ippiki_ookami said:
"Pending discussion" does not mean it's official. It means it's pending discussion.

But tickets BEFORE "Pending discussion" was made, where passed as its allowed. Ive seen my far share of them....so now its being discussed, but before it was petty clear it was allowed. I just hope it isnt.

Conker said:
But tickets BEFORE "Pending discussion" was made, where passed as its allowed. Ive seen my far share of them....so now its being discussed, but before it was petty clear it was allowed. I just hope it isnt.

Are the no Rp and no creepy comments back?, starting to wonder after seeing some of the recent tickets and recent records.

Butterscotch said:
Are the no Rp and no creepy comments back?, starting to wonder after seeing some of the recent tickets and recent records.

Well, at first I saw tickets replied to saying "its all good", then they changed to "pending discussion" Ive seen no update on the matter as of yet.

Conker said:
Well, at first I saw tickets replied to saying "its all good", then they changed to "pending discussion" Ive seen no update on the matter as of yet.

Try seeing here to get what I'm saying.

EDFDarkAngel1 6 days ago said:
For right now, all tickets about it are going into a pending status while it's being discussed. I have forwarded the arguments you made, along with the tickets you've sent, onto the senior management group. I am going to try and get an answer by tomorrow, but it will definitly be this week.

Are we there yet?

Come on, you can tell us how things went. We're going to be completely mature about it no matter what outcome would be.
*quickly hides torch and pitchfork behind his back*

Is it seriously taking this long to discuss this?

Really?

Patch said:
Is it seriously taking this long to discuss this?

Really?

Welcome to democracy.

Patch said:
Is it seriously taking this long to discuss this?

Really?

Well when the staff DONT tell us about removed rules and we have to figure it out on our own, yes it takes this long to discuss this.

Now I am starting to feel like this user is correct...

Foobaria said:
I wonder if they're trying to pull a Hitchhiker's Guide on this one. Make the change, don't say anything, don't point it out, don't even respond to discussion of it. Notice that each person who has come to this dicussion in the past day, in response to the rule change, has gone "What? They are?". 99% of everyone has not even noticed it happened.

We're still firmly in vocal-minority territory, here, even though so far it's unanimous. I bet a few weeks will go by, people will start to notice their comment reports are being ignored, and real discussion will pop up, at which point the administration will say "But it's been this way for weeks. Why didn't you all say something then?" to which they respond "But we had no idea." at which point they say "But it was clearly posted in the planning office on some other planet listed in the new rules.

Yep, pretty much this.

Butterscotch said:
Try seeing here to get what I'm saying.

i noticed some being handled, but a lot of the older tickets are still pending discussion.

It's still under discussion, we have several different avenues we are looking at to resolve this.

It would certainly be the fastest, but certainly not the best :)

How so? Do you want to make creepy commenting allowed and artists/character owners submit mass takedowns which means loss of art, bad reputation, and loss of users OR do you want the site to improve our rep, keep growing, and be the best furry site there is?

As of now, not allowing creepy comments is the best option

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
It would certainly be the fastest, but certainly not the best :)

It's not the best?
You sure? I mean, "ain't broken, don't fix it" comes to mind pretty snappily.

Tunguska said:
It's not the best?
You sure? I mean, "ain't broken, don't fix it" comes to mind pretty snappily.

It still required (our) manpower to handle it, we're currently looking if there aren't maybe better (and quicker) solutions.

Alas, nothing is past brainstorming currently.

I'd be fine with RPing if it:
A: Wasn't in the comments sections.
And
B: Never showed up in the "All" index of the forums.

So, perhaps a special RP section of the forums that you have to specifically select out of the drop down.
Or even a while separate section of the site with it's own link up in the header.

That way, those of us who don't want anything to do with it never have to see it, but those who want to can go have their fun.

Halite said:
I'd be fine with RPing if it:
A: Wasn't in the comments sections.
And
B: Never showed up in the "All" index of the forums.

So, perhaps a special RP section of the forums that you have to specifically select out of the drop down.
Or even a while separate section of the site with it's own link up in the header.

That way, those of us who don't want anything to do with it never have to see it, but those who want to can go have their fun.

We can use PM's for RPing

TheHuskyK9 said:
We can use PM's for RPing

Doesn't work well for multi-person, and open membership RP situations.
As long as I don't personally see it, I couldn't care less about an RP section of the site.

E6 is not an RP site, it's an image repository and library. If people wish to RP, there are any number of sites out there that are geared specifically towards aiding people in that goal.

As creepy comments detract from the overall theme and presentation of the site, so too does public roleplay. This is not the place for it.

NotMeNotYou said:
we're currently looking if there aren't maybe better (and quicker) solutions.

I seriously have to wonder how many viable alternatives there could be to "don't tell us about your fuckin' wank fantasies".

corgi_bread said:
E6 is not an RP site, it's an image repository and library. If people wish to RP, there are any number of sites out there that are geared specifically towards aiding people in that goal.

As creepy comments detract from the overall theme and presentation of the site, so too does public roleplay. This is not the place for it.

So much this.

Is it seriously taking over a week to discuss rules that clearly were a mistake to get rid of and that a majority of the userbase wants put back in place?

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
It would certainly be the fastest, but certainly not the best :)

Are you serious? Please tell me you're not serious

I can't say I'm not disappointed with the management right now, because to be brutally honest: I am extremely disappointed and a little bit disgusted.

If people want to RP on this site, they go to F-List or one of the RP channels in Furnet. If they want to be creepy, they can go to Furaffinity or reddit. This is not the site to do any of that kind of garbage. You are threatening your reputation by allowing creepy comments and roleplaying to continue. This site was known for its no tolerance towards creepy crap.

What are you gonna do when artists refuse to allow their work to be posted because the rules of creepy commenting and roleplaying are no more?

/end rant.

Suineder said:
I seriously have to wonder how many viable alternatives there could be to "don't tell us about your fuckin' wank fantasies".

Oh, not in that way, more in how we deal with it, currently you had to create a ticket and wait for one us to handle it.
What we are trying to do now is basically if we can cut us out of this, for example like youtube that you can report it, it gets hidden for you immediately and we look later if it was reported for a proper reason or not.

Problem is that we (obviously) do not wish to give the ability for abuse, so this needs some work or a different solution altogether.

This discussion drags this out.

Why we aren't currently back to the old system for the time being until the new one is drafted and eventually executed and implemented is beyond me, though.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
It would certainly be the fastest, but certainly not the best :)

What...how is this not for the best? No one wants mass take downs for creepy comments and rp posts....the rules where there for a reason, the fact its taking over a week to discuss this even though the ENTIRE USERBASE is saying they dont want creepy posts and rps...and you are ignoring that? I am starting to think the userbase no longer has any say in things, if so I might as well quit now. As I do not want to creepy creepy sexual comments or people roleplaying with images....its creepy and its not the site for this.

...IF YOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THIS SITE, LISTEN TO THE USERBASE. There is nothing to discuss when this thread has made it clear on what they want and do not want. There wasnt even a real reason to remove the rules to begin with....

Agh, someone get Ippiki in here, maybe he can talk some sense into him, if not then whats the point of being part of this site if what we say does not matter?

Conker said:
-snip-

You should really get your reading comprehension checked out, seeing how I literally talked about the "Why" in the very post above you.

NotMeNotYou said:
You should really get your reading comprehension checked out, seeing how I literally talked about the "Why" in the very post above you.

Your post wasnt there when I made mine, due to how long it took me to write mine out. Also now reading your post, why we are not back on the old system it seems you have no idea, just like everyone else. However my reply was more towards Ed, as his posts are anything but clear at this rate..

This should have been so quick, this is starting to sound like "our new masters said so and now we are pretending any discussion is happening".

This was funny levels of stupid, but has looped around to sad again . . .

NotMeNotYou said:
Why we aren't currently back to the old system for the time being until the new one is drafted and eventually executed and implemented is beyond me, though.

What is even more silly is fact that currently whether someone gets record depends on who is resolving tickets. EDF changes ticket status to under investigation. Ippiki gives neutrals.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
What is even more silly is fact that currently whether someone gets record depends on who is resolving tickets. EDF changes ticket status to under investigation. Ippiki gives neutrals.

This. That's the part that seems weird to me.

Bear in mind that EDF is new to the whole furry scene as well as admin stuff, he probably doesn't know what he's doing.

CamKitty said:
This should have been so quick, this is starting to sound like "our new masters said so and now we are pretending any discussion is happening".

This was funny levels of stupid, but has looped around to sad again . . .

Then take it from me, assuming that you still trust my word.

Yes, this is honestly being discussed, it's a topic that is brought up almost daily.

Yes, it's taking a while to figure out. This is because what the userbase is essentially asking the administration to continue doing is babysit and have to handle all this comment moderation ourselves. That's not going to work as the site continues to grow and comment reports become even more numerous, so we're working on a better solution.

You guys need to keep in mind that Varka and Dave are BD employees and have a lot more to work on during the day than just e621. I know you think not having a definitive answer on creepy comments for a few weeks is going to be the end of the site, but I assure you everything will be fine, and that Dave and Varka are both putting forth a lot of time and effort into finding a good solution for this. I assure you that I am as well.

You're either going to have to take my word for this or not. If you don't believe me, I'm not sure what I've done that would give any users here any reason to not trust me.

So, everyone just please chill out. It is being worked on.

Hey folks,

I'd just like to reply to you all to let you know what's going on, and why it's taking a while to get the 'creepy comments' and 'roleplay' topics taken care of, and a decision made on them.

Right now, I'm working on getting a final consensus together on the 'creepy comments' topic that incorporates a technical solution, as well as all the policies and guidelines and edge cases that moderators are contributing to the cause. The 'finalization' part of this process only started 2 days ago (after I started a dedicated mod/admin thread about it, rather than just person-to-person discussion), and most of us have full-time jobs, so work on these can only proceed in the evenings / once a day. Right now, the 'creepy comments' is mostly sorted; next up is going to be 'roleplay'.

Patch said:
Is it seriously taking this long to discuss this?

Really?

Patch said:
Is it seriously taking over a week to discuss rules that clearly were a mistake to get rid of and that a majority of the userbase wants put back in place?

Patch said:
Are you serious? Please tell me you're not serious

To answer your question, it unfortunately is taking 'that long' - because we want to do it right, and because all of our staff are on different timezones. Unfortunately, the phrase 'majority of the userbase' is a loaded term, and this is something that we need to rely on quantitative rather than qualitative measures for (eg, actually surveying people, rather than just 'whoever shouts the loudest' on the forums). I'm making an effort to ensure it's done correctly and incorporating everyone's viewpoints, and raising your voice isn't an acceptable method of accelerating the process.

In future, I'd appreciate it if you could use a little more respectful tone, Patch. While it doesn't phase me, I feel it's more than a little presumptuous of you to give a bunch of attitude when it's not called for - it's disrespectful to my efforts to improve the site as well as to the efforts of the other moderators. While I do understand and appreciate your frustration (I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't frustrated it was taking so long - especially for something so seemingly simple), giving a bunch of grief to those involved doesn't help.

Patch said:
I can't say I'm not disappointed with the management right now, because to be brutally honest: I am extremely disappointed and a little bit disgusted.

I'm sorry you feel that way. At the moment, I'm making more of an effort to get involved in the day-to-day communication and resolution stuff on the website and taking over more of the public-facing parts of Dave's role, and my time available is limited each day so things are progressing slower than I would like. However, I feel it's important to actually take a close look at everyone's thoughts and input before making a decision, rather than just 'handing things down on high' that I personally think make sense.

This should have been so quick, this is starting to sound like "our new masters said so and now we are pretending any discussion is happening".

Yep, I thought so too - until I started asking around my staff, and gathered up different opinions on how it should be resolved before realising that we did in fact need to figure it out before we started enforcing a new set of rules.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
What is even more silly is fact that currently whether someone gets record depends on who is resolving tickets. EDF changes ticket status to under investigation. Ippiki gives neutrals.

I'm happy to talk to my moderators about normalizing their record-issuing and other things; could you explain further what you're seeing, and if possible, link to some tickets? I'm anticipating a lot of this will get sorted out once the new policy gets published.

My intention right now is to get a policy and technical implementation done for creepy comments, and then push that live to the site together with contacting and updating all the relevant staff so they are all on the same page and are, as you quite rightly point out, are responding in a consistent way. Again, sorry it's taking so long - but the 'creepy comments' is almost done now :)

Right now I need to get back to work on my 'day job' - but I shall be making some time this evening to go work on the creepy comments stuff a bit more. :3

Thanks all,

Varka

Char said:
Yes, it's taking a while to figure out. This is because what the userbase is essentially asking the administration to continue doing is babysit and have to handle all this comment moderation ourselves. That's not going to work as the site continues to grow and comment reports become even more numerous, so we're working on a better solution.

This still doesn't answer the question, why currently creepers can't be banned like always by other staff while we're waiting for better solution.

Also I'm worried about how you're saying that current policy is babysitting. I just hope that this site is not going fimfiction.net way. (Backseat moderation is norm. Admins doesn't give a shit about community. And many many more wrong things.)

---
Haven't seen Varka comment when I was posting.

I'm happy to talk to my moderators about normalizing their record-issuing and other things; could you explain further what you're seeing, and if possible, link to some tickets? I'm anticipating a lot of this will get sorted out once the new policy gets published.

Ippiki:
https://e621.net/user_record?user_id=114479
https://e621.net/user_record?user_id=109155
https://e621.net/user_record?user_id=74297

EDF:
https://e621.net/tickets/show/7643 (It's my ticket for comment #1280831 and comment #1272822. I miss my ability to report comments.) and almost all other tickets under investigation

Many very creepy comments are put under investigation by EFD while Ippiki give bans like always.

Char said:
stuff

Ya ya, I still trust you. Fine . . .

Maybe someone modded just to yell at creepers? :P

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
EDF:
https://e621.net/tickets/show/7643 (It's my ticket for comment #1280831 and comment #1272822. I miss my ability to report comments.) and almost all other tickets under investigation

You can, the preventions are only extremely shallow.

https://e621.net/tickets/new?disp_id=#{comment}&type=comment

just replace #{comment} with the comment id, which can be obtained by hovering over the time.

Varka said:
This should have been so quick, this is starting to sound like "our new masters said so and now we are pretending any discussion is happening".

Yep, I thought so too - until I started asking around my staff, and gathered up different opinions on how it should be resolved before realising that we did in fact need to figure it out before we started enforcing a new set of rules.

Is that why the staff that already posted have no idea whats with the delay? or Ed who isnt posting any info and making it seem like its taing over a week to discuss 1 subject. How is it "enforcing a new set of rules" when the "no creepy comments/rping" has been a old rule for awhile now.

Can you even give me a reason for its removal? As so far not one admin has mentioned why its been removed. Is there even a reason other then "Office furs not bothered even though the userbase is, lets ignore them and remove it without telling anyone" ? Whats the real reason?

Varka said:

I'm happy to talk to my moderators about normalizing their record-issuing and other things; could you explain further what you're seeing, and if possible, link to some tickets? I'm anticipating a lot of this will get sorted out once the new policy gets published.

Its not about normalizing records, its about Ed putting all tickets they get on "pending discussion" for weeks, while any other ticket got by a normal admin is dealt with like it always has been. I have a lot of tickets "pending" and being ignored for now, while I notice newer tickets actually being handled by admins who have been doing a good job.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Also I'm worried about how you're saying that current policy is babysitting. I just hope that this site is not going fimfiction.net way. (Backseat moderation is norm. Admins doesn't give a shit about community. And many many more wrong things.)

Well, currently it looks like it'll be some sort of private hide function, you dislike the comment greatly, you hide it, once a couple people have hidden it it gets added onto a list which we simply look at and then act if necessary, instead of the old version where we have sometimes 4 reports on the same comment.

Would save us (and you) some time while still showing us the things that need to be dealt with and also give you more power because the decision if it is hidden for you is longer bound to admin, but instead a decision you can make, we would just decide that comment may or may not be hidden for everybody by default.

Alas, execution of this can still change, or even become something else entirely, but that is kinda what we want to do, give you guys the power to decide for yourselves and we simply clean up afterwards a little, if necessary.

Conker said:
Can you even give me a reason for its removal? As so far not one admin has mentioned why its been removed. Is there even a reason other then "Office furs not bothered even though the userbase is, lets ignore them and remove it without telling anyone" ? Whats the real reason?

Missing communication, we (the "old" staff) took if for granted and didn't check if it was gone or not, EDF and Varka didn't think it was important enough to warrant discussion or to keep.

Different people, different priorities, shit happens.

So here we are, not just reverting it but making it better in the process.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
What is even more silly is fact that currently whether someone gets record depends on who is resolving tickets. EDF changes ticket status to under investigation. Ippiki gives neutrals.

Until the new policy/system is implemented, users are still being held to the same standards they were before the discussion. Namely, if they post comments that upset people, they will be booped. Note that the records I gave were for comments that were really bad.

And if things change, we can always just go back and remove the records.

Varka said:
Stuff.

Sorry for my attitude. Didn't mean to come off like that, but it's frustrating to see all this.

NotMeNotYou said:
Well, currently it looks like it'll be some sort of private hide function, you dislike the comment greatly, you hide it, once a couple people have hidden it it gets added onto a list which we simply look at and then act if necessary, instead of the old version where we have sometimes 4 reports on the same comment.

Would save us (and you) some time while still showing us the things that need to be dealt with and also give you more power because the decision if it is hidden for you is longer bound to admin, but instead a decision you can make, we would just decide that comment may or may not be hidden for everybody by default.

Alas, execution of this can still change, or even become something else entirely, but that is kinda what we want to do, give you guys the power to decide for yourselves and we simply clean up afterwards a little, if necessary.

I like this idea. It allows for more customized control over what you personally see, reducing drama and butthurt.

And it creates tickets automatically for when several people seem to agree a comment is something they don't want to see, reducing duplicate individual tickets or mass downvoting a comment with no one bothering to actually report it. So in both extremes it makes it a little more efficient, and helps the moderators investigate it.

It's actually more democratic than the current system is since tickets would be from the community as a whole instead of just one person's opinion. I think it's a pretty good idea.

ippiki_ookami said:
Until the new policy/system is implemented, users are still being held to the same standards they were before the discussion. Namely, if they post comments that upset people, they will be booped. Note that the records I gave were for comments that were really bad.

And if things change, we can always just go back and remove the records.

Yeah but only you seem to be handling it. I reported a few creepy ass comments that where really bad, yet Ed just made them "pending discussion" for about 2 weeks now -.- By the time the "discussion is over" the comments will be a month old and he probally wont even say anything to the users.

NotMeNotYou said:
Well, currently it looks like it'll be some sort of private hide function, you dislike the comment greatly, you hide it, once a couple people have hidden it it gets added onto a list which we simply look at and then act if necessary, instead of the old version where we have sometimes 4 reports on the same comment.

Would save us (and you) some time while still showing us the things that need to be dealt with and also give you more power because the decision if it is hidden for you is longer bound to admin, but instead a decision you can make, we would just decide that comment may or may not be hidden for everybody by default.

That actually sounds kinda nice.

Suineder said:
That actually sounds kinda nice.

That's what I thought, however it is still up to discussion and could change, we obviously do not know if that is easily implemented or if there may be other drawbacks, we'll see.

ippiki_ookami said:
Note that the records I gave were for comments that were really bad.

And the ticket I've made was about comments that was also really bad.

NotMeNotYou said:
Well, currently it looks like it'll be some sort of private hide function, you dislike the comment greatly, you hide it, once a couple people have hidden it it gets added onto a list which we simply look at and then act if necessary, instead of the old version where we have sometimes 4 reports on the same comment.

Would save us (and you) some time while still showing us the things that need to be dealt with and also give you more power because the decision if it is hidden for you is longer bound to admin, but instead a decision you can make, we would just decide that comment may or may not be hidden for everybody by default.

How is it going to work with regular vote system? I hope that it is not going to be merged with them because there are comments that I would vote down now, but not because there are against rules.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but does this mean that single person would no longer have possibility to report a comment for a single user, but instead you have to hide it and pray that there would be more people who saw this comment and bother to also hide it. This would be just bad.

I'll wait with definite judgment until I know all the facts, but I'm rather worried about suggested changes. I'm especially skeptical to slogans about giving more power to users when it comes to moderation. Usually it means that comments/threads/blips would become as bad as those on youtube/fimfiction/facebook/other site that have attitude that if user sees offending comment that is only the user's problem.

But feature to blacklist single comments sounds really good.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
-snip-

Well, everything is still being discussed, I doubt the report function will go away and it would be downright bad if, for example, harassment would need to be reported by more than one person to be brought up to our attention as well as we are aware that the current form leaves room for abuse, however that is the reason why it's still being discussed, we do wish on making this right, not rushed.

And no, we do not wish to become youtube where comments go unchecked, we may or may not make adjustments how some types of reports are created but we don't plan on allowing martial law in the comments section.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
[...]But feature to blacklist single comments sounds really good.

This would consume all of your available space on the blacklist. I mean, comment ids go farther than 1'000,000 (latest is comment #1282135)

@Xch3l
I was referring to this:

some sort of private hide function, you dislike the comment greatly, you hide it

which not necessarily would be made like the current blacklist.

@NotMeNotYou
As I said I would wait with full judgment until it's decided, but I'm a little more assured now that it won't very bad. (Don't take my reluctance personally - I'm just negative minded asshole after all. ;))

NotMeNotYou said:
Well, everything is still being discussed, I doubt the report function will go away and it would be downright bad if, for example, harassment would need to be reported by more than one person to be brought up to our attention as well as we are aware that the current form leaves room for abuse, however that is the reason why it's still being discussed, we do wish on making this right, not rushed.

And no, we do not wish to become youtube where comments go unchecked, we may or may not make adjustments how some types of reports are created but we don't plan on allowing martial law in the comments section.

Please dont do this, if it takes more then 1 user report for stuff to be brought to the staff's attention, then a lot of users will get away with things due to only 1 user noticing them. By the time there is a 2nd report the comment is already too old to do anything of.

Also if no creepy comments rule is returning, can it be for threads as well? Example:https://e621.net/forum/show/45950?page=1

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Many very creepy comments are put under investigation by EFD while Ippiki give bans like always. [list of references]

Thanks for the references; I will try and get a consensus on if we should continue enforcing the 'old policy' as Ippiki is, or if we should hold off on doing such until the new one's ready (this weekend, I hope).

Conker said:
Can you even give me a reason for its removal? As so far not one admin has mentioned why its been removed. Is there even a reason other then "Office furs not bothered even though the userbase is, lets ignore them and remove it without telling anyone" ? Whats the real reason?

Yep; we forgot to include it in the rewritten rules, and we only noticed that they weren't there when we needed to use it: this, basically -

NotMeNotYou said:
Missing communication, we (the "old" staff) took if for granted and didn't check if it was gone or not, EDF and Varka didn't think it was important enough to warrant discussion or to keep.

Different people, different priorities, shit happens.

So here we are, not just reverting it but making it better in the process.

Conker said:
Please dont do this, if it takes more then 1 user report for stuff to be brought to the staff's attention, then a lot of users will get away with things due to only 1 user noticing them. By the time there is a 2nd report the comment is already too old to do anything of.

Thanks for your feedback, Conker. What I think we'll end up doing is making it so that all comments with at least 1 report will show up in the list, and it'll be ordered by 'number of reports' and filtered by 'time since last report'. That way, based on amount of load, we can take a look at all comments that get reported if we have time, while still getting to the most-reported ones first. :)

Patch said:
Sorry for my attitude. Didn't mean to come off like that, but it's frustrating to see all this.

That's completely okay, Patch - we all get frustrated when something we care about deeply seems to be going downhill; especially due to something easily preventable. What matters most is taking that frustration and turning it into constructive discussion - something I'm trying to make easier by opening channels for such :) You can help out by making sure not to come off as abrasive or presumptuous, as I've found that's a pretty sure-fire way of getting people to react to your emotional state instead of your actual message! Also remember that anyone is welcome to send me DMail if they have concerns that they want raise - I will actually do my best to respond to them :p

Conker said:
Please dont do this, if it takes more then 1 user report for stuff to be brought to the staff's attention, then a lot of users will get away with things due to only 1 user noticing them. By the time there is a 2nd report the comment is already too old to do anything of.

Also if no creepy comments rule is returning, can it be for threads as well? Example:https://e621.net/forum/show/45950?page=1

We'll just have to implement a creepy comment mailing list...

Varka said:

Yep; we forgot to include it in the rewritten rules, and we only noticed that they weren't there when we needed to use it

I dont wish to sound rude or call anyone a liar but.....I find this a bit hard to believe. Unless Ed just saw the lack of rule and started to mark creepy tickets as "its all good" there seems there was some discussion of the rule removal from his unclear comments. ...At least thats how it looks like it from looking over the comments he made in this thread and seeing his old tickets where he posted "its all good" ignoring the reports. However I'll trust you and take your word on it that it was just a mistake...

I am however glad this mix up is being cleared up, I just hope if its only a mixup someone will handle the tickets, as I still have tickets that are weeks old now, by the time they are handled it will be a month from now -.-

Just a question, I dont see this in the COC but I have heard that red marks on users accounts will now start disappearing after 6 months? is this true?

If so isnt this a bad thing? as a user can basically break rules, wait for the remark to poof, just to have another admin let them off easy without being able to see older history?

If this isnt correct then please excuse this post, but if it is...why isnt this mentioned anywhere?

Conker said:
Just a question, I dont see this in the COC but I have heard that red marks on users accounts will now start disappearing after 6 months? is this true?

If so isnt this a bad thing? as a user can basically break rules, wait for the remark to poof, just to have another admin let them off easy without being able to see older history?

If this isnt correct then please excuse this post, but if it is...why isnt this mentioned anywhere?

Well one assumes they learn, especially if they have to behave correctly for 6 months. I've always felt neutrals at least should do this

CamKitty said:
Well one assumes they learn, especially if they have to behave correctly for 6 months. I've always felt neutrals at least should do this

For neutrals to disappear? yeah I kinda agree.

Peekaboo said:
Well, it depends. In my opinion - the mods/admins should still be able to see them.

If you joined, were an excitable younger person, then commited a bunch of minor offenses that got you lots of neutrals, then came back when you were more mature and reasonable- Would you want that held against you? Would it be fair if it was? Not saying that's going to be the majority case, but.

Peekaboo said:
A lot of the times when I report bad taggers, they have a lot of neutral marks already for bad tagging, then it is needed.

Well if someone doesn't repeat offense for 6 months (or whatever) then one assumes they learned. I guess the key thing would be stricter penalties for repeat stuff (or removal of tagging privilege if they are causing issues? I dunno). I do think neutrals should go after a while though. If admins wanted to leave a lasting slap on someone, there are reds for that.

Stricter penalties might be a bad idea currently however. Neutrals are being given out so easy right now you would think they were candy on halloween :o

Just to clarify, as it currently stands, a person who messes up gets a neutral which, if they don't mess up for 6 months, falls off. If they mess up again in those 6 months for the same thing (bad tagging, for example) it's a permanent negative Warning.

Hope that helps :)

Ah, ok. That makes sense. =^.^=

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Just to clarify, as it currently stands, a person who messes up gets a neutral which, if they don't mess up for 6 months, falls off. If they mess up again in those 6 months for the same thing (bad tagging, for example) it's a permanent negative Warning.

Hope that helps :)

I call liar. I still have a neutral from two years ago. ;P

123easy said:
I call liar. I still have a neutral from two years ago. ;P

True, you do :)

The Code of Conduct states that Notifications (which are neutral) fall off after 6 months.

Clarification for the clarification! One more, and we have inception.

Question, whats going on with the very very old tickets yet? Where they ever handled?

Conker said:
Question, whats going on with the very very old tickets yet? Where they ever handled?

News - Nov 10, 2013 (4 days ago)

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Apologies for a few tickets having gone one month or more without being resolved. Most were handled by other admins at the time and were just never closed. If an issue was not resolved please file a new ticket and it will be handled ASAP

Conker said:
Question, whats going on with the very very old tickets yet? Where they ever handled?

Done.
(Had to go back 35 days. Hooray for statute of limitations)

ippiki_ookami said:
Done.
(Had to go back 35 days. Hooray for statute of limitations)

Thank you f0r handling it. I had a feeling by the time this was discussed by upper staff they be too old to do anything >.>

Code of Conduct has been updated to the most recent version! Here is a list of things that changed:

Update 10.31.13 (previous version)
Changed formatting to be more clear
Changed Contact to Senior Management
Changed Aaron's title to Admin/Takedowns
Changed Dave's title to Community Manager
Some type and grammatical changes
Added suggested suspension lengths to each applicable category
Clarified the consequences of the Age Restriction category
Changed the bannable offenses to state "may" instead of "will"
Changed discinplinary action "Warning" to be a negative record instead of neutral
Added category Creepy Comments

Update 11.4.13
Changed name from "Community and Forums Code of Conduct" to "Community Code of Conduct and Site Rules"
Added category "Backseat Moderating"
Added category "Role-Play"
Added category "Refusal to Use Blacklist
Added category "Tagging Abuse/Tagging Vandalism"

Update 11.6.13
Added category "Abuse of Site Tools"
Added category "Posting Abuse"

Update 11.7.13
Expanded "Abuse of Site Tools"
Expanded "Posting Abuse"

Update 11.13.13
Added Intent to all categories from the Admin CoC
Clarified intent for category "Age Restrictions"
Added to intent for category "Circumventing a Suspension / Ban"
Removed category "Cross Linking Forum Threads"
Clarified intent for category "Creating Duplicate Forum Threads"
Expanded category "Abuse of Site Tools"
Clarified intent for category "Creepy Comments"
Clarified intent for category "Discussing Disciplinary Actions"

Update 11.14.13
Expanded intent for category "National Hatred"
Clarified intent for category "Impersonating an Employee or Moderator"
Typo fixes and adjustments

Update 11.18.13 (current version)
Updated intent for category "Creating Duplicate Forum Threads"
Clarified category "Refusal to Use Blacklist"
Clarified intent for category "Refusal to Use Blacklist"
Expanded category "Abuse of Site Tools"
Added exception to category "Abuse of Site Tools"
Added additional contact info

This system I like :o

Just for archival/ cross referencing:

Also, I fixed the dtext in "Contact Information" and "These guys can help you with questions in a language besides English.".

No idea why but office broke that.

Edit: More DText fixed, this time in the "Code of Conduct Policy Categories" section.

Peekaboo said:
"Refusal to Use Blacklist
Suggested Suspension Length: 3 to 7 days
This category includes:

Creating posts, threads, or comments that complain about artwork that can be blacklisted
Wrongfully claiming lack of knowledge about the blacklist system to avoid punishment from the previous rule
This is intended to reduce or eliminate the complaints that users make about seeing a certain type of content on the site. If a user chooses, or refuses, to utilize the blacklist, but continues to complain about content they find offensive or unsatisfactory, then this rule may be enforced. Additionally, if a user finds a post that is incorrectly tagged and willingly chooses to complain about seeing it instead of placing the correct tag, this rule may also be enforced then."

This is the best part of this update, in my opinion.

Agreed