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speedrn1 said:
I've only seen it announced on a news channel a week or so ago but noticed no one has made a mention on it.
Yeah, that's the problem. People would rather be viral on social media than take action.
There's also this:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/nexus-mods-will-soon-require-age-verification-for-uk-and-eu-users-looking-for-its-treasure-trove-of-adult-mods/
Yuck.
clamchowder said:
Wait, I thought they dropped it.Anyway, porn will soon be dead on the Internet, and so does privacy.
Pack your bags, goons. We're leaving.
I'd honestly be better off without it. I've wasted so many years because of it.
lonelylucario said:
I'd honestly be better off without it. I've wasted so many years because of it.
Yeah, but what about social media? What about news sites? What about... basically everything on the Internet?
clamchowder said:
Yeah, but what about social media? What about news sites? What about... basically everything on the Internet?
I'm talking about porn in general. The only social media apps I've ever used was Facebook and Reddit. Their communities drove me away. I just stick with YouTube
lonelylucario said:
I'm talking about porn in general. The only social media apps I've ever used was Facebook and Reddit. Their communities drove me away. I just stick with YouTube
Well, have fun spending time on YouTube. You won't know when they sneak some form of spyware.
clamchowder said:
Well, have fun spending time on YouTube. You won't know when they sneak some form of spyware.
As if Google hasn't already collected enough users' information without them knowing
lonelylucario said:
As if Google hasn't already collected enough users' information without them knowing
And eventually hands them to the higher-ups, or vice versa.
clamchowder said:
And eventually hands them to the higher-ups, or vice versa.
They've already had an anti-trust lawsuit brought upon them
clamchowder said:
Yeah, but what about social media? What about news sites? What about... basically everything on the Internet?
I do know new users for PlayStation had to do the age verification awhile ago but not old accounts.
speedrn1 said:
I do know new users for PlayStation had to do the age verification awhile ago but not old accounts.
That... sounds bad... for new users.
lonelylucario said:
I'm talking about porn in general. The only social media apps I've ever used was Facebook and Reddit. Their communities drove me away. I just stick with YouTube
If you're having fun it's not a waste.
Also, note to whatever staff member who is inevitably going to lock this thread: If you want these threads to stop then answer peoples' questions rather than leaving everyone in the dark to speculate until the literal last second and handing out records to anyone who asks. Simple and easy solution.
mklxiv said:
Also, note to whatever staff member who is inevitably going to lock this thread: If you want these threads to stop then answer peoples' questions rather than leaving everyone in the dark to speculate until the literal last second and handing out records to anyone who asks. Simple and easy solution.
How about you actually read the existing threads instead of asking the same questions over and over again?
This is going to be the fifth thread this week about age verification laws (spanning across Arizona, the US, the UK, and the EU) that the mods will inevitably lock because people can't stop doomposting, conspiracy-posting, or discussing about politics that have no place whatsoever here on e6.
Don't know where to start? Read the main thread @ topic #57070 and the mod's final comment about the topic.
You will not get any further details other than that since that is literally all that we know.
thegreatwolfgang said:
How about you actually read the existing threads instead of asking the same questions over and over again?
This is going to be the fifth thread this week about age verification laws (spanning across Arizona, the US, the UK, and the EU) that the mods will inevitably lock because people can't stop doomposting, conspiracy-posting, or discussing about politics that have no place whatsoever here on e6.Don't know where to start? Read the main thread @ topic #57070 and the mod's final comment about the topic.
You will not get any further details other than that since that is literally all that we know.
It would be nice if that was pinned somewhere because at the moment it's kinda hard to find, as it's not getting new posts therefore it isn't getting bumped so it will be buried. Also this thread is much older than the recent issue, check the date on the OP.
thegreatwolfgang said:
How about you actually read the existing threads instead of asking the same questions over and over again?
This is going to be the fifth thread this week about age verification laws (spanning across Arizona, the US, the UK, and the EU) that the mods will inevitably lock because people can't stop doomposting, conspiracy-posting, or discussing about politics that have no place whatsoever here on e6.
I guess no one brought up Australia and its own law.
thegreatwolfgang said:
How about you actually read the existing threads instead of asking the same questions over and over again?
This is going to be the fifth thread this week about age verification laws (spanning across Arizona, the US, the UK, and the EU) that the mods will inevitably lock because people can't stop doomposting, conspiracy-posting, or discussing about politics that have no place whatsoever here on e6.Don't know where to start? Read the main thread @ topic #57070 and the mod's final comment about the topic.
You will not get any further details other than that since that is literally all that we know.
I can't say much about it being political other than parents failing their own job being a parent but I do apologise if it's bring up something that's getting annoying to see.
Since we've been dooming all that much, how about we start with a boon? It's not like there's never a silver lining, right?
To be honest, I got nothing to say, no matter how good or bad it gets.
clamchowder said:
Since we've been dooming all that much, how about we start with a boon? It's not like there's never a silver lining, right?To be honest, I got nothing to say, no matter how good or bad it gets.
The doom is bad to say, as it ruins the mood.
The boon is that even noobs know how to get around it? :P
The real problem isn't porn sites, but sites in general. Discussions are going to be even more controlled/manipulated.
alphamule said:
The real problem isn't porn sites, but sites in general. Discussions are going to be even more controlled/manipulated.
I know, right? That's why I warn everyone that it's not just porn that's affected.
I want to be loud about this kind of issues, but I don't know where to start. I don't want the Internet to become a useless heavily censored brainrot dumpster whose only practical use is 24/7 tracking of wrongthinkers.
electricitywolf said:
I want to be loud about this kind of issues, but I don't know where to start. I don't want the Internet to become a useless heavily censored brainrot dumpster whose only practical use is 24/7 tracking of wrongthinkers.
Didn't we have a whole month dedicated to telling users about the risks of age verification laws?
Listed there are two resources, which are the Free Speech Coalition and Defend Online Privacy. Go support them or engage with their initiatives.
Don't think a strongly-worded letter could help? Then vote for politicians who can uphold your values, or if you are bold enough, go into politics yourself and push for a non-censorship agenda
What are the current sentiments in light of the most recent supreme court ruling?
It’s pretty obvious that the ruling is going to be selectively enforced purely to suppress diversity-friendly expression, so regular porn sites with financial entanglements won’t be touched but sites like e621 would be in their crosshair.
0f8c4c9d05154171ae8 said:
What are the current sentiments in light of the most recent supreme court ruling?It’s pretty obvious that the ruling is going to be selectively enforced purely to suppress diversity-friendly expression, so regular porn sites with financial entanglements won’t be touched but sites like e621 would be in their crosshair.
See topic #58145.
Also, don't bump this thread with comments that have nothing to do with the UK and its age verification laws.
thegreatwolfgang said:
See topic #58145.Also, don't bump this thread with comments that have nothing to do with the UK and its age verification laws.
Thanks, it’s incredibly hard to find the right thread on this topic for some reason, especially with every existing search result saying “this one is a duplicate of another one” without giving any straight answer and following the links just takes you through a circular reference right back to where you started.
I've updated the thread. I didn't think to update it before as I've been using a VPN and haven't been paying much attention to the news.
Might be a good idea if there was a dedicated thread for age verification in general.
We can List all countries implementing their own laws for it or are in the early stages of planning new laws just so we can see a firm picture of how much time before countries try a global age verification like a treaty.
covargo said:
Might be a good idea if there was a dedicated thread for age verification in general.We can List all countries implementing their own laws for it or are in the early stages of planning new laws just so we can see a firm picture of how much time before countries try a global age verification like a treaty.
I second this.
covargo said:
I've updated the thread. I didn't think to update it before as I've been using a VPN and haven't been paying much attention to the news.
covargo said:
All sites with pornagraphy and user generated content will be targeted with dedicated porn sites being targeted first.
All user generated sites, mod sites, discussion forums will be forced to have stringent moderation systems in place to police speech.Expect sites that are based outside the UK who refuse to cooperate will be fined 10% of their global turnover or a fixed fine whichever is higher or be blocked by ISPs if that doesn't work. Only VPNs for now can get past said blocks until they are targeted.
This law is not going away even if we have severe data breaches.
It may be modified in future but not by current government expect other countries to look at the UK as an example for their own plans.
In that case, I feel its worth to bring up again the comment I made back on the main thread, which might give us some ideas on how similar sites are dealing with these laws.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/protecting-children/protecting-children-from-harms-online
Inkbunny's lead admin, GreenReaper, posted a journal asking users on the site about their thoughts on the UK age verification laws and provided some insight on their meeting with the adult content industry and the relevant regulatory body.
While the journal was posted nearly a year ago with not a lot of updates, it is still worth reading what they have learnt from their consultations and the possible solutions to UK-based users.
They provided four possible solutions for consideration in the case for Inkbunny:
They also provided some additional insight:
covargo said:
Might be a good idea if there was a dedicated thread for age verification in general.We can List all countries implementing their own laws for it or are in the early stages of planning new laws just so we can see a firm picture of how much time before countries try a global age verification like a treaty.
These topics tend to get locked rather quickly as everything devolves into nothingness
guess this site is blocked in the UK then unless they are using VPNs?
kathyohneke said:
guess this site is blocked in the UK then unless they are using VPNs?
Learn from the Russians who probably had to endure this for 10 years now and adapt.
thegreatwolfgang said:
Learn from the Russians who probably had to endure this for 10 years now and adapt.
I dont really pay attention to russia except when suddenly its in my news feed (which unfortunately is a lot lately!) so how did they adapt?
kathyohneke said:
I dont really pay attention to russia except when suddenly its in my news feed (which unfortunately is a lot lately!) so how did they adapt?
You already answered your question on your first comment.
…ugh, this whole situation makes me queasy and worried about the integrity of this site and those like it. It’s distressing on one hand, but on the other…? I’m divided in two.
On one hand… Depending on how they go about implementing the age restrictions, it could jeopardize internet privacy in those spaces. Not to mention, y’know, “The internet is for porn!”. It’s deeply embedded into internet history and culture.
No matter how hard you try to scrub it squeaky clean, knowing the internet, there’s always gonna be another workaround or something popping up as soon as you powerwash one away. It’s like whack-a-mole that hates you, and it just feels like it’s gonna create more problems and complications than actually solve anything.
On the other hand… good! I’m not some anti-pornography nutbag who thinks it as Asmodeus whispering sin into the youth, but it’s been freely running rampant for years and the system most sites have for age-verification is about as deterring as a knee-high fence and a sign.
It’s fine in the pools it spawns from, but there’s nothing stopping clueless, curious kids who won’t let some 18+ sign tell them what to do from stumbling upon it… There’s also little stopping those same pools being in places away from where it’s safe and finding the kids first. (see Kphoria, elsagate, Kusemek, freaky content farms, that shit.)
Just look at what it did to me, maybe even yourself, and maybe you’ll see why.I get it.
fox_whisper85 said:
Oh look at that, EU politicians being the thin-skinned troglodytes as usual. This will solve nothing.
Correction. The UK left the EU and you can be sure as hell they did so no one would poke into their laws pointing out how it breaks EU laws.
deterioratedstarcell said:
On the other hand… good! I’m not some anti-pornography nutbag who thinks it as Asmodeus whispering sin into the youth, but it’s been freely running rampant for years and the system most sites have for age-verification is about as deterring as a knee-high fence and a sign.
But is not that what parents and parental control software are for?
covargo said:
I wasn't poking at e621 staff in that way i am nevous that this site will be banned in the UK. The thought of renting an ageID system won't sound appealing to a website just to get access to the UK at least that's how i'm looking at it.I have no idea if this site cares to get access to the UK or whether this has been in e621's sights for a while.
It will depend whether i must use a VPN, TOR to visit here or maybe i don't need to worry about it.
Due to China's Internet firewall, it is difficult for us Chinese netizens to understand the world's Internet (because it is illegal), and it also increases expenses in a tangible way. For me personally, using VPN is not very convenient and the Internet speed is slow.
electricitywolf said:
But is not that what parents and parental control software are for?
… More than likely, actually! Most cases of being exposed to NSFW content early are with kids who have unrestricted access to the whole web, with no parental controls or anything to say what can’t go.
It’s still an issue with things like Elsagate being dangerous content marketed towards kids and overall existing in those spaces, but otherwise…?
Maybe it’s a testament to how less-intimate parents of the 2000’s just give their child an Ipad or computer and call it a day. It’s free entertainment and education in theory… to that I’ve always said: Don’t let the internet raise your child because it will molest them.
Guard rails can only do so much, someone needs to be there to keep kids from climbing it.
deterioratedstarcell said:
… More than likely, actually! Most cases of being exposed to NSFW content early are with kids who have unrestricted access to the whole web, with no parental controls or anything to say what can’t go.
Ah the duality of "somebody do something because we don't wanna". The fuck the parents expect then? That random AI generated YouTube video is gonna successfully teach their kids how to not suck at being human? Restrict your childrens' web access or not but if parents' involvement starts and ends at doing nothing, we're lucky there aren't many successful "TikTok lick toilet bowl" challenges (so far).
Apologies for rude formatting but peoples' collective desire to do fuck all while expecting someone else to take over their lives and do everything for them (while inadvertently boldly marching forward to some sort of a mashup of previous several centuries, culturally speaking) is annoying. Confidently going backwards, eh?
Paid for a 11.99 a month VPN in advance, i really haven't got long left of freedom once this act is in full effect. If parents would monitor and parent their kids, this would not be happening.
radiancemutt said:
If parents would monitor and parent their kids, this would not be happening.
I'm afraid it would, just claimed reason would be different and harder to justify believably. Porn is way too convenient target as of now at least.
radiancemutt said:
i really haven't got long left of freedom once this act is in full effect.
Eh, it'll be fine. OFCOM can't do jack about VPNs - they admit as much in the guidelines. This is aimed at the site providers, not the users; as long as your VPN is active, you're laughing. Even if it wasn't active, there's nothing to prosecute.
If China and Russia can't stop VPNs, the UK certainly can't/won't. They're way more integral to how the world functions than some people realise. I'd honestly be surprised if OFCOM does anything more than check around in the first few weeks and then leave it to "run itself" (i.e. make sure the big companies complied and then call it a day).
I've used this site for years. I'm 31 now. Got a lot of art a few years back when I was well off. But now due to circumstances I don't have much money and am struggling by.
I use FA and e6 almost daily to share art.
they're more than just websites for me. They're like a community.
I don't want to lose them. I can't afford a vpn, and even if I could, it sounds like such a hassle to use something that i've been using for a large majority of my life.
I'm... not gonna lie. I'm scared. I just want things to be okay. I don't know what i'd do if I lost the places I met all of my friend in the last few years...
danneth said:
I've used this site for years. I'm 31 now. Got a lot of art a few years back when I was well off. But now due to circumstances I don't have much money and am struggling by.I use FA and e6 almost daily to share art.
they're more than just websites for me. They're like a community.
I don't want to lose them. I can't afford a vpn, and even if I could, it sounds like such a hassle to use something that i've been using for a large majority of my life.
I'm... not gonna lie. I'm scared. I just want things to be okay. I don't know what i'd do if I lost the places I met all of my friend in the last few years...
Someone already suggested Proton but I *think* both Opera on PC and Mobile have their own VPNs.
here is a PETITION against OSA that some of us are trying to draw attention to
- https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903
for those living outside of the UK, please SHARE this petition asap
for those who are living in the UK, please SIGN and SHARE this petition asap
over the past week or so, sigs have gone from about 4000 to 29700
let's keep the numbers RISING
let's make this petition VIRAL
Greetings fellow E6 users, as a UK resident who would not give my ID to any shady third party age verification entity, I will keep ya'll posted o7
01:38am UK, nothing yet
Telegram rolled out an update which allows users to verify their age with their face, which (allegedly) processes the data on the local device and isn't stored by Telegram. No ID required, either.
If that's truly all it takes to be compliant, that's a whole lot better than the states that want you to hand over enough information to have identity fraud committed against you to a random third-party company.
faucet said:
Telegram rolled out an update which allows users to verify their age with their face, which (allegedly) processes the data on the local device and isn't stored by Telegram. No ID required, either.If that's truly all it takes to be compliant, that's a whole lot better than the states that want you to hand over enough information to have identity fraud committed against you to a random third-party company.
But that has its own issues; some adults are just too baby-faced and some children look way older than they are.
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electricitywolf said:
But that has its own issues.
I could make a million complaints, but posting them on the forum of a furry porn website isn't going to do anything productive.
faucet said:
I could make a million complaints, but posting them on the forum of a furry porn website isn't going to do anything productive.
This is not a porn website.
electricitywolf said:
This is not a porn website.
The law requires that I answer 'no'. 🗣️🔥
Looks like Rule34 has fallen. The internet's ship is starting to sink, to put it in an overtly dramatic way.
Hang strong, e621, 'till the bitter end!
thegreatwolfgang said:
The law requires that I answer 'no'. 🗣️🔥
I have been saying that for a while, before all of this.
adg34 said:
01:38am UK, nothing yet
It's hit me on Multiple sites, Reddit (Age Verification), Google (Age Verification), E-Hentai (Straight Blocked), Discord (Age Verification). The wording is so vague steam is affected by it.
freemys0ul said:
It's hit me on Multiple sites, Reddit (Age Verification), Google (Age Verification), E-Hentai (Straight Blocked), Discord (Age Verification). The wording is so vague steam is affected by it.
Soo..is finally done? Do they need you to id you or something? And really can't access E-Hentai at all?
freemys0ul said:
It's hit me on Multiple sites, Reddit (Age Verification), Google (Age Verification), E-Hentai (Straight Blocked), Discord (Age Verification). The wording is so vague steam is affected by it.
use tor or VPN and vote for a party that is against these restrictions
Websites are going one by one, a lot of normal smaller porn sites have not been hit yet, but most of the big ones like corn hub and R34 are gone. But for today E6 is still accessible.
bogdanurs said:
here is a PETITION against OSA that some of us are trying to draw attention to- https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903
for those living outside of the UK, please SHARE this petition asap
for those who are living in the UK, please SIGN and SHARE this petition asap
over the past week or so, sigs have gone from about 4000 to 29700
let's keep the numbers RISING
let's make this petition VIRAL
The petition is getting close to 100,000 signatures and the numbers are rising fast.
If it reaches that goal, the matter would be considered for debate in parliament.
EDIT: Congrats, it has reached 100,000 signatures.
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freemys0ul said:
It's hit me on Multiple sites, Reddit (Age Verification), Google (Age Verification), E-Hentai (Straight Blocked), Discord (Age Verification). The wording is so vague steam is affected by it.
"How to cut off every concievable service and kill own economy 101.
Lecturer and example: United Kindgom."
If even Google is affected then... Brexit might be peanuts compared to this. Wonder if Wikipedia is gonna cut UK off too? Children could learn about "harmful things" there, like what "self-harm" is. This is beyond pursuit of more control and long way into... idk what.
thegreatwolfgang said:
The petition is getting close to 100,000 signatures and the numbers are rising fast.
If it reaches that goal, the matter would be considered for debate in parliament.EDIT: Congrats, it has reached 100,000 signatures.
Now to hope the reply is something besides "after much consideration: nah, we're not gonna".
justkhajiit said:
"How to cut off every concievable service and kill own economy 101.
Lecturer and example: United Kindgom."If even Google is affected then... Brexit might be peanuts compared to this. Wonder if Wikipedia is gonna cut UK off too? Children could learn about "harmful things" there, like what "self-harm" is. This is beyond pursuit of more control and long way into... idk what.
Now to hope the reply is something besides "after much consideration: nah, we're not gonna".
Wikipedia has already threatened to block UK IPs or use a "quota" system to only allow so many connections per month
justkhajiit said:
"How to cut off every concievable service and kill own economy 101.
Lecturer and example: United Kindgom."If even Google is affected then... Brexit might be peanuts compared to this. Wonder if Wikipedia is gonna cut UK off too? Children could learn about "harmful things" there, like what "self-harm" is. This is beyond pursuit of more control and long way into... idk what.
Now to hope the reply is something besides "after much consideration: nah, we're not gonna".
The petition will do nothing, none of those petitions ever achieved anything. They will put a response saying "no" except in 300 words instead of one
Damn this shit is fucked, i don't live in the UK but i live in EU so its probably next
ryonascum said:
Damn this shit is fucked, i don't live in the UK but i live in EU so its probably next
I doubt that stuff like this would happen at EU level. I'm not sure how it will fair well with stuff like GDPR or privacy etc. On top of that, if it ever surface, we can always do an European Citizens Initiative petition, like the Stop Killing Games one, and end up on the board of discussions. And we can always contact our EU representatives etc..I feel EU is more citizen friendly than UK or US (LoL). They at least care a little bit more. Sometimes I wonder if the real reason for the Brexit support was to get the Brits politicians and big companies out of the EU eyes and regulations so that they can do whatever the fuck they want and funnel money in their pockets whatever they see fit.
ryonascum said:
Damn this shit is fucked, i don't live in the UK but i live in EU so its probably next
wildlord said:
I doubt that stuff like this would happen at EU level ...
Something is already in the works for the EU - forum #452321.
Of course, nobody hears about this stuff until it's too late though.
ryonascum said:
Damn this shit is fucked, i don't live in the UK but i live in EU so its probably next
Couldn't access any NSFW content yesterday evening. Had to switch my account's location to Canada to bypass it, but I doubt that'll last for long (and I also fear that users might get their accounts suspended for it). Edit: It got patched. RIP.
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covargo said:
All sites with pornagraphy and user generated content will be targeted with dedicated porn sites being targeted first.
All user generated sites, mod sites, discussion forums will be forced to have stringent moderation systems in place to police speech.Expect sites that are based outside the UK who refuse to cooperate will be fined 10% of their global turnover or a fixed fine whichever is higher or be blocked by ISPs if that doesn't work. Only VPNs for now can get past said blocks until they are targeted.
This law is not going away even if we have severe data breaches.
It may be modified in future but not by current government expect other countries to look at the UK as an example for their own plans.
Why is there no text box notifying everyone about the problem and the UK Petition? This site has used text boxes notifying people about similar issues in the past. Or is there a text box my settings prevent me from seeing?
Rule34 blocks access to the whole site to make people look at the text and UK Petition.
This is only going to lead to people using VPN's or going to dangerous websites with fake ID setups. With how rife cyber attacks are nowadays, I'm absolutely not going to trust a random website with my information. This is sadly another milestone towards digital surveillance. They won't stop at the UK, it'll eventually leak over to other countries.
I signed the petition, doubt anything will happen but hopefully with enough support and numbers some MP's will come to their senses.
faucet said:
Something is already in the works for the EU - forum #452321.Of course, nobody hears about this stuff until it's too late though.
Amazing how stuff like this flies under the radar. I haven't seen any info on it on reddit either. To me the biggest itch is how personal data would be handled. I think I trust EU more than US or UK gouverment, but I did not expect they had a beta version on GitHub?
Anyway, what the hell is going in the past years? Why there are attempts of more strict age regulation now and why they didn't do it 10 or 15 years ago?...
