STUPID SEXY LOPIN >:L <3

Dammit. And I would actually fuck him, too. Good thing I could probably buy him for a week with a quarter.

So Fancy.

I feel so bad poor lopin gets roughed up, mah heaaaaart </3

Arknoodler said:
I feel so bad poor lopin gets roughed up, mah heaaaaart </3

You should put that behind a spoiler but yes, mah heaaart as well.

There. Now quit it with the tag edits.

Ratte said:
Keep it as female.

What happened to TWYS?

Mutisija said:
nothing..? if character looks like female, then its tagged as female.

The character is male. Everyone is trying to tag him as a girl. Just tag the picture 'ambiguous gender' and 'girly'. That's all that I'm trying to say.

Mutisija said:
when character looks like female and there is no contradictory traits, then ambiguous gender tag doesnt really fit.

The only reason you're saying that is because of the eyelashes. I don't see any visible breasts or anything in the dialogue to suggest that he's a girl. Tag it correctly.

Mutisija said:
its not only eyelashes. while the face is feminine, the body shape is very feminine too (look at the hips and thighs). body shape in general counts in gender tagging.

That's exactly what the 'girly' tag is for. There have been several instances where the tag was used when the character is female, but the point is that a male character can look like a girl. This picture is a case of that.

Mutisija said:
im not gonna bother to argue any more abt this but i recommend reading this page:
howto:tag genders

Oh, that's rich. You're not even going to argue against the girly tag, but you'll ignore that it says explicitly at the top that those are guides, not rules.

It doesn't look male. We do not tag according to lore. This isn't ambiguous, it looks female, thus it gets the female tag.

Ratte said:
It doesn't look male. We do not tag according to lore. This isn't ambiguous, it looks female, thus it gets the female tag.

No breasts or anything to imply he's a girl. It's ambiguous at best.

ROTHY said:
No breasts or anything to imply he's a girl. It's ambiguous at best.

Flat-chested females exist.

Regardless, it has a feminine face and body structure (wide hips and thighs, narrower waist). Keep female.

I don't understand why you've let this argument grow this big. You could have just solved this by just listening to me keeping the tags where they were, but nooo, you had to have things your way according to you. It's just one fucking picture! Are you seriously going to argue that every feminine ambiguously gendered character is a girl?

Ambiguous_gender is used when it is not clear one way or the other what the gender is. You have numerous female traits (wide hips, wide thighs, narrower waist, feminine facial structure, very pronounced eyelashes) and only one ambiguous trait (flat chest). This is female by TWYS. If you could see the actual male traits (genitals and/or pecs) then this would be different.

I solve problems by giving the actual solution. I give this argument for any gender tag war. Whether or not you agree with it is really not my problem.

Ratte said:
Ambiguous_gender is used when it is not clear one way or the other what the gender is. You have numerous female traits (wide hips, wide thighs, narrower waist, feminine facial structure, very pronounced eyelashes) and only one ambiguous trait (flat chest). This is female by TWYS. If you could see the actual male traits (genitals and/or pecs) then this would be different.

I solve problems by giving the actual solution. I give this argument for any gender tag war. Whether or not you agree with it is really not my problem.

That applies to 90% of trap art. Go police the girly tag if you're that stubborn about this.

Or you could just listen like you're expected to.

Ratte said:
Or you could just listen like you're expected to.

You're not even refuting my point.

I don't bother seeking out these situations. If I have to come in and say anything, it's because the situation was reported. If something is reported, I am obligated to step in. Whether or not you like it, I could really care less.

Female tag stays. I have given reasons. You don't like them and I don't care. That is the tag this will keep. If I find the tag has been changed away from female, you will receive a negative record. Simple.

Ratte said:
I don't bother seeking out these situations. If I have to come in and say anything, it's because the situation was reported. If something is reported, I am obligated to step in. Whether or not you like it, I could really care less.

Female tag stays. I have given reasons. You don't like them and I don't care. That is the tag this will keep. If I find the tag has been changed away from female, you will receive a negative record. Simple.

I want a second opinion.

Lol what even is this conversation? I think the gender tagging is stupid anyways, which is why I don't use it when searching for images.

ROTHY said:
I want a second opinion.

It looks like a flat_chested female.

Fav'd and upvoted because it's female.

You think I could buy him permanently for a $20 and a sushi dinner?

NotMeNotYou said:
It looks like a flat_chested female.

And, yet it's a male. How odd.

If I was more gay than bi, I'd hit that man lizard ass faster than the Millenium Falcon on the Kessel Run (cheesiest line, I know).

Novalight said:
And, yet it's a male. How odd.

Great, but we don't tag according to canon, we tag according to appearance.

Also, hi Lulz.

The comic stated that females have fluffy tails. His tail is bare. I see a male yinglet.

Krikken said:
The comic stated that females have fluffy tails. His tail is bare. I see a male yinglet.

*fluffy tail ends* Ima derp. Anyways it is an appearance detail to their species. I don't know if that is taken into account or not. It should. ah well have a nice day everyone!

Guy or girl, I'd buy that for a shiny dollar.

Ratte said:
Great, but we don't tag according to canon, we tag according to appearance.

Also, hi Lulz.

Krikken said:
The comic stated that females have fluffy tails. His tail is bare. I see a male yinglet.

I see the species tagged as yinglet which is odd if you clame not to tag bassed on cannon since the species comes from the same cannon. Now if you just want to ignore that and continue tagging TWYS why not use the species defining characteristics to make that call. I see a yinglet with no plumage on its tail. Female yinglets will typically have plumage on the end of their tails and muzzles shorter than the average males. Male yinglets do not have naturally occurring plumage on their tails and have longer muzzles. As this yinglet does not have the female sexual characteristic of tail plumage it is male.

So going by TWYS I see a male.

Basically I see no obvious genitalia and a lack of breasts and its body type matches a male yinglet, so it has a masculine body type.
Now following the Horizontal Gender-tagging Flowchart under the howto:tag genders guide I get.

Genitals? unk
____Breasts? n
________Body type? mas - [male]

So it should be tagged male.

If an admin can explain to me why we wouldn't use the species characteristics to make our decision on a furry website please do so.

Otherwise I feel like you're just being spesiest lumping one species into a definition of gender that doesn't describe its gender system accurately. ( Lol using a SJW tactic so that if you disagree it looks like you don't care about gender politics and are a dick) (SJWs are the worst aren't they)

But seriously if you're an admin and can explain why this is not the case please do so.

perfect_society said:
should be tagged

Don't bother. It doesn't matter if the whole site disagrees, they're not going to budge.

perfect_society said:
If an admin can explain to me why we wouldn't use the species characteristics to make our decision on a furry website please do so.

Otherwise I feel like you're just being spesiest lumping one species into a definition of gender that doesn't describe its gender system accurately. ( Lol using a SJW tactic so that if you disagree it looks like you don't care about gender politics and are a dick) (SJWs are the worst aren't they)

But seriously if you're an admin and can explain why this is not the case please do so.

I'm not a admin but I think this problem is down to users misunderstanding what the "tag what you see" system is about. It's not about describing the image. It's about helping people find what they are looking for when searching. When some one searches female it's more important they find characters that fit what they are looking for then are definitively female.

That is why things like species and character are tagged, but those characters or species gender do not carry over into tags. Now my assumption could be completely wrong but that's my take on it.

Frazone said:
It's about helping people find what they are looking for when searching. When some one searches female it's more important they find characters that fit what they are looking for then are definitively female.

As far as I'm aware, you're pretty much right. The only reason it's so controversial is that some people believe the context behind what they see is just as important as what's visible, while some people only care about how it looks; the latter might seem shallow to the former, and the former might seem arbitrary to the latter. Since they both have solid pros and cons, they both have supporters and opponents, and people sure do love airing their disagreements.

So, we end up with images like this one. I personally think it hurts search accuracy by depriving girly searches of a hit and forcing an otherwise-male drawing into solo female via personal interpretation, but we're just guests here. I guess we're lucky to have the search at all.

That moment when you search: (female solo) and you see male ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)

Lopin makes for such a so pretty lady even if he's not a lady.