Topic: The UK age verification law (The Online Safety Act) is now in full effect.

oh wow aparently this law is having such a huge impact over there a petition to force a general election just to get these guys out and the guy who said he'd repeal it in just reached half a mil in less than a day.

kathyohneke said:
guy who said he'd repeal it in just reached half a mil in less than a day.

It's a wonder people still believe or trust any of this...

justkhajiit said:
It's a wonder people still believe or trust any of this...

1: The petition isn't to get the other guy in. It's just to call for a general election to try and get Labour out. A general election that I honestly doubt is going to happen given how fast the last petition was just thrown out. (I seriously doubt there was any actual debate on repeal, legal obligation or not.)
2: What else are the people of the UK supposed to do? It's either have faith that the guy will actually keep his word and repeal the bill or get the guillotine ready and try to give everyone in government the Louis XVI haircut. Democracy or revolution are the only options here.

speedrn1 said:
It's back again and after seeing just now on discord it's going to be put to full effect on July 24th in the UK.

Yup.. The US currently has it's own version of this law sitting as a bipartisan bill as we speak.. If people don't speak up ASAP we are doomed. More than ten states also have something.

Dark fucking times. Credit Cards playing moral police, including even games now.. this kind of shit going global.

drkfce0 said:
Yup.. The US currently has it's own version of this law sitting as a bipartisan bill as we speak.. If people don't speak up ASAP we are doomed. More than ten states also have something.

Dark fucking times. Credit Cards playing moral police, including even games now.. this kind of shit going global.

SCREEN isnt bipartisan and seems to be very unlikely to pass..for now. if your talking about KOSA https://action.freespeechcoalition.com/bill/kids-online-safety-act-kosa-2025/ its quite a bit different. still extremely bad but different.

kathyohneke said:
SCREEN isnt bipartisan and seems to be very unlikely to pass..for now. if your talking about KOSA https://action.freespeechcoalition.com/bill/kids-online-safety-act-kosa-2025/ its quite a bit different. still extremely bad but different.

This just makes me wonder. Why isn't e621 or Bad Dragon pushing back against this shit? Or Rule34 or PornHub? Because this isn't something that's gonna just stop at the UK or Australia or Canada. This is being pushed on a global scale, but for some reaaon no one outside of Apple or Wikipedia seem to have the balls to fight back. Where's the pushback? Where's the demand for safer ways for people to verify ID? Where's the spokesmen challenging the ethicacy of this shit?

Why are they all just rolling over and letting themselves die instead of fighting tooth and nail for their survival?

eclipse_lunablade said:
This just makes me wonder. Why isn't e621 or Bad Dragon pushing back against this shit? Or Rule34 or PornHub? Because this isn't something that's gonna just stop at the UK or Australia or Canada. This is being pushed on a global scale, but for some reaaon no one outside of Apple or Wikipedia seem to have the balls to fight back. Where's the pushback? Where's the demand for safer ways for people to verify ID? Where's the spokesmen challenging the ethicacy of this shit?

Why are they all just rolling over and letting themselves die instead of fighting tooth and nail for their survival?

Why do people love assuming they know the inner workings of every company, and then assume that if said company is not loudly and publicly criticizing or fighting against something that they are rolling over and doing nothing

eclipse_lunablade said:
Why isn't e621 or Bad Dragon pushing back against this shit? (...) Why are they all just rolling over and letting themselves die instead of fighting tooth and nail for their survival?

Compared to everyone else we are tiny, we have no sway anywhere
Money speaks, and neither E6 nor BD have the means to fight any battles there

And considering we don't have those means, that gives us no reason to put ourselves in the spotlight
It's in our best interest to ride it out as long as we can and hope we go unnoticed

eclipse_lunablade said:
but for some reaaon no one outside of Apple or Wikipedia seem to have the balls to fight back.

You mean a multi-trillion dollar company and the biggest collection of all of the world's knowledge? Yeah I can't imagine why either of those guys would be fighting

donovan_dmc said:
Why do people love assuming they know the inner workings of every company, and then assume that if said company is not loudly and publicly criticizing or fighting against something that they are rolling over and doing nothing

Compared to everyone else we are tiny, we have no sway anywhere
Money speaks, and neither E6 nor BD have the means to fight any battles there

And considering we don't have those means, that gives us no reason to put ourselves in the spotlight
It's in our best interest to ride it out as long as we can and hope we go unnoticed

You mean a multi-trillion dollar company and the biggest collection of all of the world's knowledge? Yeah I can't imagine why either of those guys would be fighting

Look, I get it. I'm not trying to say that e6 staff can pull a trillion dollars out of nowhere and sue multiple governments into the ground. But it's just so damn frustrating seeing this shit being pushed with seemingly no one pushing back against it despite how many clearly understand the dangers of online IDs.

There has to be something that can be done, even without a ton of sway. Otherwise our only hope is essentially wait for some politician to come along and repeal these laws (Better odds at winning the lottery imo), have a worldwide French Revolution which none of us want, or get ready to give your passport to some corpo drone in India just because you want to jack off to some Gardevoir tits after a long day.

eclipse_lunablade said:
Wikipedia seem to have the balls to fight back.

ehhhh. wikipedia lost a legal challenge to the online safety act in the UK three days ago.

pristin said:
ehhhh. wikipedia lost a legal challenge to the online safety act in the UK three days ago.

Better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all.

pristin said:
ehhhh. wikipedia lost a legal challenge to the online safety act in the UK three days ago.

despite the clickbaity titles? they didn't lose. what actually happened was the lawsuit was cancelled because ofcom technically while they have talked about it haven't done anything to wikipedia yet. Basically the judge said they are charging someone with murder when the murdered person is talking live on tv right now. The judge also told them they are free to re-file a lawsuit if/when ofcom actually does something to them and off hand told ofcom wikipedia is important. just dont.

Update: the UK has picked a fight with 4chan. That can only go well for them...

assassinfenrir said:
Update: the UK has picked a fight with 4chan. That can only go well for them...

4chan replied with a lawyer basically saying "we're a US company..so fuck off". And they're right. As a US based company, they're not under the UK jurisdiction and cannot be forced to censore their users or pay any fines the UK demands. 4chan's lawyers even said they'll take them to US federal court, win, and demand money from the UK

idk if this is the right forum post for this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E621_(website)#Age_verification_law;_possible_shutdown

What is happening with e621 and Arizona law?

disposableyeens said:
idk if this is the right forum post for this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E621_(website)#Age_verification_law;_possible_shutdown

What is happening with e621 and Arizona law?

Short answer: Until further notice from staff? Nothing. If you hear otherwise from some random user? They don't know what they're talking about.

Longer answer: In the words of the 2nd in command of the whole site?

Rainbow Dash said:
e621 will remain available for all users in its current state, for the foreseeable future.

Take their word over some random alarmist Wikipedia editor.

Longest answer: It's the same thing discussed in this news update. You'll notice this passed long before this UK bill. You'll also notice you can read this post on the site just fine, so that Wikipedia user is, at least thus far, wrong. Don't worry until we tell you to. Of course, that doesn't mean "be complacent" (we'd all prefer that law & this UK one get yeeted into the sun), but as for now, we have no plans for the site going down.

aacafah said:
Rainbow Dash said:
e621 will remain available for all users in its current state, for the foreseeable future.

Was that before or after the no-warning blind purge of legal content based on you aren't allowed to know? The staff here have only the best intentions but despite that they can't make promises in this climate. They can't promise to break the law or expose the site to legal risks, nobody can blame them for not doing so either. We should all be on alert, because it's up to us to speak out and resist where the corporation that runs the site cannot.

aacafah said:
...It's the same thing discussed in this news update...

That news update was long after the young human purge we have a pinned thread for reversals, you-know-whoing isn't doing anything, so yeah, after. Specifically, that quote is from like 2-3 weeks ago.

arrow189 said:
We should all be on alert, because it's up to us to speak out and resist where the corporation that runs the site cannot.

Did I ever say otherwise?

aacafah said:
...Of course, that doesn't mean "be complacent" (we'd all prefer that law & this UK one get yeeted into the sun), but as for now, we have no plans for the site going down.

aacafah said:

Rainbow Dash said:
e621 will remain available for all users in its current state, for the foreseeable future.

Where did they say that? I searched around and couldn't find the original comment.

aacafah said:
It's the same thing discussed in this news update. You'll notice this went into effect long before this UK bill. You'll also notice you can read this post on the site just fine, so that Wikipedia user is, at least thus far, wrong.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but AZ HB 2112 won't go "into effect" until September 26th (as explained here and here).

reginaldludwig said:

aacafah said:

Rainbow Dash said:
e621 will remain available for all users in its current state, for the foreseeable future.

Where did they say that? I searched around and couldn't find the original comment.

That quote is from a staff-only channel on our Discord server; I am but a disciple passing this scripture onto thee. Rainbow Dash has a lot on her plate. As for publicly-accessible statements from higher-ups, also on our Discord server, in our help desk, there's this:

Cinder said:
There is no need to panic. BD are looking into what we can do about this situation.
Currently, we don't have anything to tell you about what is going to happen, but we are not shutting down.

There had been plans put in place in preparation to a situation like this.
While we expected the governor to veto the bill, it does not mean that everyone sat on their asses in the meantime.

Once we have a solution ready, we'll let you know.

reginaldludwig said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but AZ HB 2112 won't go "into effect" until September 26th (as explained here and here).

Poor phrasing on my part; I'll correct that. Thank you for catching that.

If I may offer some advice to the staff...there is a well known lawyer working to fight against the UK government (along with others) on this issue. 4chan has already enlisted their aid...and has told the UK government recently to "fuck off. My client isn't paying you anything."

If you guys get hit by one of their "fines"..contact him. I can't recall his name...but I'm sure you can find it or someone else here can for you.

Just seen steam are having to use a credit card to prove you are 18+.
Which isn't helpful as I don't even have one only a debit card and only had that for years.
They don't have any other way of verification at the moment.
Note: debit cards don't work as a means of verification.

speedrn1 said:
Just seen steam are having to use a credit card to prove you are 18+.
Which isn't helpful as I don't even have one only a debit card and only had that for years.
They don't have any other way of verification at the moment.
Note: debit cards don't work as a means of verification.

Which is ironic as hell since you have even harder time getting one of those as a minor...

alphamule said:
Which is ironic as hell since you have even harder time getting one of those as a minor...

Thats the thing, I've only had debit cards since I got the first one issued 13 years ago.
They could atleast use a different way to verify instead since there's people like me that don't even have a credit card.
Hell I don't link my cards to services since as much as they say their security is great its not always the truth.

Kind of hilarious how you can mess with the search results by adding unrelated profanity to the end on Bing. A Town Called Sue is not even mentioned in first 10 (linked, not results page) pages of the clean result.
[clean] versus [dirty]

The jurisdiction issues are actually an interesting/scary part of the whole theory behind this law's enforcement. I mean seriously, Sun never sets is not supposed to mean the same as everything the Sun hits.

speedrn1 said:
Thats the thing, I've only had debit cards since I got the first one issued 13 years ago.
They could atleast use a different way to verify instead since there's people like me that don't even have a credit card.
Hell I don't link my cards to services since as much as they say their security is great its not always the truth.

In USA, credit cards don't even ask for a PIN, and when they ask for a signature, it's not going to be verified. Also, ATM, bank, and debit cards are all different concepts. Like, you can have a card that only works in ATMs. You can have a card that works like an electronic (instant) check to 'debit' your account. You can have bank cards that are effectively both, and sometimes also a credit card. Security of US retail is beyond bad.

alphamule said:
Kind of hilarious how you can mess with the search results by adding unrelated profanity to the end on Bing. A Town Called Sue is not even mentioned in first 10 pages of the clean result.
[clean] versus [dirty]

The jurisdiction issues are actually an interesting/scary part of the whole theory behind this law's enforcement. I mean seriously, Sun never sets is not supposed to mean the same as everything the Sun hits.

In USA, credit cards don't even ask for a PIN, and when they ask for a signature, it's not going to be verified. Also, ATM, bank, and debit cards are all different concepts. Like, you can have a card that only works in ATMs. You can have a card that works like an electronic (instant) check to 'debit' your account. You can have bank cards that are effectively both, and sometimes also a credit card. Security of US retail is beyond bad.

Huh interesting

speedrn1 said:
Just seen steam are having to use a credit card to prove you are 18+.
Which isn't helpful as I don't even have one only a debit card and only had that for years.
They don't have any other way of verification at the moment.
Note: debit cards don't work as a means of verification.

The OSA comes right on time for the release of GTA 6. People will just pirate it because that way you don't need to go through age verification.

electricitywolf said:
The OSA comes right on time for the release of GTA 6. People will just pirate it because that way you don't need to go through age verification.

I doubt gta 6 is gonna get hit by this.

speedrn1 said:
I doubt gta 6 is gonna get hit by this.

R* has aready put age verification stuff into GTAV's online. the files are there but are currently inactive.

dba_afish said:
R* has aready put age verification stuff into GTAV's online. the files are there but are currently inactive.

Oh right that...
I actually forgot about that, ehh at this point I gave up on gta anyways.

And now KOSA is getting closer and closer to being a reality as well.

Am I the only one here who's just getting legit depressed by all this? I just feel like I'm about to lose so much, not just sites like e6 or FA, but also some of my closest friends. And there's nothing I can do except pray for a miracle.

eclipse_lunablade said:
And now KOSA is getting closer and closer to being a reality as well.

Am I the only one here who's just getting legit depressed by all this? I just feel like I'm about to lose so much, not just sites like e6 or FA, but also some of my closest friends. And there's nothing I can do except pray for a miracle.

Drag them to mIRC, Matrix or w/e, some chat platform that doesn't suck lol.

About porn pages sadly most people will need to learn to use VPN if they survive, they will just ban IP from countries and states that aren't worth the trouble...

eclipse_lunablade said:
And now KOSA is getting closer and closer to being a reality as well.

Am I the only one here who's just getting legit depressed by all this? I just feel like I'm about to lose so much, not just sites like e6 or FA, but also some of my closest friends. And there's nothing I can do except pray for a miracle.

Take it to the appropriate thread if you want to bring attention to it, see topic #45709 (locked), topic #57257 (locked), & topic #58697 (current).
^{(Just as a heads up, threads get locked if people continue to derail it with irrelevant comments or political shitflinging.)}

Also, just in case other people want to know about other similar threads or discussions:

• topic #57070 - Arizona's age verification law and its impact on e621 (locked with admin comment)
• topic #58646 - Stop payment processors, Visa and Mastercard, from censoring gaming platforms.
• https://stopcensorship.net/ - Informative site on the current threats to digital freedom.

Found this while checking the discord for updates:
https://discord.com/channels/431908090883997698/432280334466547724/1412540007691845694

Bearnaise said:
Questions about age verification laws should be directed to management via email - [email protected]

I figured with all the Doom and Gloom, I'd make light of some stuff I'm reading.

Kind of lulzy grasping at straws? Looking at "robust verification" and it's: GPS (requires a phone, can be spoofed or turned off), name of Wifi routers (requires a permission largely denied and again, not well supported, but has bonus of requiring 4th-party cooperation), cell tower data (Gee, guess the caveats), a frigging altimeter (what?), oh, and "buy my bookservices." What's weird is they don't even mention latency checks. I mean, if consistently hitting sub-5ms pings from Dallas servers, that's a pretty good sign of you living in Texas. Probably because if your site's specific server for that user is running out of Stockport instead of somewhere in another country, you would likely be seeing users with British IP addresses in the first place? I'm surprised also that they didn't mention the browser's time zones and language settings. I mean, might as well, right?

"How This Can Be Implemented Fairly" -> We'll just make everyone do it, even if they don't live in Shittown, England. I'm totally sure that'll work, gov!

The 'loophole' is that they're not running in said jurisdiction in the first place. This reads as almost desperate or maybe AI-written. It's weirdly incoherent in some parts but not others.

Said not Kryptonite, while losing powers to green light. :P Also, "buy my book!"

BTW: Found the AVPassholes using a link here.

alphamule said:
This reads as almost desperate or maybe AI-written. It's weirdly incoherent in some parts but not others.

yeah, this thing kinda reeks of AI. the weird formatting, inconsistent tone, etc.

dba_afish said:
yeah, this thing kinda reeks of AI. the weird formatting, inconsistent tone, etc.

That or the writers are just crazy. :D

snowwolf said:
I am pretty sure that this would be the equivalency of amazon deciding to become a free lending library and not sell anything at all -- strange, bizarre and more than a little improbable.

Tumblr's nsfw ban was monetarily motivated: Advertiser money. That's not our dealio.

If you turn off your add blocker (please do) you'll note that e6's ads are carefully tailored to our furry audience, rather than... your google search history, lol.

Counterpoint: e621 had to do a massive wave of bans on young humanoid content because pressure from a government body caused credit card companies to target e621. If that same group does the same thing they did last time but targeting all pornography in general, is there really anything the e621 people could do?

I mean, I really really hope so, but I don’t know. Please tell me there would be something to do…

major_meme said:
Counterpoint: e621 had to do a massive wave of bans on young humanoid content because pressure from a government body caused credit card companies to target e621. If that same group does the same thing they did last time but targeting all pornography in general, is there really anything the e621 people could do?

I mean, I really really hope so, but I don’t know. Please tell me there would be something to do…

This site does zero payment processing, and bad dragon is practically a completely separate entity
Nothing that has happened here was caused by payment processors

major_meme said:
Counterpoint: e621 had to do a massive wave of bans on young humanoid content because pressure from a government body caused credit card companies to target e621. If that same group does the same thing they did last time but targeting all pornography in general, is there really anything the e621 people could do?

I mean, I really really hope so, but I don’t know. Please tell me there would be something to do…

To quote @NotMeNotYou on topic #45501:

• "If you want to prevent shit like this from happening in the future, vote, yell at your representatives, get involved directly. More and more of this shit is getting flung at the adult industry at large from both sides of the aisle, in basically every western nation. The UK and EU want to make encryption illegal, in the US Dems and Reps respectively want to either make porn only accessible ID and SSN or make it illegal entirely, payment processors get more aggressive all the time for everything adult, the UK even has been whining at us for months about some new fucking brainfart they're dreaming up to PrOtEcT tHe ChIlDrEn."

If you don't know what laws will impact you or where to start, go to https://stopcensorship.net/ and click on "Take Action".
Being informed and spreading awareness of the issues that currently plague online digital freedom is important, followed by raising your voice to the people you elect to office.

mantikor said:
Are we talking about Brexit?

We left to get out of the EU and WEF's pocket but 99% of our politicians are in the EU and WEF's pocket.