of calculation)
—————
616014 (total number of nuked posts)

616014 / 4915640
———
~0.125 (total fraction of nuked posts)
So about 12.5 percent of all posts on this site have been nuked since its birth and the moment I make this comment, (idk how many of these posts would make Chris Hansen show up) and I don’t know if my calculations are correct or not, and I might need some more information on how many posts were nuked today, so we could determine how big of a chunk this decision has taken out of this website

It was exactly 45,787 posts (<1%)
We have not been close to 4.9 million active posts, you're counting posts deleted for any other reason ever over the last almost 2 decades

So I went into my favs and checked young, feral and human. Now I get stuff like Zelda content and even young children, that's fine. BUT SO MUCH GOT CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE! Paw Patrol, MLP, FERAL ADULT HUMAN ON POKEMON, even stuff with the Adult lore tag! ALL GONE! MOST OF THAT WASN'T EVEN ANTHRO, IT WAS FERAL.

I just hope the falsely flagged stuff gets restored, because that is A LOT OF CONTENT.

For me, this decision screams of being something commercial rather than something related to laws and political environment.

What surprises me is that you didn't extend the ban to young_anthro and young_feral as well, because for me, there is no difference. Young is young, be it a human or an animal and the reaction to the content should be the same to be fair.

musicw0lf said:
If they are glorifying the act of killing, murdering, raping etc. Then, yes, absolutely.

So, by that logic, every first-person shooter, heck, every video game in general, should be illegal, because pretty much all of them glorify killing of some kind as part of their gameplay.

autlizard said:
Good. Now you just need to get rid of cub and feral art too.

(To specify, I mean feral of real animals. Feral of dragons and stuff like that is fine obviously)

Why not the anthro posts? They're still animals, so it's just as wrong as cub and feral.

cumwizard said:
to be more serious: bending the knee this brutally and quickly is going to cripple the site; not so much just with human lolisho bans, but by sending a message that others can easily pull strings to get shit pulled en masse that THEY don't like now.

I do agree that this is a slippery slope, I guess just go ahead and save your favorites, maybe have an archive somewhere.

autlizard said:
Good. Now you just need to get rid of cub and feral art too.

(To specify, I mean feral of real animals. Feral of dragons and stuff like that is fine obviously)

Really doing your best to live up to that "Tread on me" bit, huh? I get it though; everyone needs something to be outraged over to justify not having to actually do anything about real problems in the world today.

Also you have feral horse porn in your uploads here, and this is in your FA gallery so idk what you're on about.

k4rn4ge911 said:
So I went into my favs and checked young, feral and human. Now I get stuff like Zelda content and even young children, that's fine. BUT SO MUCH GOT CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE! Paw Patrol, MLP, FERAL ADULT HUMAN ON POKEMON, even stuff with the Adult lore tag! ALL GONE! MOST OF THAT WASN'T EVEN ANTHRO, IT WAS FERAL.

As said previously already, we were under a pretty steep deadline, and as such used a shoot first and ask questions later approach. We'll be going through and restoring anything caught that shouldn't have been, now that we have more time to breathe and do so.

toradrow777 said:
If things get any worse, I'm thinking of moving to Canada.

This type of artwork has been banned in Canada since 1985, refer to section 163 of the Criminal Code. Please do not sully our name by implying we are a haven for this type of stuff, we aren't...

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-163.1.html

edu2703 said:
For me, this decision screams of being something commercial rather than something related to laws and political environment.

What surprises me is that you didn't extend the ban to young_anthro and young_feral as well, because for me, there is no difference. Young is young, be it a human or an animal and the reaction to the content should be the same to be fair.

Somehow there's a certain extra layer of "immunity" afforded to furry characters in discourses surrounding "decency". For example, they seem to also be immune to the increasingly prevalent desexualization/humbling of female character designs in video games.

i know i might be hated for this, but im still going to express my opinion

i really dont like cub content at all, i know "its just a drawing" but that drawing is of a child, it just doesn't sit right with me

bruh_momento69 said:
i know i might be hated for this, but im still going to express my opinion

i really dont like cub content at all, i know "its just a drawing" but that drawing is of a child, it just doesn't sit right with me

Okay cool.

notmenotyou said:
As said previously already, we were under a pretty steep deadline, and as such used a shoot first and ask questions later approach. We'll be going through and restoring anything caught that shouldn't have been, now that we have more time to breathe and do so.

Understood, I'm guessing you probably used a script of sorts. I get it and I wasn't trying to be an asshole, just laying it out that so much got hit that didn't need to. I trust that you'll restore what you can that don't violate the terms.

Just sucks this had to happen in the first place. Fuck politics and fuck the self-righteous.

felicity_longis said:
Okay cool.

oh yeah, i already have blacklisted it, i just dont even like the thought that its allowed here, just makes me uncomfortable

Soooo... this site is slowly going towards the FurAffinity model huh?

I am curious though, since this was demanded by business partners, whether this will be enough, or there could be more demands like this to remove content to be expected in the future, I know you need the business, however, should we expect more banning of other types of controversial content in the future? and if so, is there a line to what is acceptable and not acceptable to ban, and if so, where is it?

gheygar said:
RIP all kirlia and ralts lewds.

Pretty sure they'd technically fall under the cub/anthro exemption

Cowards. You rolled over for the fascists because Kage won't let Bad-Dragon sell at Anthrocon?

bruh_momento69 said:
why do you want those images to stay

As long as snuff stays I'm just fine.

bruh_momento69 said:
i know i might be hated for this, but im still going to express my opinion

i really dont like cub content at all, i know "its just a drawing" but that drawing is of a child, it just doesn't sit right with me

ok, you do you, is but fiction, lines on paper, or in this case, pixels on a screen

why do people get all up in arms and outraged about FICTIONAL loli/cub, and yet there's absolute silence over, to give examples, snuff, vore, rape and such?

makes absolutely no sense and reeks of "my kinks are perfectly fine and acceptable, yours are not and should be shamed and banned, whileyou get put on a watchlist" hypocrisy

tiger145 said:
So, by that logic, every first-person shooter, heck, every video game in general, should be illegal, because pretty much all of them glorify killing of some kind as part of their gameplay.

Why everybody got me wrong? Did I really messed up that sentence that much? I mean, in most FPS you have a mission, you defend yourself, or your enemies are really bad people. All this gives you context.
I was talking about pure act of killing, no intention, no context, just straight up death. I have a problem with THIS being glorified. Can you see it in a media/games? Very, very rarely. Sometimes people are even displeasured by this, because killing by itself isn't fun or entertaining in any way.

The only example of what I mean I can get is irl gore videos, which are fucked up and should be purged. This is glorification of killing, when you kill without purpose and make fun of it.

Others gave example of war films, but I don't get where there's a glorification of violence. War films that I saw are all sad or depressing, showing death as killing as something that should never repeat again.

Is this opinion naive? Probably yes. Stupid? Probably? Do I believe in this? Yes.
That's why I'm sitting on a porn site saying this, and not actually making a difference.

bruh_momento69 said:
oh yeah, i already have blacklisted it

So that's the end of it. I'm not comfortable with Nazi stuff being here, so I use my blacklist and move on .That's all there is to it. Pruning and purging content on the grounds of some ambiguous moral stance that really just exists to excuse apathy towards real issues is a blight on society vastly more destructive than any single or group of artworks.

If you're that uncomfortable with it, you can always remember this simple fact...

ay what’s next? get rid of all feral art? christ.

vinitration said:
Pretty sure they'd technically fall under the cub exemption

Nope, they're all gone. Pokémon and Digimon alike.

bruh_momento69 said:
it just doesn't sit right with me, not one bit

expertly dodged lol

the ever-encroaching march of capitalism ruins yet another human joy

when will money stop ruining lives...

bad

So what other sites show I look for now that this new rule has been added?

votp said:
post #3971664

This guy doesn't know how that ended for the last site that tried it.

What the other site?

Why does the government have to be such a bitch about art. Just let people do art and have fun, it shouldn't matter what the art is. Like, it isn't hurting anyone? I hope cub doesn't get taken down next though...

I'm sad
1/4 of my posts gone

notasexualdodo said:
Nope, they're all gone. Pokémon and Digimon alike.

NMNY did say there were casualties, but that's the good thing about this site. With the click of a button, those posts that were hit will come back, they aren't gone for good. And the ones that do violate the new terms can most likely be traced back to their sources if they are still viable. I agree with (mostly) everyone here that it sucks, but Hell, there's other places to find Genshin Impact artwork.

styxghost said:
ok, you do you, is but fiction, lines on paper, or in this case, pixels on a screen

why do people get all up in arms and outraged about FICTIONAL loli/cub, and yet there's absolute silence over, to give examples, snuff, vore, rape and such?

makes absolutely no sense and reeks of "my kinks are perfectly fine and acceptable, yours are not and should be shamed and banned, whileyou get put on a watchlist" hypocrisy

Agreed. People don't have to be okay with lolisho porn, they have every right to want to distance themselves from it and even voice displeasure of it. But to be a fan of furry porn (especially feral), yet to advocate against lolisho in a manner that endorses quashing others' ability to access it, is an extreme hypocrisy IMO. And no, I'm not including material of real subjects in either case. I can't believe that needs to be explicitly said, but here we are.

musicw0lf said:
Why everybody got me wrong? Did I really messed up that sentence that much? I mean, in most FPS you have a mission, you defend yourself, or your enemies are really bad people. All this gives you context.
I was talking about pure act of killing, no intention, no context, just straight up death. I have a problem with THIS being glorified. Can you see it in a media/games? Very, very rarely. Sometimes people are even displeasured by this, because killing by itself isn't fun or entertaining in any way.

The only example of what I mean I can get is irl gore videos, which are fucked up and should be purged. This is glorification of killing, when you kill without purpose and make fun of it.

Others gave example of war films, but I don't get where there's a glorification of violence. War films that I saw are all sad or depressing, showing death as killing as something that should never repeat again.

Is this opinion naive? Probably yes. Stupid? Probably? Do I believe in this? Yes.
That's why I'm sitting on a porn site saying this, and not actually making a difference.

cause sadly that thinking is all too commonly widespread and accepted, even enforced and encouraged by politics?

notmenotyou said:
Roughly 45k posts today, but there are confirmed false hits that will be restored in due time.

Should have made a backup of them first to sell it to "private collectors" or donate it to ATF.

luna_claw said:
Why does the government have to be such a bitch about art. Just let people do art and have fun, it shouldn't matter what the art is. Like, it isn't hurting anyone? I hope cub doesn't get taken down next though...

If history told me anything, it will happen.

greatwhitetrillium said:
This type of artwork has been banned in Canada since 1985, refer to section 163 of the Criminal Code. Please do not sully our name by implying we are a haven for this type of stuff, we aren't...

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-163.1.html

When was the last time they actually prosecuted someone solely on ficitonal underage characters? I can see if mixed in with real stuff but just on that, I would be kind of mithed when there is actual predators out there.

felicity_longis said:
Okay cool.

Their business partners did same thing, but for entire site.

Why am I not surprised by all the 'Please ban content I don't like because I'm too dumb to use the blacklist' folks on this topic?

notasexualdodo said:
Nope, they're all gone. Pokémon and Digimon alike.

Nope, still plenty of Ralts and Kirlia lewds on the site, I just checked

Am I right in assuming the business partner in question also didn't have a choice in this, either? As the state they are based in has just passed a law, and probably one that missed everyone else's radar?

Because I have to believe everyone the site does business with personally has had to be vetted by staff, so as to ensure they didn't just surprise you with a demand like this over a sudden change of heart.

vinitration said:
Nope, still plenty of Ralts and Kirlia lewds on the site, I just checked

Very few on-model Ralts and Kirlia remain, basically most of the ones tagged loli and shota are gone.

what a deranged decision lol. you lot must love bootlicking quite a lot

Huh, looks like I'm hypocritical asshole. I laughed that this content is removed, but I still like feral and some specific cub.

You learn something about yourself everyday.

vinitration said:
Nope, still plenty of Ralts and Kirlia lewds on the site, I just checked

A lot are gone too though. The deletions have been inconsistent.