Topic: [BUR] x_raping_y -> x_rape

The bulk update request #12894 is pending approval.

Reason:

alias gynomorph_raping_female -> gynomorph_rape
alias gynomorph_raping_male -> gynomorph_rape
alias gynomorph_raping_andromorph -> gynomorph_rape
alias gynomorph_raping_gynomorph -> gynomorph_rape
alias gynomorph_raping_herm -> gynomorph_rape
alias gynomorph_raping_maleherm -> gynomorph_rape
alias gynomorph_raping_ambiguous -> gynomorph_rape
alias herm_raping_female -> herm_rape
alias herm_raping_male -> herm_rape
alias herm_raping_andromorph -> herm_rape
alias herm_raping_gynomorph -> herm_rape
alias herm_raping_herm -> herm_rape
alias herm_raping_maleherm -> herm_rape
alias herm_raping_ambiguous -> herm_rape
alias maleherm_raping_female -> maleherm_rape
alias maleherm_raping_male -> maleherm_rape
alias maleherm_raping_andromorph -> maleherm_rape
alias maleherm_raping_gynomorph -> maleherm_rape
alias maleherm_raping_herm -> maleherm_rape
alias maleherm_raping_maleherm -> maleherm_rape
alias maleherm_raping_ambiguous -> maleherm_rape

alias ambiguous_raping_female -> ambiguous_rape
alias ambiguous_raping_male -> ambiguous_rape
alias ambiguous_raping_andromorph -> ambiguous_rape
alias ambiguous_raping_gynomorph -> ambiguous_rape
alias ambiguous_raping_herm -> ambiguous_rape
alias ambiguous_raping_maleherm -> ambiguous_rape
alias ambiguous_raping_ambiguous -> ambiguous_rape
alias anthro_raping_anthro -> anthro_rape
alias anthro_raping_feral -> anthro_rape
alias anthro_raping_human -> anthro_rape
alias anthro_raping_humanoid -> anthro_rape
alias anthro_raping_taur -> anthro_rape
alias feral_raping_anthro -> feral_rape
alias feral_raping_feral -> feral_rape
alias feral_raping_human -> feral_rape
alias feral_raping_humanoid -> feral_rape
alias feral_raping_taur -> feral_rape
alias human_raping_anthro -> human_rape
category human_raping_feral -> general
alias human_raping_feral -> human_rape
alias human_raping_human -> human_rape
alias human_raping_humanoid -> human_rape
alias human_raping_taur -> human_rape

alias humanoid_raping_anthro -> humanoid_rape
alias humanoid_raping_feral -> humanoid_rape
alias humanoid_raping_human -> humanoid_rape
alias humanoid_raping_humanoid -> humanoid_rape
alias humanoid_raping_taur -> humanoid_rape
alias taur_raping_anthro -> taur_rape
alias taur_raping_feral -> taur_rape
alias taur_raping_human -> taur_rape
alias taur_raping_humanoid -> taur_rape
alias taur_raping_taur -> taur_rape

Veteran users hate x_verbing_y tags and have wanted to get rid of them for a long time, but no formal request has ever been made. I proposed beginning by retiring the x_penetrating_y tags since those were the largest, but that was rejected, as users prefer to keep penetrating as the lone exception. I proposed removing x_raping_y next, but it got buried under the first request and people suggested I make a separate thread for it. That brings us here.

See also topic #42000 for a proposed rephrasing of x_rape tags.

These should be x_raping, because x_rape is ambiguous as to whether x is being raped or doing the raping. These aliases can't be made if x_rape is aliased to x_raping, or these aliases would need to be undone before x_rape can be aliased to x_raping.

watsit said:
These should be x_raping, because x_rape is ambiguous as to whether x is being raped or doing the raping. These aliases can't be made if x_rape is aliased to x_raping, or these aliases would need to be undone before x_rape can be aliased to x_raping.

Which I already pointed out, to which was said "It's still illogical to make an alias request to tags that don't yet exist."

donovan_dmc said:
Which I already pointed out, to which was said "It's still illogical to make an alias request to tags that don't yet exist."

Which is still true. I format my BURs based on what is currently true, not on hypotheticals that might happen some day maybe, because that is the only course of action that makes sense. I'm genuinely baffled you're arguing otherwise.

If the admins want to make a statement (such as approving the other BUR to make the terminology change official), I'll update the BUR accordingly. Until then, it stays as-is.

beholding said:
Which is still true. I format my BURs based on what is currently true, not on hypotheticals that might happen some day maybe, because that is the only course of action that makes sense. I'm genuinely baffled you're arguing otherwise.

If the admins want to make a statement (such as approving the other BUR to make the terminology change official), I'll update the BUR accordingly. Until then, it stays as-is.

And until then you'll continue to collect downvotes, so... I'm not sure what you're expecting?

donovan_dmc said:
And until then you'll continue to collect downvotes, so... I'm not sure what you're expecting?

I'm not going to change my BUR because some people choose to vote illogically. Nothing is stopping you from making a competing BUR if you wish.

I still find this hair-splitting ridiculous. I linked the other BUR in the OP, no admin is going to approve this one without knowing the other exists. Why can't you just vote on the actual concept and leave the administrative hair-splitting to the administrators?

beholding said:
I'm not going to change my BUR because some people choose to vote illogically. Nothing is stopping you from making a competing BUR if you wish.

I still find this hair-splitting ridiculous. I linked the other BUR in the OP, no admin is going to approve this one without knowing the other exists. Why can't you just vote on the actual concept and leave the administrative hair-splitting to the administrators?

Considering the BURs to make the changes are universally upvoted this isn't something that is up in the air on maybe happening, they will happen eventually
Being stubborn about it doesn't really help anyone

As already mentioned on topic #60877, creating the BUR this way would actively undermine existing discussions and widely agreed upon changes suggested on topic #42000 to phase out the use of *_rape in favour of *_raping/*_raped.

By pitting yourself against it shows that you are implicitly against the above changes and do not intend to follow the community consensus, instead choosing to go about your own way.
What's more baffling is that you explicitly voted for the above changes, which makes this current BUR suggestions even more unreasonable.
The not-so-surprising results are as seen here with your BUR getting mass-downvoted again.

And no to answer your question on the other thread. While general simple alias requests don't have this issue, BURs will fail to be processed if there is a conflicting alias/implication attached to the tags involved.
In this case, your BUR getting passed first will hinder the other BUR from being passed, and vice versa.
To resolve this, we would have to request another BUR to unalias everything again to get the other BUR to work, and then redo your current BUR once more with the right alias target.

This gives me Deja Vu

donovan_dmc said:
Considering the BURs to make the changes are universally upvoted this isn't something that is up in the air on maybe happening, they will happen eventually

Given the admins have had 2 years to approve it and have not done so, and the only admin comment in the thread is against it, that is far from a reasonable assumption.

thegreatwolfgang said:
By pitting yourself against it shows that you are implicitly against the above changes and do not intend to follow the community consensus, instead choosing to go about your own way.

"If you base your requests based on how the site currently works and not what other people want to happen, you're against what other people want to happen" is an absurd thing to think. I don't count my chickens before they hatch, and neither should you.

Again: I have no objections to altering the BUR if the other one passes, and there's nothing stopping you from making a competing BUR. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

beholding said:
Given the admins have had 2 years to approve it and have not done so, and the only admin comment in the thread is against it, that is far from a reasonable assumption.

There are so many AIBURs being processed that that is not a surprising wait time, especially considering that only select admins can approve BURs.

The only admin comment there was @spe questioning whether or not it is any different from dominant_*/submissive_*. It's not even a hard 'no' or 'meh' vote on the BURs.

"If you base your requests based on how the site currently works and not what other people want to happen, you're against what other people want to happen" is an absurd thing to think. I don't count my chickens before they hatch, and neither should you.

Again: I have no objections to altering the BUR if the other one passes, and there's nothing stopping you from making a competing BUR. You're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, that the very people who voted for the other BUR would also vote against this BUR?
Considering that the same people also believe that *_rape is ambiguous/vague and should be phased out?

"2 years is a reasonable wait time for a request with unanimous support" is an absolutely buckwild thing to say, even knowing how backlogged the admins are. It's not like it's an obscure request; the admins have known about it for a long time, and they've made the deliberate choice to defer approval. I don't know why they've made that choice, but they have, and we have to work around that.

For the third time: Make your own BUR if it really bothers you so much.

beholding said:
"2 years is a reasonable wait time for a request with unanimous support" is an absolutely buckwild thing to say, even knowing how backlogged the admins are. It's not like it's an obscure request; the admins have known about it for a long time, and they've made the deliberate choice to defer approval. I don't know why they've made that choice, but they have, and we have to work around that.

It's not a secret that nobody really wants to handle the AIBUR queue because of the workload required, see forum #375579 & forum #380114.

Making the speculation that the admins are deliberately deferring approval for some ulterior motive is an even wilder thing to say.
Even if that were the case, it would have zero impact on what people already believe about the continued use of *_rape.

For the third time: Make your own BUR if it really bothers you so much.

I'm not going to redo this BUR for you because I don't have a strong opinion with the use of *_raping_*.

If you want to phase out the *_raping_* tags, you can either do it properly or watch it be dead in the water again because you refuse to acknowledge the community consensus.
I already told you what the community consensus is in regard to *_rape; the votes above also already tell you what the current community consensus is with your own BUR.

Don't act confused when this BUR eventually gets rejected again and ask why people can't make up their minds with retiring x_verbing_y or use the argument that people "vote illogically."