I wonder if they're trying to pull a Hitchhiker's Guide on this one. Make the change, don't say anything, don't point it out, don't even respond to discussion of it. Notice that each person who has come to this dicussion in the past day, in response to the rule change, has gone "What? They are?". 99% of everyone has not even noticed it happened.

We're still firmly in vocal-minority territory, here, even though so far it's unanimous. I bet a few weeks will go by, people will start to notice their comment reports are being ignored, and real discussion will pop up, at which point the administration will say "But it's been this way for weeks. Why didn't you all say something then?" to which they respond "But we had no idea." at which point they say "But it was clearly posted in the planning office on some other planet listed in the new rules.

Foobaria said:
I wonder if they're trying to pull a Hitchhiker's Guide on this one. Make the change, don't say anything, don't point it out, don't even respond to discussion of it. Notice that each person who has come to this dicussion in the past day, in response to the rule change, has gone "What? They are?". 99% of everyone has not even noticed it happened.

We're still firmly in vocal-minority territory, here, even though so far it's unanimous. I bet a few weeks will go by, people will start to notice their comment reports are being ignored, and real discussion will pop up, at which point the administration will say "But it's been this way for weeks. Why didn't you all say something then?" to which they respond "But we had no idea." at which point they say "But it was clearly posted in the planning office on some other planet listed in the new rules.

You may have a point, perhaps this rule is just a distraction from a even worse one....agh, I am starting to dislike where this is going.

Also, what about the tickets that are already marked thats nothing is wrong for the creepy comments? Are they just getting a free pass now?

https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=e621%3Arules

as long as the rules say don't be creepy, it's still a rule. Dave isn't dumb enough to get rid of that rule, a rule profoundly important to a furry websites health.

Aurali said:
https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=e621%3Arules

as long as the rules say don't be creepy, it's still a rule. Dave isn't dumb enough to get rid of that rule, a rule profoundly important to a furry websites health.

If that is the case, then why do most of the tickets handled recently for creepy sexual comments now say "Handled by EDFDarkAngel1
Response: Thank you for your report. As stated in previous ticket, as long as they are not talking about sex acts with a real-life animal or similar, it's all good."

...whats gets me is, Ive seen a few other tickets handled by other admins and they have kept to the no creepy comment rule. I dont even think "removing the no creepy comment rule" was even discussed before now.

Ratte said:
Needs more "no creepy comments" because holy christ some of the latest ones are just terrible. Why this was removed, I really don't know. We don't need to know how you see a "nice, thick, delicious, otter butt that absolutely NEEDS deep penetration" or how you would "make that ass fold every time I thrust in and out I'll close my eyes and listen to my body ram his."

This is ridiculous.

I'll end this comment with a quote from null...as it perfectly sums up our and my feelings on the matter.

null0010:"We do not want to hear about what buttholes on what elephants you have fallen into in real life. We don't want to hear about what buttholes on what elephants you have fallen into in fantasies, either. Do not tell us about your sexual desires or escapades, it is not what the commenting function is for. See: howto:comment "

Conker said:
If that is the case, then why do most of the tickets handled recently for creepy sexual comments now say "Handled by EDFDarkAngel1
Response: Thank you for your report. As stated in previous ticket, as long as they are not talking about sex acts with a real-life animal or similar, it's all good."

...whats gets me is, Ive seen a few other tickets handled by other admins and they have kept to the no creepy comment rule. I dont even think "removing the no creepy comment rule" was even discussed before now.

I'll end this comment with a quote from null...as it perfectly sums up our and my feelings on the matter.

null0010:"We do not want to hear about what buttholes on what elephants you have fallen into in real life. We don't want to hear about what buttholes on what elephants you have fallen into in fantasies, either. Do not tell us about your sexual desires or escapades, it is not what the commenting function is for. See: howto:comment "

This.

The no creepy comments rule is very important to have, because comments like these are one of the main reasons many artists or character owners dislike their art being posted here.

Conker said:
If that is the case, then why do most of the tickets handled recently for creepy sexual comments now say "Handled by EDFDarkAngel1
Response: Thank you for your report. As stated in previous ticket, as long as they are not talking about sex acts with a real-life animal or similar, it's all good."

Someone link Dave to barbados.. please? for the love of god. I don't think he's understanding what he's unleashing.. Poor site won't survive.

Foobaria said:
I wonder if they're trying to pull a Hitchhiker's Guide on this one. Make the change, don't say anything, don't point it out, don't even respond to discussion of it. Notice that each person who has come to this dicussion in the past day, in response to the rule change, has gone "What? They are?". 99% of everyone has not even noticed it happened.

We're still firmly in vocal-minority territory, here, even though so far it's unanimous. I bet a few weeks will go by, people will start to notice their comment reports are being ignored, and real discussion will pop up, at which point the administration will say "But it's been this way for weeks. Why didn't you all say something then?" to which they respond "But we had no idea." at which point they say "But it was clearly posted in the planning office on some other planet listed in the new rules.

He is fully aware of the backlash concerning this rule change. Just because people aren't staging a coup on the forums doesn't mean that people aren't talking to him in private about it. His administration team is making it very clear to him how much people don't like this change.

corgi_bread said:
He is fully aware of the backlash concerning this rule change. Just because people aren't staging a coup on the forums doesn't mean that people aren't talking to him in private about it. His administration team is making it very clear to him how much people don't like this change.

If its taken this long for someone to notice this rule removal, and not even other admins noticed until now....then this tells us this was never discussed about with any of the user base, or most of the admins. Who knows what other rule change that could be hiding now...the idea it could be even worse worries a lot of users now. This unclear mass rule change has to be handled differently then it is now, or this site will lose most of its users and artists.

Conker said:

If its taken this long for someone to notice this rule removal, and not even other admins noticed until now....then this tells us this was never discussed about with any of the user base, or most of the admins. Who knows what other rule change that could be hiding now...the idea it could be even worse worries a lot of users now. This unclear mass rule change has to be handled differently then it is now, or this site will lose most of its users and artists.

Don't jump off the deep end of conspiracy, here. I don't think the administration is being malicious: I think it's being stupid and foolish, and a bit deceitful because of it. Kind of like "if I don't make a big deal about it, I bet they won't notice".

It's another kind of bet: [How much will the "core" users tolerate just because they've already got a time investment in the site?] and [How much impact can the "core" users (a minority) affect the site's bottom line overall, when the majority of users visit the site so shallowly that some don't even notice it has a forum?].

Foobaria said:
Don't jump off the deep end of conspiracy, here. I don't think the administration is being malicious: I think it's being stupid and foolish, and a bit deceitful because of it. Kind of like "if I don't make a big deal about it, I bet they won't notice".

It's another kind of bet: [How much will the "core" users tolerate just because they've already got a time investment in the site?] and [How much impact can the "core" users (a minority) affect the site's bottom line overall, when the majority of users visit the site so shallowly that some don't even notice it has a forum?].

I dont think it was being malicious. I just think this rule removal was passed without any discussion with most of the admins, its entire userbase or any other real thought put into the matter.

This whole thing just sinks...not addressing the member base, hidden info not mentioned, and too much unclear bits in this...its deceitful and wrong. I just honestly dont like to see where this site is going under the current way this is being handled, and I fear if something doesnt change to fix things it will just get worse with time. First it will be removing the no creepy rule, then who knows what new rule will appear or what old rule will magically poof...It worries me.

The no creepy comment rule was made for a reason, and I dont see any reason for its removal. It should be a rule carved in gold around here, not tossed in the trash. Without it, a lot of artists and users wouldnt use the site at all, and this site would just become another creepy site full of even more creepy comments that no normal person would want to be around or read...and I dont want to see E621 turn into that ever. I think our fellow users can agree with me on this.

Aurali said:
Someone link Dave to barbados.. please? for the love of god. I don't think he's understanding what he's unleashing.. Poor site won't survive.

https://e621.net/comment/search?query=user%3Abarbados

Conker said:
I just think this rule removal was passed without any discussion with most of the admins

Trust me, they were aware of it and opposed it. It's being reviewed now though, so stop panicking.

corgi_bread said:
Trust me, they were aware of it and opposed it. It's being reviewed now though, so stop panicking.

It's strange, it seems like everyone, except one, was like "Hell no" and yet . . .

Tunguska said:
Mr. EDFDarkAngel, if we're getting rid of the "creepy comments" rule, I think we ought to bring back everyone who was banned because of it!

I mean, it is technically an unfair ban, now. We could also invite everyone we shoo'd away because they were, at the time, below comment quality standards. But now they're completely fine!
It'll be a grand old time!

Oh, we'll bring back stink, we'll bring back BHDragn, we'll bring back this guy!

We can bring back G.Sly, we bring back american-lotus and asslover and this person and this guy!

We'll extend an invite to AligaTOR, we'll RSVP dragonrump!
You and you and you; and you get an invite, and YOU get an invite, YOU get an invite, YOU get an invite! Everybody gets an invite!

And 'lo, we'll bring back our one true lord and savior, the one king of the city of on the hill (vaginally)

Uh, no.
They, at the time of their punishment, intentionally broke a rule.
This shows a disregard for the rules, and therefor their punishment is appropriate.

It's just like when they legalize marijuana they don't let all the drug offenders out of jail.

Halite said:
Uh, no.
They, at the time of their punishment, intentionally broke a rule.
This shows a disregard for the rules, and therefor their punishment is appropriate.

It's just like when they legalize marijuana they don't let all the drug offenders out of jail.

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Exactly.

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I'd believe that the first post there was joking, and maybe some of the people who agreed, but I'm 99% certain that at least 1 person there actually meant it.

Halite said:
I'd believe that the first post there was joking, and maybe some of the people who agreed, but I'm 99% certain that at least 1 person there actually meant it.

Yeah, but you quoted the one user who was legitimately taking the piss.

CamKitty said:
It's strange, it seems like everyone, except one, was like "Hell no" and yet . . .

I'm also against it, it is just that someone wanted to build himself a solution even though it already exists and more importantly, Dave already knows my stance on this, so it isn't needed to say the same thing twice.

corgi_bread said:
Yeah, but you quoted the one user who was legitimately taking the piss.

Just cuz they were the first post about it, I was contemplating quoting a different one, but it felt odd.

So, the administration opposed it, and the head of the site decided to not only pass it in spite of that but also without even putting it out beforehand? Basically "my way or the highway"?

Yeah, fuck it: Site's dead. I'm just going to log out and view anonymously, until the day it goes the way of Gelbooru and I stop coming altogether.

Y'all have fun.

Foobaria said:
So, the administration opposed it, and the head of the site decided to not only pass it in spite of that but also without even putting it out beforehand? Basically "my way or the highway"?

Yeah, fuck it: Site's dead. I'm just going to log out and view anonymously, until the day it goes the way of Gelbooru and I stop coming altogether.

Y'all have fun.

Happy trails, Buddy Rowe.

Foobaria said:
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They always come back :3

OK, plan worked perfectly - Foobaria's gone. Someone should tell EDFDarkAngel1 that since it's all over now we can ban for creepy comments again!

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
OK, plan worked perfectly - Foobaria's gone. Someone should tell EDFDarkAngel1 that since it's all over now we can ban for creepy comments again!

Well creepy comments do make users not to use the site and artists not wanting their art on the site....Its no shock to see users leave

By the way, is this creepy jerking ooff thread... https://e621.net/forum/show/45950 now allowed? I mean....they are talking about real life things....yet it still remains...please can we have the no creepy comment rule back :V

Hey everyone, sorry about my delayed response in this. Some time before this was brought up here, an email was sent to the Bad Dragon senior management asking for a review of the creepy comment edit that we did.

It is true, the e621 administration did oppose the change and I was fairly neutral on it. I have not yet heard a consensus, so I will be pressing the issue in the meeting tomorrow to get an answer one way or the other. I will be pushing to get it reverted back to what it was. I will be making it more clear as to what constitutes a "creepy" comment, so it's not quite as ambiguous as it is now.

Of course, I will let you guys know as soon as I know.

Peekaboo said:
Please do, that rule is one of the reasons we stayed on here.

Not me, I stayed because of the tagging (way easier to find pics here than any other site), and eventually started to like posting pictures :P

After reading an entire page of comments I missed, I feel the need to clarify some things.

One of them is that, while you guys have your opinions and have shared them (thank you for that, by the way, that's what this is here for), this is not the entirety of the argument. The people who pay the server bills and whom I meet with regarding this site have some very valid concerns regarding the creepy rule as well, concerns that have just as much merit as yours. I have to be fair and include everyone.

I will be working on a way to satisfy both parties and make sure the reasons for this rule are clear.

Also, while I do appreciate people's opinions, it does not serve anyone well to assume that your opinion is the opinion of everyone. If that were true, there wouldn't have been an argument for case in either direction. Also, citing one ticket example as the basis and precedence for all tickets is inaccurate, and wrongful. Especially since the majority of the tickets are stating "pending discussion of the creepy rule change."

Just know that I am personally neutral on the issue. I am pretty hard to offend, so when I see a ticket of a "creepy comment", I have to ask myself what is creepy about it. Most of them time, I see a post that mentions that they want to fap to it or have sex with it, if it were something in front of them that they could have sex to. Part of me understands that people might get offended by that, much like I can see how people would get offended by like 99% of the content on the site. Part of me understands that this is an adult-themed furry art site and that fapping is just one of those things that happens. It's like watching Redtube and making it a site rule to not masturbate.

I can even go further with the Redtube analogy and state that I would understand why they wouldn't allow sexual commentary about their videos on the forums (do they even have forums?).

But anyway, there are good opinions on both sides. For right now, all tickets about it are going into a pending status while it's being discussed. I have forwarded the arguments you made, along with the tickets you've sent, onto the senior management group. I am going to try and get an answer by tomorrow, but it will definitly be this week.

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
Just know that I am personally neutral on the issue. I am pretty hard to offend, so when I see a ticket of a "creepy comment", I have to ask myself what is creepy about it. Most of them time, I see a post that mentions that they want to fap to it or have sex with it, if it were something in front of them that they could have sex to. Part of me understands that people might get offended by that, much like I can see how people would get offended by like 99% of the content on the site. Part of me understands that this is an adult-themed furry art site and that fapping is just one of those things that happens. It's like watching Redtube and making it a site rule to not masturbate.

Yes, but there's a reason why we are not Redtube. There's a difference between fapping in general and announcing to the whole site you're fapping while you're fapping. Users don't want to know want to know that stuff dude. Why would we want to see "OMG she's so fucking hot, she made me flood my room with cum"?

TheHuskyK9 said:
Yes, but there's a reason why we are not Redtube. There's a difference between fapping in general and announcing to the whole site you're fapping while you're fapping. Users don't want to know want to know that stuff dude. Why would we want to see "OMG she's so fucking hot, she made me flood my room with cum"?

This. Also if you or someone else don't want to care about user, than care about artist, and character owners who may be a little pissed off because of that type of comments. Since they can't block them or remove like on artist centered sites than probably takedown request will follow.

Not every art on this site is about shitting dicknipples. For example, if I was an artist who made some kind of romantic, and only slightly erotic picture I would feel rather uncomfortable when I would saw someone commenting that xe wants to lick my character's anus clean.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Yes, but there's a reason why we are not Redtube. There's a difference between fapping in general and announcing to the whole site you're fapping while you're fapping. Users don't want to know want to know that stuff dude. Why would we want to see "OMG she's so fucking hot, she made me flood my room with cum"?

Oh no, I get it, I was just stating that there was an opposition and that's one of their arguments. Both of them are valid, it's just going to take some debating to see which one wins in the end.

Remember that there are people who like things that you don't. Someone even correctly commented that people upvote posts that others called "creepy". It's not a unanimous opinion, but it is still valid.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
This. Also if you or someone else don't want to care about user, than care about artist, and character owners who may be a little pissed off because of that type of comments. Since they can't block them or remove like on artist centered sites than probably takedown request will follow.

Not every art on this site is about shitting dicknipples. For example, if I was an artist who made some kind of romantic, and only slightly erotic picture I would feel rather uncomfortable when I would saw someone commenting that xe wants to lick my character's anus clean.

You're right about this as well. It's not that we don't care about the users, we care about everyone. Everyone has equal weight, and we look at it all.

I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't just sit by and watch this happen. I can think of a few reasons why we shouldn't allow creepy comments:

Artists and character owners will file mass takedowns due to seeing people creeping all over their characters. These takedowns already happen from time to time, but this will increase them exponentially. End result: a massive loss of art.

Users will be subjected constantly to comments they don't want to see. This will make them less likely to explore the comments and click on art, and eventually they will leave the site entirely, which has already happened just from the discussion alone. End result: Fewer traffic and users.

People can't blacklist creepy comments like they can with content (other than blacklisting the user, which they shouldn't have to do). So creepy comments will continue to be reported daily, as they are now. The staff will be forced to close the tickets without taking action (against our will), which will make it look as though we condone these comments, which we don't. None of us do. This will create discord and friction between the staff and users, making it more difficult for us to do our jobs. End result: Animosity and distrust between users and moderators.

Whether or not you and these people who pay the server bills think these comments are okay is barely even a factor, because almost nobody else agrees. That should be obvious from reading the posts in this thread. I've proposed ideas in the past that users didn't like, and you know what I did? I said "okay" and dropped the subject, because the people are what matter. The people making this decision don't seem like they even have the users' interests in mind. Someone up there thinks to themselves "hmm, creepy comments wouldn't bother me, so let's not restrict them at all." They can make this decision because they aren't the ones being affected, we are. Other than the substantial loss of ad revenue from the people who quit the site of course.

I love this site because it holds itself to a higher standard than any other furry site out there. By allowing people free reign to post offensive comments, we are essentially flushing these standards down the toilet. We have a small handful of people making a decision that 90%+ will disagree with, and these people won't even take the time to talk to us, as if they think we are beneath them. If you don't think that will cripple the site, then I don't know what to tell you. I'd ask these people to post in the topic how they can possibly justify this, but I'm sure they won't.

This shouldn't even be a decision. There's nothing to discuss. Do something that people will hate, or leave it as is, and make people happy. That's all there is to it. This is a debate between a few people sitting in an office, and almost the entire userbase. If the few people still win, then that will mean our opinions mean nothing, and who wants to be a part of a site run like that?

ippiki_ookami said:
I am more than confident the new management has nothing but the site's best interests at heart.

Please don't prove me wrong.

^^^ Damn right

Peekaboo said:
Usually when I see a post I like, I read the comments, have a laugh if someone says something funny, or appreciate constructive comments about said post.

But... on some posts. I frown instead because I see comments like "hehe murr i wanan suck her asshole xD just liek i do to my boyfriend huehue".

Thisx1000

@ippiki_ookami: Exactly.

ippiki_ookami said:
[...]People can't blacklist creepy comments like they can with content (other than blacklisting the user, which they shouldn't have to do). [...]

Does'nt work anymore... :/ Except on forums, but that feature isn't really needed here.

Seriously Ippiki, you hit the nail on the head with this one.
Good job.

Huh, Ippiki beat me to most things I was going to say.

Besides that this isn't not wanting to see things that offend us. This IS COMMON SENSE that you don't say shit like that on a site where the art can be pulled if the artist gets in the wrong mood.

And this "divide" you keep bringing up seems to be "BD staff with no history with the site or knowledge of the creepers" and the rest of the site. Maybe they are thinking the creepers will buy more animal dildos, I dunno. They better hope so, because most of the normal people will leave eventually

CamKitty said:
Huh, Ippiki beat me to most things I was going to say.

Besides that this isn't not wanting to see things that offend us. This IS COMMON SENSE that you don't say shit like that on a site where the art can be pulled if the artist gets in the wrong mood.

And this "divide" you keep bringing up seems to be "BD staff with no history with the site or knowledge of the creepers" and the rest of the site. Maybe they are thinking the creepers will buy more animal dildos, I dunno. They better hope so, because most of the normal people will leave eventually

I doubt it, I'm a normal guy, and I've bought quite a few of their dildos.
Like, 20+.

ippiki_ookami said:
I wasn't going to say anything, but I can't just sit by and watch this happen. I can think of a few reasons why we shouldn't allow creepy comments:

Artists and character owners will file mass takedowns due to seeing people creeping all over their characters. These takedowns already happen from time to time, but this will increase them exponentially. End result: a massive loss of art.

Users will be subjected constantly to comments they don't want to see. This will make them less likely to explore the comments and click on art, and eventually they will leave the site entirely, which has already happened just from the discussion alone. End result: Fewer traffic and users.

People can't blacklist creepy comments like they can with content (other than blacklisting the user, which they shouldn't have to do). So creepy comments will continue to be reported daily, as they are now. The staff will be forced to close the tickets without taking action (against our will), which will make it look as though we condone these comments, which we don't. None of us do. This will create discord and friction between the staff and users, making it more difficult for us to do our jobs. End result: Animosity and distrust between users and moderators.

Whether or not you and these people who pay the server bills think these comments are okay is barely even a factor, because almost nobody else agrees. That should be obvious from reading the posts in this thread. I've proposed ideas in the past that users didn't like, and you know what I did? I said "okay" and dropped the subject, because the people are what matter. The people making this decision don't seem like they even have the users' interests in mind. Someone up there thinks to themselves "hmm, creepy comments wouldn't bother me, so let's not restrict them at all." They can make this decision because they aren't the ones being affected, we are. Other than the substantial loss of ad revenue from the people who quit the site of course.

I love this site because it holds itself to a higher standard than any other furry site out there. By allowing people free reign to post offensive comments, we are essentially flushing these standards down the toilet. We have a small handful of people making a decision that 90%+ will disagree with, and these people won't even take the time to talk to us, as if they think we are beneath them. If you don't think that will cripple the site, then I don't know what to tell you. I'd ask these people to post in the topic how they can possibly justify this, but I'm sure they won't.

This shouldn't even be a decision. There's nothing to discuss. Do something that people will hate, or leave it as is, and make people happy. That's all there is to it. This is a debate between a few people sitting in an office, and almost the entire userbase. If the few people still win, then that will mean our opinions mean nothing, and who wants to be a part of a site run like that?

Please don't prove me wrong.

I love you. You said everything I wanted to say.

Ball's in your court.

Thanks Ippiki for saying succinctly and intelligently what we were all feeling and trying to say in that regard.

ippiki_ookami said:
I don't know how they do things at BD, but around here, if you're mistreated by a staff member (regardless of position), it will be rectified by the other staff. We hold each other accountable for our actions, and if you truly don't deserve what was done to you, it will be undone swiftly.

So much for that then.

Since we're still discussing rule changes here, I'd like to address this one again:

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
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Discussing Disciplinary Actions
This category includes:
Creating forum posts, threads or comments to discuss disciplinary actions taken against a member, including chat logs and email correspondence between a member and an administrator/moderator
Creating forum threads or posting comments to discuss disciplinary actions taken against a content post, or other submission to the site
*Link to public records is located at https://e621.net/user_record
*If you have a question about a disciplinary action, please contact the admin or site owner via dmail

This is bad.
Improper moderation must be discussed publicly, or it inherently promotes unfairness against the person being punished.

If the punishment was appropriate, then the forum goers will simply agree with it and tell them to be quiet.
If it is unwarranted then an inability to discuss it where people can see the discussion leads to further punishment to silence the person who was wronged.

“Healing takes place when grievances are given ample and patient space to be acknowledged, when there is transparency and honesty, when everybody is given the chance to be heard, when nobody is excluded, when people can accept the energy of the conflict and use it as a major opportunity for growth.”
― Franco Santoro

I just want to say that I'm rather concerned about neutrals for silly things. Actually I wonder... If comment #1270365 was "Harassing or Defamatory" then should I get warning for "National Hatred" for blip #5700?

It really looks like you can interpret rules very freely, but for some reason you don't want to interpret them the way that would, for example, leave creepiness out of the forum. At least half of this tickets under investigation could be interpreted as trolling, or something else. And it would make more sense than this warning.

Really unnecessary and over the top warnings for good users like Foob and Halite (and trying to force fighting ridiculous warnings into secret), and protecting the creepers instead. E621: "Don't be helpful, we only want creepy people"

Are they trying to end the site? Or are warnings given as a vendetta thing now?

*sigh*

I hate to even suggest it, but EDF really ought to never hand out punishments directly if he's the only person to appeal to.
It forces the punished to appeal to the person who made the decision.

Or, create a different form of appeal, of name an admin that is the EDF appeal person?
So if you have an appeal of anyone else, you go to EDF, but if you feel EDF punished you unfairly you can go to the backup-appeal admin instead of complaining about EDF to EDF?

I realize that there's a "senior management" option, but making an appeal to people who aren't even on this site regularly (openly at least) seems off too.

CamKitty said:
Really unnecessary and over the top warnings for good users like Foob

>Foobaria
>Good user

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Okay. He had that coming for a long time now.

Guys, I just realized something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in CoC there is nothing about roleplaying. At all. With no creepy rule there is now nothing that prevents things like in post #162094 from happening again. D:

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Guys, I just realized something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in CoC there is nothing about roleplaying. At all. With no creepy rule there is now nothing that prevents things like in post #162094 to happen again. D:

probably

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Guys, I just realized something. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in CoC there is nothing about roleplaying. At all. With no creepy rule there is now nothing that prevents things like in post #162094 from happening again. D:

Oh fuck, I had a feeling we where missing something....its like "Hey guys there are new rules that will effect nothing from being added to the site! ...Just ignore the fact that we removed a ton of rules for no reason without mentioning it to anyone or in any change log....Shhhh..."

But seriously, Please tell me the management isnt so stupid to not only trash not only the creepy comment rule, but trashed the no role-playing rule as well...I thought they had more sense then this. Whats going on?. Why is it we have to find this hidden info on this stuff....why is there no change log..? why is there noone telling the users about these hidden changes or discuss any of these changes? ...This path the site is going down is beginning to worry me now.

What? "No RP" and "No Creepy Comments" are closely tied. One involves the other.

I thought you guys were using a Wiki for the CoC because it has a History of changes. Hell, even the general guidelines has its own history of changes

https://e621.net/blip/show/5722

If true about that last one... =>.<=

Xch3l said:
I thought you guys were using a Wiki for the CoC because it has a History of changes.

There's still no visible wiki page for it.

I suggested it a week ago (pages 6-7), based on other peoples' comments about not being able to keep up with changes to the text, but the idea was nixed because '[the CoC is] in its editing phase'...

leo_nine said:
There's still no visible wiki page for it.

I suggested it a week ago (pages 6-7), based on other peoples' comments about not being able to keep up with changes to the text, but the idea was nixed because '[the CoC is] in its editing phase'...

I remembered that but could'nt remember who did it. Here it is: forum #87002 and your reply to EDFDarkAngel1: forum #87007. And I agree with you, the wiki has a diff option in which you can see its changes. Also, besides of that, you (admins, not you leo) should do a changelog (similar to what I'm doing, current version completely visible with a timestamp and previous versions hidden in a section to avoid walls of text), instead of just writing the date of the last change (which isn't there anymore).

I guess we should make a copy of it in its current state and compare it each now and then... in fact, I'll just take the current one as the first.

Peekaboo said:
So now creepy comments AND roleplaying is allowed?
I'm glad to see that E6 is heading in such a good direction.

The End Is Nigh!

Peekaboo said:
So now creepy comments AND roleplaying is allowed?
I'm glad to see that E6 is heading in such a good direction.

Yeah, I am gonna put a takedown on my fursona's images if that shit is allowed.

Disgusting.

Patch said:
Yeah, I am gonna put a takedown on my fursona's images if that shit is allowed.

Disgusting.

See this ^^^

More of this will happen

Patch said:
Yeah, I am gonna put a takedown on my fursona's images if that shit is allowed.

Disgusting.

Don't worry Patch we'll make sure to murr the bajeezus outta you.

But seriously, the only good thing I can honestly see coming out of letting the whole rp thing slide is for the hilarity of it all. Because going through some of the users who had been previously banned because of the creepy roleplay with characters was quite a fun experience.

Moon_Moon said:
Don't worry Patch we'll make sure to murr the bajeezus outta you.

But seriously, the only good thing I can honestly see coming out of letting the whole rp thing slide is for the hilarity of it all. Because going through some of the users who had been previously banned because of the creepy roleplay with characters was quite a fun experience.

Oh god please no.

And I see nothing good coming from the RP rules and the creepy comments rule no longer being enforced. There are alot of artists who don't like creepy comments. By allowing the comments, what are the artists gonna think? Why would they want to allow people to post their art to e621 if people are just gonna be over the top and creepy as hell?

Patch said:
Oh god please no.

And I see nothing good coming from the RP rules and the creepy comments rule no longer being enforced. There are alot of artists who don't like creepy comments. By allowing the comments, what are the artists gonna think? Why would they want to allow people to post their art to e621 if people are just gonna be over the top and creepy as hell?

On top of that, a lot of character owners and some artists consider e6 a "site of stolen art"

Moon_Moon said:

But seriously, the only good thing I can honestly see coming out of letting the whole rp thing slide is for the hilarity of it all. Because going through some of the users who had been previously banned because of the creepy roleplay with characters was quite a fun experience.

If we allow rp posts and creepy comments, the quality of this site will be flushed down the toilet in seconds....

Maybe since the admins don't want it easier, find other bs reasons to punish the creepers? I mean, recent neutrals show that they can be earned for the smallest and dumbest things, so just say they were "trolling" or something :P

Conker said:
If we allow rp posts and creepy comments, the quality of this site will be flushed down the toilet in seconds....

But weren't we just discussing how it is currently allowed as of recently?
Furthermore, I am not supporting the creepy comments, I'm just trying to see some sort of good given a shitty situation...

Moon_Moon said:
Allowing:
>Creepy comments
>Rping posts

I'm just trying to see some sort of good given a shitty situation...

There is nothing good about that situation.

ticket #7555
So it's not only my guess. It's official - roleplaying is not against rules currently. :/

BTW, if we really must have creepy people on the site wouldn't it make more sense to, for example, create separate subforum for them, and ban them from public view anyway?

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
ticket #7555
It's official - roleplaying is not against rules currently. :/

let's yiff

This is going downhill from here...

The site, I mean. Creepy comments and public role-playing have NEVER been allowed, now what? Artists are gonna start leaving, increasing the size of our DNP list. Opinion on e621 is gonna turn ugly...

I don't think anyone can stress this enough: WE DO NOT WANT THE RULE TO BE LIFTED[/b]

Munkelzahn said:
let's yiff

munkel get out im piss

Patch said:
munkel get out im piss

You are piss? LOL
I guess it's better than being shit :-/

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
ticket #7555
So it's not only my guess. It's official - roleplaying is not against rules currently. :/

BTW, if we really must have creepy people on the site wouldn't it make more sense to, for example, create separate subforum for them, and ban them from public view anyway?

"Pending discussion" does not mean it's official. It means it's pending discussion.