The tag alias #65701 cooking_with_scalies -> cooking_with_furs has been rejected.

Reason: This tag definitely needs a better name, but for now, might as well clean up this synonym tag.

EDIT: The tag alias cooking_with_scalies -> cooking_with_furs (forum #387774) has been rejected by @Wandering_Spaniel.

The tag alias cooking_with_scalies -> cooking_with_furs (forum #387774) has been rejected by @Wandering_Spaniel.

The bulk update request #7944 is pending approval.

Reason: Actually no. Let's just try and find a better name. How about character_prepared_as_food, from topic #40079
(character_as_food and butchered_character were also suggested, but I worry as_food could be confused with regular vore and butchered sounds to me like they have to be cut up.)

I think there may be value in having separate tags for the forms, mainly for separating out ferals prepared as food, that feels like a very different situation from an anthro/human/humanoid/taur. Thoughts on that? or the tag name?
(gonna be perfectly real here though, I will not be going through this tag myself to add the subtags. sorry lol)

And finally I do feel like cooking_vore is probably safe to alias to character_prepared_as_food... not sure why that was moved to invalid
After:
alias cooking_vore -> character_prepared_as_food

BTR is from topic #40079just so that it's clear for the approvers

Bump, anybody have any objections or can we push this through?

In vore circles this is usually referred to as "prep vore", or "preparation". Sometimes even "pre-vore". You could argue it's not "vore" until they're consumed, but... that's just the most common nomenclature I've encountered for this specific fetish. If we don't like that name I'd at least include it as an alias.

https://aryion.com/g4/tags.php?tag=Preparation

Thanks! Added prep_vore and preparation_vore as aliases

I wonder if feral_prepared_as_food should be kept separate… I feel like it’s going to be used for a lot of stuff like post #4186120. That is technically a feral being prepared as food, but it’s just like some random fish that’s going to be eaten, not like someone’s actual character. But then a recognizable feral character in that same situation definitely feels like it should have a tag like this. I’m still always running into the problem of how to keep actual vore and vore-related things like this separate from just regular animal-eating, and I don’t really know what to do about it.

spe said:
I wonder if feral_prepared_as_food should be kept separate… I feel like it’s going to be used for a lot of stuff like post #4186120. That is technically a feral being prepared as food, but it’s just like some random fish that’s going to be eaten, not like someone’s actual character. But then a recognizable feral character in that same situation definitely feels like it should have a tag like this. I’m still always running into the problem of how to keep actual vore and vore-related things like this separate from just regular animal-eating, and I don’t really know what to do about it.

It's a tricky question; I don't know much to distinguish between post #4186120 and something like post #1497547 from a TWYS perspective (aside from them being alive in the latter, but I think it would hold if they weren't).
For just about any requirement I can think of, either for or against, there are counterexamples.

spe said:
I wonder if feral_prepared_as_food should be kept separate… I feel like it’s going to be used for a lot of stuff like post #4186120. That is technically a feral being prepared as food, but it’s just like some random fish that’s going to be eaten, not like someone’s actual character. But then a recognizable feral character in that same situation definitely feels like it should have a tag like this. I’m still always running into the problem of how to keep actual vore and vore-related things like this separate from just regular animal-eating, and I don’t really know what to do about it.

It is really tough. We can skip the form_prepared_as_food tags for now though, maybe they're not necessary for the moment?

wandering_spaniel said:
It is really tough. We can skip the form_prepared_as_food tags for now though, maybe they're not necessary for the moment?

I think for forms other than feral, the implication would always make sense. feral, though, I feel like might need some further discussion.

EDIT: also, I feel like character_prepared_as_food might be a bit of an unnecessary mouthful. for the subtags the *_prepared_as_food format makes sense, but is there a reason to not use something like preperation_vore or maybe vore_preperation as the main tag?

dba_afish said:
I think for forms other than feral, the implication would always make sense. feral, though, I feel like might need some further discussion.

EDIT: also, I feel like character_prepared_as_food might be a bit of an unnecessary mouthful. for the subtags the *_prepared_as_food format makes sense, but is there a reason to not use something like preperation_vore or maybe vore_preperation as the main tag?

would imply the character is actively being eaten after being prepared, to me. vore_preperation might be good though, although with the downside that vore typically means being consumed whole, which isn't necessarily the case here. (hard_vore is a thing, but it's kind of the exception that proves the rule, in that it's considered its own category).

dba_afish said:
EDIT: also, I feel like character_prepared_as_food might be a bit of an unnecessary mouthful. for the subtags the *_prepared_as_food format makes sense, but is there a reason to not use something like preperation_vore or maybe vore_preperation as the main tag?

scth said:
preperation_vore would imply the character is actively being eaten after being prepared, to me. vore_preperation might be good though, although with the downside that vore typically means being consumed whole, which isn't necessarily the case here. (hard_vore is a thing, but it's kind of the exception that proves the rule).

Vore_preparation is excellent! Great idea!

And yeah I didn't want to go with any name ending in vore because it's not the act of eating. But vore_preparation avoids that problem I think.

The bulk update request #9176 is pending approval.

create alias cooking_with_furs (1230) -> vore_preparation (0)
create alias cooking_with_scalies (149) -> vore_preparation (0)
create alias cooking_with_humanoids (92) -> vore_preparation (0)
change category cooking_vore (0) -> general
create alias prep_vore (0) -> vore_preparation (0)
create alias preparation_vore (0) -> vore_preparation (0)

Reason: Alternative BUR with vore_preparation and no form subtags

Character_prepared_as_food is clunky, but I feel it does eliminate non-vore meat/fish preparation. There might be some grey area, but unless it's a Sausage Party situation a steak is usually pretty clearly not a character.

regsmutt said:
Character_prepared_as_food is clunky, but I feel it does eliminate non-vore meat/fish preparation. There might be some grey area, but unless it's a Sausage Party situation a steak is usually pretty clearly not a character.

I think vore_preparation does that just as well, without being anywhere near as clunky.

My biggest hesitation is that vore_preparation could be taken as imminent vore essentially. Like preparing someone to be swallowed or eaten traditional vore style... instead of the more butchering/cooking/food-prep type of concept. What we're looking for is almost more of the human-style processes of food preparation. As opposed to, I guess, wild nature styles of eating?

Cooking_with_furs was always clunky and imaginative, but the main plus was that it was at least it clear how it was different from any other kind of vore. Even if it always sounded like an off-beat cooking channel show to me. But I digress.

I'd lean more towards cooking_vore to be honest. Out of all of these options so far.

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Another concern: looking at the threads for that tag so far, topic #29862 and topic #28753 both threads seem to have strong feelings that essentially 'without consumption being shown it does not equal vore'. Apparently. Now I am no expert on vore, but I can see how the two things have different feels. So maybe so. I know that vore enthusiasts can get pretty passionate about what is or isn't 'vore' in ways that to outsiders just seemed 'close enough'. But if it's true that it's not considered true vore, then naming it after vore might be a bad direction? Idk

So are there are any vore aficionados who can weigh in on that aspect?

furrypickle said:
My biggest hesitation is that vore_preparation could be taken as imminent vore essentially. Like preparing someone to be swallowed or eaten traditional vore style... instead of the more butchering/cooking/food-prep type of concept. What we're looking for is almost more of the human-style processes of food preparation. As opposed to, I guess, wild nature styles of eating?

Cooking_with_furs was always clunky and imaginative, but the main plus was that it was at least it clear how it was different from any other kind of vore. Even if it always sounded like an off-beat cooking channel show to me. But I digress.

I'd lean more towards cooking_vore to be honest. Out of all of these options so far.

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Another concern: looking at the threads for that tag so far, topic #29862 and topic #28753 both threads seem to have strong feelings that essentially 'without consumption being shown it does not equal vore'. Apparently. Now I am no expert on vore, but I can see how the two things have different feels. So maybe so. I know that vore enthusiasts can get pretty passionate about what is or isn't 'vore' in ways that to outsiders just seemed 'close enough'. But if it's true that it's not considered true vore, then naming it after vore might be a bad direction? Idk

So are there are any vore aficionados who can weigh in on that aspect?

It's been a long time since I've interacted with the vore community, and I can't say my interactions were that deep when I did.

But from a purely twys perspective, "vore" is a kind of an umbrella/theme tag, and there are a number of 'vore' tags that are often not vore. Anal_vore and unbirthing are examples, but that's a rant for another thread.

I think that the question is if "vore" can be kept as a theme tag while excluding non-vore images. Even the concept of a character displayed like served food can be quite grey.
Is this vore or bondage?
post #171007
Is this vore or foodplay?
post #1416560
Is this vore?
post #2969802

regsmutt said:
It's been a long time since I've interacted with the vore community, and I can't say my interactions were that deep when I did.

But from a purely twys perspective, "vore" is a kind of an umbrella/theme tag, and there are a number of 'vore' tags that are often not vore. Anal_vore and unbirthing are examples, but that's a rant for another thread.

I think that the question is if "vore" can be kept as a theme tag while excluding non-vore images. Even the concept of a character displayed like served food can be quite grey.
Is this vore or bondage? ... Is this vore or foodplay? ... Is this vore?

I wouldn't consider any of those vore (and I really don't like cooking_vore, for the same reason I don't like preparation_vore; the image itself isn't the act of eating, so it's not a type of vore).
The first two I could consider vore_preparation though, following the theme. The third, probably not; that's a food_creature, not a creature prepared as food, which I'd consider a different concept entirely.
They also aren't exclusive; the first is definitely bondage. The second I wouldn't consider foodplay though, since the character isn't sexually interacting with the other food.

furrypickle said:
My biggest hesitation is that vore_preparation could be taken as imminent vore essentially. Like preparing someone to be swallowed or eaten traditional vore style... instead of the more butchering/cooking/food-prep type of concept. What we're looking for is almost more of the human-style processes of food preparation. As opposed to, I guess, wild nature styles of eating?

This is a fair point; preparing a creature to be eaten without using any form of food preparation could count under a literal interpretation. However, the vast majority of imminent_vore doesn't involve preparing the prey in any direct way, aside from perhaps occasionally shrinking a character. I think this would be uncommon enough that it would still be entirely usable.

Another concern: looking at the threads for that tag so far, topic #29862 and topic #28753 both threads seem to have strong feelings that essentially 'without consumption being shown it does not equal vore'. Apparently. Now I am no expert on vore, but I can see how the two things have different feels. So maybe so. I know that vore enthusiasts can get pretty passionate about what is or isn't 'vore' in ways that to outsiders just seemed 'close enough'. But if it's true that it's not considered true vore, then naming it after vore might be a bad direction? Idk

So are there are any vore aficionados who can weigh in on that aspect?

That's why I'm so against using anything in the form *_vore for this, which would mean * as a subtype of vore. vore_* doesn't really have that problem.

scth said:
I wouldn't consider any of those vore (and I really don't like cooking_vore, for the same reason I don't like preparation_vore; the image itself isn't the act of eating, so it's not a type of vore).
The first two I could consider vore_preparation though, following the theme. The third, probably not; that's a food_creature, not a creature prepared as food, which I'd consider a different concept entirely.

The first is kinda questionable, and moreso the second one. Food_play is a thing, where food is used as a catalyst for or during foreplay (lathering sauce on someone to lick it off, have other food on or around the person to dip and/or eat it off of them), with no intention of eating the character themself. With bondage, it can also be viewed more as a humiliation kink, or a "vore play", where a character is treated as if they're going to be eaten but aren't really, as some form of display of domination/submission with no intention to actually vore anyone. Having "vore" in a tag that applies to situations like these I think would give the wrong impression, and lead to vore getting more overtagged than it already is.

regsmutt said:
Is this vore or bondage?
post #171007
Is this vore or foodplay?
post #1416560
Is this vore?
post #2969802

none of these are vore preperation, the first two are fully alive characters sitting on a serving tray/plate; they are being presented in a way that an already prepared food would be, they are not being prepped to be made into food. the other one is just a food creature existing.

vore preperation should be for situations where a character (or a character's corpse) is being essentially treated like meat to be processed or an ingredient to be used. in my opinion this should range from an alive character with markings on their body denoting cuts of meat, to a character's body or parts of their body being either prepared to be cooked, being actively cooked, or being eaten after being cooked. and in addition it should also be applied to stuff like a flora fauna or a food creature's body being used as an ingredient in a salad or other dish.

if they're not being chopped up, cooked, or otherwise prepared as food, than it shouldn't apply.