This looks unfinished.

mr_shades42 said:
This looks unfinished.

I think it's the fact that the man has no gradients, which twilight does.
Or probably the fact that he has a missing right hand.

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folmhaigh said:
she can also teleport.. or teleport him into the sun

She has an equal sign instead of her cutiemark, so I'm guessing she can't use much magic at all. She has wings though so it would still be an easy fight

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folmhaigh said:
true but she was still able to levitate things, including large things, and she's still a horse with kicking power, her height or not that's STRONG, also horn go stab and just pushing herself up with her forehooves would let her stab at him, and given position that horn is stabbing through his skull

While you make a good point with the horn, in terms of strenght she got basically nothing. Even Applejack of all ponies was not even able to kick down a door in this condition.

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folmhaigh said:
yes because a solid wood door is comparable to the soft flesh of a human, they are not made like OUR doors, they are made with SOLID planks of wood that are VERY MUCH thicker than our doors, at LEAST 2 times as thick

And you think a bit of a thicker door would matter to someone who could send a 30 ton rock flying through the air without issue? She normally could demolish the entire damn bulding with a kick if she wanted to....

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folmhaigh said:
that's not my point, the average pony might not be able to do that, but the average PONY is probably strong enough to be comparable to an IRL pony, which wouldn't be able to kick through the same type of door, but would still be able to break multiple ribs if not perforate a lung

And MY point is that even someone like Applejack was weakened to the point that she could not even kick down a door, when she can normally demolish entire buldings if she wants to. If even she got weakened that much then that means Twilight would hardly have any strenght at all in this condition as she was weakened just as much and is not even remotely close to being as strong as Applejack to begin with. Kicking would not do anything.

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folmhaigh said:
Yes, it would.
They are brought down to be equal, EQUAL, not every pony can kick with that strength and THAT is why they are weaker, twilight is EQUAL to AJ in this scenario, not building level, but she's still able to KICK with the AVERAGE strength of a pony, ponies in show have shown to not exactly be WEAK, the average pony is at least comparable to normal ponies irl and that's lowballing.

And even a normal pony would be able to kick down a door. All the characters are weakened equally. Which means Twilight is even weaker, as she is nowhere near Applejacks strenght. Twilight is practically defenceless in this state. Simple as that.

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folmhaigh said:
no, no they couldn't not the specific way THEY build doors, our doors? yes easy af to break, their doors are made of SOLID WOOD THAT ARE MUCH THICKER.
and in THIS STATE, THEY ARE ALL EQUAL TO THE WEAKEST PONY and no PONY has shown to be WEAKER than a REGULAR PONY.
SO FUCKING NO, THAT IS NOT HOW THAT WORKS.

It does not matter that they are thicker. Even a normal IRL pony would be able to kick them down. And again, everyone is weakened equally, which means Twilight would be even weaker overall. The spell was just as much about Starlight keeping control as it was about so called equality. Also, if you are going to start screaming like some child throwing a tantrum, maybe you should simply move on. Twilight is practically defenceless in this state. Simple as that.

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folmhaigh said:
No a normal pony would not be able to kick them down, have you SEEN the doors??? They are't weakened equally, they are brought to the weakest pony, which HAS NOT been shown to be that damn weak, we know the average pony is at the weakest as strong as a regular pony, with the actual average being much stronger, fluttershy is depicted as really weak and yet she's still VERY strong,, she's shown to be only a little bit weaker than Rainbow and Rainbow is comparable to Applejack. You are wrong. Their doors are built thicker than your average shortstack OC.

Have you seen what a normal pony can do with a kick? A normal pony WOULD be able to kick down the door. And in the end a door is only as strong as the hinges holding it up. All the Mane 6 were practically defenceless while in that state. They all were weakened equally. There is basically nothing Twilight could do in this situation. Now get over it and move on.

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folmhaigh said:
No, no it couldn't, not only is the wood thicker but obviously so is the fucking metal hinge holding it up, unless you can actually show me a weakness then you're just talking out of your ass, EXAMPLES, I gave mine, even scaled to Fluttershy, who is the weakest, they are still at LEAST regular pony strength, but are usually higher, it's a bit inconsistent, but their kicks are ALWAYS shown to be stronger to or equal to a regular IRL pony kick, their doors are LITERALLY built differently, don't you think in a world of FUCKING PONIES they would build them strong enough to withstand a PONIES KICK because of burglaries or such?

Have you SEEN how thick the hinges and BOLTS are? the hinges are usually at LEAST half the length of one ponies leg minimum with bolts with heads close to a slight bit under half the width of their hoof.

No. Its a wood door. A normal pony can kick down a wood door. Especially kick lose the hinges from the wall. Seriously dude, stop this nonsense. You are being delusional at this point. The Mane 6 was practically helpless in this condition. They were barely even able to trot , let alone defend themselves. Get over it and move on.

Starlight sat in the back like: "Just according to Keikaku.."

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folmhaigh said:
Yes, it's a wooden door, a VERY thick wooden door, not like the ones we have, no they can't, not doors those thick, I've worked in a farm, the doors are thinner than we see in the show, AND the metal on the door is THINNER than we see the actual hinges on a ponies door, and the trotting isn't based on strength, it's based on speed. That's not an argument, YOU are the one being delusional, they are NOT weak, they are WEAKENED, which is DIFFERENT, that just means they are weaker THAN THEY ARE NORMALLY, they could 100% still kick with enough force to break something. We KNOW that the hinges are VERY thick, you're thinking about it like they are the flimsy ass hinges that humans make really really thin, no, these hinges are THICK, and so are the bolts that bind them to the door, and the door too, no, I don't think even the AVERAGE pony would be able to kick those down, because that's what they are literally made for you nut..

Yes, a normal pony would be able to kick those door down. Those doors are not as impressive as you make them out to be because you are forgetting that these characters are smaller than us. Furthermore, it takes strenght to even stand, let alone walk. And trotting is basically a slow jog to a horse. They were barely even able to do that in order to keep up with the others. Which means they were VERY weak. And as such they would be practically defenceless if attacked. That is painfully obvious. You really need to get a grip and move on.

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folmhaigh said:
except they are treated differently, being a slow trotter doesn't make them weak, they aren't really shown to STRUGGLE to do that, they are shown to not MOVE as fast, no, a normal pony would NOT be able to kick those doors down, not with how thick both the wood, and the hinges are, and the others that were moving fast? had their magic and cutie marks, aka they weren't dragged to the weakest link, in which it's the main 6, likely, fluttershy or rarity, which are both shown to be VERY strong, that's not the same

And where are you getting size scale? the average pony is like 4.5 feet tall in most calculations, which is actually in line with ACTUAL ponies, they are not small, you don't know what you are talking about.

They could ONLY trot, that was the thing, they could ONLY trot at the slowest pace that any other pony that was effected by the magic could go.

They were not shown to struggle to trot, they were struggling to keep up with the ponies that could fly and actually run, that does not make them weak.

Dude, get a grip and grow up. Yes, a normal pony would be able to kick the doors down. The Mane 6 was very weakened by Starlights spell. Which is why they werent even able to gallop in the first place. And i get my size comparison from the canon comparison between pony Rainbow Dash and Equestria Girls Rainbow Dash. The pony version was smaller. Get some common sense.

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folmhaigh said:
No it wouldn't, I've seen ponies not be able to kick down thinner doors than that that are only held together by wood and nails not the metal bar that MLP doors usually have on them>
They weren't able to gallop because not every pony can gallop.
And bloopers are non canon so that's not an accurate measurement.

"Not every pony can gallop" ....just listen to yourself. Your arguments are made of sawdust. And the animation of the bloopers were intentionally made. Which means it is a canon size comparison. Hell, just look at the cover of the first Equestria Girls and you can clearly see the size difference between the pony and human version of Twilight. Now move on and stop making a fool of yourself.

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folmhaigh said:
.... P... Ponies can have disabilities... we are shown some... Several, and injuries happen as well.
And again.. that A: Doesn't make it canon, and B: Doesn't make the sizes canon
even the actual EG cover doesn't really mean anything, but even as a 3.5 foot pony they would STILL be strong, there are foals (IRL foals not MLP foals) that can break a mans leg but not kick down a door.

That is completely irrelevant. If that were relevant then they would be brought to the level of the most disabled pony by your logic. And the animation of the bloppers are official content, which makes the size comparison canon. Fact of the matter is that the doors are not as impressive as you make them out to be, a normal IRL pony would be able to kick them down. The mane 6 were extremely weakened in this state. They were barely able to trot, let alone defend themselves. These are the facts. Grow up.

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folmhaigh said:
No, straight up, a regular pony would not be able to kick down that door, these are facts, grow up.

Starting to realize you are full of crap i see. To quote the admins: "Don't spout half-baked knowledge around as fact." Even if you have not seen a pony kick down something similar to that door, it does not mean they cant. A horse can kick with a force up to 2000 pounds per square inch. Cut that force in half for a pony and you still would have more than enough force to kick down a door. Especially the *smaller* doors that the ponies use.

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folmhaigh said:
no, no they can't, that's more on how they are built, and that doesn't mean they could break it down, dent however, and EVENTUALLY probably break, but ONE kick isn't going to do much to the LARGE doors that the ponies have, the wood they use is THICK, and we see that THEIR wood can take the force that AJ kicks with on the regular, you're comparing regular wood to equestrian wood that takes APPLEJACK'S kicks, she can do https://imgur.com/a/UA56n this. so... who's spouting half baked knowledge around as fact? or, with AJ's kicking of the ACTUAL tree, someone did the math. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsSpOlKcfaM

Are you even trying to think before you comment anymore? Clearly not. You completely ignore the fact that AJ and every other earth pony have MAGIC. The apples and the trees themselves are also affected my magic. Earth pony magic affect plants and crops. Which is why Aj can do that. That does not mean that she cant break planks of wood that are simply planks of wood. Which is what Starlight door was: a few thin planks of wood that AJ could not kick down using all her strenght. Thats how much they were weakened. The video you linked used only real life physcis and completely ignored the magic involved, which makes up half the picture. And IRL ponies can still *easily* kick down a door. Especially the flimsy door Starlight had. You are making a complete ass of yourself.

post #1730117

And here we have an intense argument about whether or not a cartoon pony can kick down a door.

bitwolfy said:
post #1730117

And here we have an intense argument about whether or not a cartoon pony can kick down a door.

Crazy right? Just noticed it has been going on for 17 days......

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folmhaigh said:
That doesn't stop the force, and no, the door wasn't THING it was at least double the thickness of their FUCKING LEGS and you think they can BREAK THAT?? it's made of equestrian wood, you're just being ignorant, yes they have magic, that MAGIC, GIVES THEM THAT STRENGTH, AND THE TREES CAN TAKE IT, THE BOULDER CAN'T, AND SHE'S A REGULAR ASS EARTH PONY, EVEN OF YOU IGNORE THE WOOD PART, THE OTHER MAIN 6 CAN STILL KICK WITH SIMILAR STRENGTHS

You seriously need to get a grip. Do us all a favour and take a look at the moment where they try to get into Starlights house. The Mane 6 combined could not get past a door made of thin wooden planks. Even i could kick a lot harder than AJ did right there and i have a bad knee. Hell, Pinkie of all ponies had trouble lifting herself up to look through the window. They were extremely weakened. Thats the fact. Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get over it. You have been at this for half a MONTH now.

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folmhaigh said:
no, no you couldn't it's the SAME wood, you get over it, I don't stop \('-')/ if you stop replying, so will I, it's not a fact, sure they were weak, but the kick still made a sound, if they were really that weak then they wouldn't have even made a sound when she kicked it.

You realize that planks of wood are like normal planks of wood in the show right? And once again, they can do what they do to trees because of magic. Also, you do realize simply tapping something with a finger also creates sound right? You, my good sir, are a fool of the highest order.

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bitwolfy said:
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And here we have an intense argument about whether or not a cartoon pony can kick down a door.

It's amazing. I wonder how much longer this go on heh

folmhaigh said:
That doesn't make sense... you can't just say that they are the same as normal wood without giving any evidence, we see the wood take far more hits than our wood would be able to handle constantly, yea it breaks, when they are at FULL strength, you're ignoring parts of the show at this point.

Answer me this: does Sweetiebelle have strenght that rivals Applejack?

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folmhaigh said:
Not technically but she's at least wall level considering she's taken and given hits to Scootaloo and Apple Bloom, who has similar but lesser feats than AJ so....

Thought so. I rest my case.

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folmhaigh said:
that... that doesn't mean anything though? that doens't rest any case, I mean they break down walls -_-?? Like a lot

Mention ONE time Sweetie Belle, Scootaloo or Applebloom has broken down a wall. Or any other filly or colt for that matter when it was not slapstick comedy.

bitwolfy said:
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And here we have an intense argument about whether or not a cartoon pony can kick down a door.

Need more popcorn?

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folmhaigh said:
... that's all the time with them, that's what they do, call it slapstick comedy it's a consistent part of their character, you don't get to dismiss their strength just because it's not portrayed in a way you want it to be. She was able to take an explosion that literally destroyed the entire room, and she has been scratched up by fighting with the other crusaders, and Apple Bloom has similarly comparable strength to Apple Jack.

See, this is why i said "i rest my case", because you are so desperate to be right that you ignore all logic. You cant use slapstick comedy as an argument. The only time that can be counted as a feat is when its Pinkie Pie. Who even in universe stands out to the point that the other characters are weirded out.

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folmhaigh said:
that's not how that works, it's not out of the world for them to do that sort of thing, it's consistent across ALL characters, not just them, you're ignoring all logic, you're desperate to be right, you're just ignoring basic world lore at this point

Okay, lets make this clear.
1. Just because most characters have been involved in slapstick comedy, it does not make it integral to the character. One of the very few that applies to is Pinkie Pie. Who stands out quite a bit.

2. The trees of Sweet Apple Acres are magical. They stand out from other trees as seen in Granny Smiths backstory. Also it partly because of Applejacks magic that she can collect apples the way she does. And since most trees in Equestria are simply trees, that makes the planks simply planks. Which is what Starlights door was made of: 4 thin planks. One does not need super powers to do carpentry in Equestria.

3. The force needed to knock down your average door in one go is 1250 psi. And you dont even need that much if you hit the weak spots. As such a normal pony would be able to take down a door. Humans are capable of kicking down an average door, ponies kick harder then humans, which means they also can do it. That is simple logic. Starlights door was NOT an average door. Heck, it was a door only by concept. It was 4 planks of wood that was NOT held up by any form of strong metal hinges or bolts. It looks like it stood upright by prayers alone. This is something the Mane 6 was too weak to get through.

4. Applejack was not even able to put a dent in 4 measly wooden planks with all her strenght. Listening to the noise she made with her kick, she would not even be able to bruise someone. Let alone defend herself. They werent even able to run after Starlight. Thats how weakened they were.

5. Like i said in the beginning: you make a good point about the horn, but since she got basically nothing in terms of strenght in this condition, even the horn would hardly do anything.

It has gotten to the point that you have started to regurgitate my arguments and try to turn them against me. The only time that happens in a discussion is when you have no foundation to stand on.

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folmhaigh said:
1: the only real strength feats they have is that, and no, not all of it IS slapstick, just a majority, which doesn't discount it as a feat.

2: All trees are magical, all of them, in equestria, and I think you are thinking of zap apple trees.

3: this is not a NORMAL door, it does have metal hinges and a connector, and the door is NOT thin, it is a bit thicker than the ponies leg, that is not thin.

4: the door was thicker than you seem to think/want to admit, they were not able to run, but they were able to trot, strength isn't all running is, fluttershy does not run very much, she's probably the reason they are like that, which again, does not impact strength.

5: that's just wrong, they do have strength, it is not at average pony, but it is still above human.

It's gotten to the point that you have started to ignore my arguments and try to ignore or dismiss them without giving any actual reason. The only time that happens in a discussion is when you have no foundation to stand on.

1. Yes it does. If its not integral to the character, then it does not count. Slapstick comedy is just that: slapstick comedy.
2. And not every tree in Equestria is a Zap Apple Tree. Every tree at Sweet Apple Acres IS. And once again, you dont need superpowers to do carpentry in Equestria.
3. Thats my point. Its simply 4 planks of wood that are an inch thick that looks like it stand by prayers alone. I literally CHECKED the door , which you apparently dont dare to do as it would be the final nail in the coffin for your argument. And it does not even have visible hinges. Its nowhere near as sturdy as an average door.
4. Yes it does. Because running takes strenght in the first place. Literally anything one does require strenght to some degree. They were barely even able to trot. And a human would have been able to take down that door without issue. Something even Applejack could not do with all her strenght. Which makes them weaker than a human at that point. And a human is weaker than a pony normally.
5. An insignificant amount of strenght. A newborn baby has strenght to some degree, it does not mean it can defend itself.

And now you did it again: repeating what i said. Do yourself a favour and stop making a fool of yourself. Its honestly getting painful to watch you at this point. Just accept the fact that Twilight is practically defenceless in this situation.

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folmhaigh said:
1: no, that is not how that works, feats are feats and whether you like it or not the fact that there is so many means it is applied, it's not inconsistent, they do it all the time, if it were inconsistent THEN it would not count, but it isn't inconsistent so it does count.
2: no, they aren't, there is only a certain number of them, not ALL of the trees are zap apple trees, and even then, she's kicked other trees, many other trees, like cherry trees, those didn't break either.
3: yea, they are simple planks, made of equestrian wood, which is stupid durable.
4: no, it doesn't, they do other things that would need more strength than that required to run, like even kicking with enough force to make a sound on thick wood, they were not 'barely' able to trot, they were fine trotting, but couldn't make themselves MOVE faster, they didn't even show signs of exhaust, it's less they didn't have the strength and more they were magically limited to not be able to move faster, you know, to keep them at the same pace, like the spell was meant to do.
5: that isn't a response to my point, they have the strength, they would have to to even hold themselves up, and again, they were not exausted or even showing weakness signs, just not able to run, not from any PHYSICAL ailment.

1. Yes it is. The consistent part is that the slapstick of most characters are simply that, slapstick. With characters like Pinkie Pie, it IS the character. Applejack kicking away that rock? That is a feat. Twilight getting an anvil to the head and walking it off? That is simply slapstick comedy. Pinkie Pie? "Its Pinkie Pie, dont question it".

2. Granny Smiths back story shows that the trees of Sweet Apple Acres are Zap Apple Trees. That is the lore. And yes, AJ jas kicked other trees, but you are ignoring the very significant fact that she has magic that specifically affect plants.

3. No they are not. That is a headcanon of yours that has zero foundation to stand on. If it was that durable then one would need superpowers just to do carpentry. Which is not the case.

4. Are you completely delusional? If course running require strenght! Also, what happens if you knock on a piece of thick wood? You get a sound. Knocking hardly takes any strenght. And yes, they were magically limited. In other words: they were WEAKENED. You cant be for real right now....

5. No, they did not have the strenght. In your own words right now, they were magically limited.

You literally just shot your entire argument in the head.

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folmhaigh said:
1: even if the thing with twilight; she's survived and walked off worse

2: that wouldn't explain the boulder and such

3: yes it does, we've seen them take punishment from RD who is NOT an earth pony and flies at at least mach 5

4: I didn't say running didn't require strength, I said it didn't in this situation and it's VERY clear to see that since again, none of the characters were winded at all, they are not show to be struggling, they are just shown that they can't seem to make themselves do the gallop thing, only trot at a leasurly pace

5: being magically limited doesn't mean they are weak, compared to OTHER PONIES they are weak, compared to a human they'd still kick their lungs in

and your little addition here just adds more to think that you didn't bother to read or understand any further than a basic glance

1. Slapstick.
2. Thats is a legitimate feat of strenght for crying out loud.
3. Anytime RD has flown into them they have broken. Unless slapstick.
4. Yes you did.
5. That is literally what makes them weak. If they cant even dent a few planks then they wont do anything to a human. Said human would need to be a baby in that case.

Again, you literally executed your own argument. Grow up and dont embarrass yourself any further.

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folmhaigh said:
you're repeating your arguments and ignoring what you don't like, it doesn't matter if it's slapstick, it happens, it's CONSISTANT, so you have to take the CONSISTANT abilities, no one notes that it's strange, so it's not, that doesn't invalidate the feat, and the one bringing personal attacks into an argument is clearly the one that is losing, and you started that near immediately.

1. that doesn't dismiss that they did it nore is it noted as strange by anypony else who, bytb, DO note pinkies slapstick
2: that proves my point though
3: no, no they don't
4: no i didn't, I said in this SITUATION
5: no it doesn't, it's like a mental block that prevents them from running rather than being physically unable, and again, you are sevierly underestimating the wood, even regular wood, it's THICK wood, it's not fucking regular door sized nor is it hollow.

I will repeat the facts as many times as i need. And i am not ignoring anything, i am countering your arguments. Also, i have been extremely patient with you even after you started throwing a tantrum.

1. Slapstick is slapstick. If its not integral to the character, then its not a feat.
2. And how does that prove your point? A strong person can hold back you know.
3. Yes, they do.
4. Which means you did.
5. Yes it is. They are literally magically weakened. No matter how you want to twist it, fact of the matter is that the condition they are in have weakened them. And you are right. Its not a regular sized door. Its SMALLER than a regular sized door as the characters are smaller than us. You are the one overestimating the wood to the extreme.

The fact is that they are very weakened and thus cant defend themselves properly. Let it go.

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folmhaigh said:
1: saying slapstic is slapstic doesn't make the feat go away
2: the force she kicks the trees does not change, for them to act how they do, I sent the video, magic doesn't change that
3: no, they, just, don't, not every time, she has broken a few BRANCHES before, not very thick ones mind you
4: yes but you are twisting the words to support your argument, taking them out of context
5: no it DOESN'T, they are not weakened, they are LIMITED, like they can't physically make themselves run but fully have the ability to, they do NOT show signs of weakness, nor show signs of fatigue, just the mental block of being unable to run which isn't evidence of weakness.

1. Slapstick is not a feat unless its integral to the character like in the case with Pinkie Pie.
2. Magic is literally what does it. Its not because of strenght. Once again, she is a Earth Pony with Earth Pony magic, which affects plants. Talk about ignoring basic lore.
3. Which just means she did not hit them with enough force. Just look at the time she helped Applejack take down the old barn. She took it down with no issue. And she cant compete with Applejack in raw strenght.
4. Which still means you did.
5. Yes it does. Having their physical and magical capabilities "limited" IS being weakened you absolute clown. Definition of weakness:
- the state or condition of being weak
- a disadvantage or fault

Being magically limited makes them weaker than they normally are and they are most certainly at a disadvantage. Even the definition proves you wrong. But let me guess, you are so desperate to be right that you are going to go against the very definition as well.....I must say your profile image is fitting you right now.

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folmhaigh said:
1: it's still a feat if it is consistent and it is for this case, it's only not a feat if it's an outlier
2: but it is, earth ponies have strength and plant magic, she can bust boulders and grow an apple 2 ponies tall, why couldn't others grow trees as strong as iron?
3: THAT is an old broken rusted rotting barn, not a living tree or fresh not rotten wood door
4: which means you take it out of context to try to support your argument
5: no it doesn't, re-watch the episode, they don't weaken, they do not show fatigue, they try to run and only trot, it's like a mental block, NOT a physical one

That is not the same, they are at a disadvantage to other PONIES, that is a HUMAN with HUMAN level stuff, not a superman, not a bodybuilder, average human, they would be at a disadvantage, against other PONIES, not against a regular ass human. Also resorting to name calling doesn't strengthen your argument, if anything it makes you look petty and that you have no point other than "hurdur I have to be right so I'm gonna insult them to try to make them shut up because I'm getting butthurt."

Why is it so important to you to be "right" exactly?

1. No its not. Slapstick is not a feat unless its integral to the character. The consistent part is that it has been slapstick for everyone except characters like Pinkie Pie.
2. Why would they? Just because AJ is strong enough to kick a rock like that, it does not mean she hits the trees with the same force. Use some common sense.
3. She literally nuked it buddy.
4. Which still means you did.
5. It does not matter if its a physical, mental or magical cause for them being weakened. They are still weakened. They could not even get through a thin wooden door thats barely standing in the first place. And that limitation is not going to magically vanish just because a human is involved.

Apparently you really are so desperate that you are going to argue against even the definition. That does not make you right, that just makes you look like an idiot. And if you really are going to sink to that level of desperation then you are quite frankly a waste of time.

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folmhaigh said:
1: Consistance is what makes a feat, not whether or not it's slapstick
2: because they don't want bad ponies breaking into houses?
3: didn't she use a sonic rainboom to do that?
4: but you took it out of context -_-
5: yes it does, because they can be limited in different areas while still being LESS limited in other areas, that's the difference, it'd be like if I mental blocked your ability to run but not the one to punch, you can still punch with the same force, you are not weaker, your hit is the same strength, but you are unable to run, THIS is how they were limited

No I'm not, I'm not ignoring any definition, you're the one ignoring context, of both the show AND my own comments, and I will repeat: Resorting to name calling doesn't strengthen your argument, if anything it makes you look petty and that you have no point other than "hurdur I have to be right so I'm gonna insult them to try to make them shut up because I'm getting butthurt."

1. Consistency is what seperates the two from each other.
2. I am pretty sure they have other methods for that in a world of magic than this theory of yours that have nothing to stand on.
3. Irrelevant. She easily destroyed the wood before that.
4. You still said it.
5. By that logic AJ should not have had any problems with the door in the first place. Especially since it was not even an earth pony who knocked it down. You are not even trying to think things through anymore are you?

Dude, they are weakened by definition. That argument of yours is dead in the water. So basically the only thing you have to support your argument right now is the idea that AJ is kicking the trees with a lot of force, thus making the wood seem to be really strong. Which has zero foundation to stand on. The only thing you have to support that argument is a video that completely ignores the magic element. You know, the very specific magic AJ has that specifically affects plants in the first place and lets her harvest her crops the way she does? In other words, you have literally nothing to support your argument. You dont get to accuse me of "putting things out of context" when the "proof" for your best theory is literally ignoring half the picture......

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folmhaigh said:
1: yes and they do it consistently
2: that's the easiest method and is in line with what we see
3: no that is very relevant, she is the ONLY pony we see able to do one and she goes top speed when doing it
4: that doesn't matter that's like cutting "Evolution is just a theory but that's one of the highest regards and best thing we can call it." and saying that person supports creationism because they said "Evolution is just a theory."
5: Because she was LIMITED with the = sign, but not so weak that she couldn't kick a chest in, we don't have any reason to place blow that because she still has force behind that kick and we know that because of the noise it made. Along with other things that happen in that very episode.

Limited, and yes it has PLEANTY to stand on, the trees have taken pinkie, they have taken a Front Loader, they have taken Rainbow Dash, and they have taken AJ/Many other earth ponies, you just don't WANT that to be true, but despite what you want, those are not all earth ponies, nor are they all even living beings, you're comparing a living tree to a NOTABLY OLD AND ROTTING BARN THAT WAS DESTROIED BY A SONIC RAINBOOM, and to note with that, a sonic rainboom causes her to go mach 10 and shatter the visible light spectrum, split solid rock, and shake entire mountains, the fact that any part of the barn survived at all is a testament to the toughness of the wood.

1. Its consistently slapstick. Which separates it from feats.
2. No it is not. Wood has not been shown to be more durable than normal wood besides in slapstick
3. No, she is not the only one who can easily break wood.
4. Are you allright?
5. Knocking on the door would easily make a louder sound. And you cant defend yourself with that little force.

Its spelled "plenty", and no, it does not have "plenty" to stand on. Yes, the trees have taken all of that, because it was either slapstick or they were not hit with enough force to do damage. Rainbow was easily tearing the barn to pieces long before she did a Sonic Rainboom. And the barn was obliterated once she did. Having the barn turn into firewood is not a testament to the toughness of the wood. That is what happens when wood is exposed to an explosive force.

You are so desperate at this point that you cant even spell properly. And your best theory is backed by a video that literally ignores half the picture. You literally have nothing.

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folmhaigh said:
1: No it doesn't.
2: Yes it has
3: No, but most of those are stupid strong too
4: Yea? I'm giving an example, it's what you are doing with that quote.
5: Not with how thick it was, they are not thin doors, the noise was plenty loud for the actual size of the door compared to the size of the ponies.

Ok I messed up one word, is that really a big deal, but yes it does, and that STILL matters, it doesn't make any sense, and yea, but she was more careful and precise (As odd as that is to say) but when she did use it there were plenty of bits left, even with the explosive force, they weren't shattered into a million pieces, they were split apart in fairly large chunks.

And insulting my spelling doesn't strengthen your argument it makes you look more desperate. And it's not a theory, that's just their magic making them that strong, Earth Ponies have passive magic, making them strong, we see that this is the case in multiple scenarios, I'm not desperate at all, you just want to dismiss any real feats because it's slapstick and I am not allowing that, because it being slapstick doesn't dismiss it as a feat, it being inconsistent would do that.

You realize you have been arguing in circles for a month because you could not accept the fact that the Mane 6 were very clearly weakened by Starlights spell? You need to grow up.

1. Yes it does. Once again, Applejack kicking away that rock was a feat, Twilight getting that anvil to the head was slapstick. As such its not a feat of durability. Twilight being slammed through that mountain on the other hand is a feat as she actually put effort into surviving that. There is a difference there, which you apparently have a hard time understanding.

2. Mention ONE time they have handled overwhelming force outside of slapstick.

3. Not every character has super strenght. And they are still perfectly capable of doing carpentry like one normally would. Which alone proves that "Equestrian wood" is not more durable than normal wood.

4. You said that "running have nothing to do with strenght" ,which is factually wrong as even walking require stenght to begin with.

5. I literally tried it myself bud. Maybe you should do so yourself, before you make more of an ass of yourself.

Which again, is what happens when you expose wood to an explosive force. You end up with pieces of all shapes and sizes. And yes earth ponies are passively very strong thanks to their magic, but that does not mean they dont hold back. Or are you trying to tell me you dont understand the concept of holding back on top of it all? Applejack very clearly does not use the level of strenght like with that rock all the time. Which again makes its just a theory of yours that is backed up by "proof" that literally ignores half the picture. Which makes your theory effectively worthless.

... goddamn, they are still arguing about it.
And I'm all out of popcorn.

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folmhaigh said:
yes they WERE weakened, but their weakened state is still stronger than regular average humans.

1: No, no it doesn't, the REASON it doesn't is because it's a consistent thing that happens, not only that but there are no counter feats to oppose it.

2: Their own fighting.

3: No but there are plenty of other ponies with that strength, and cutting is a different force than compressing, you're comparing two completely different types of force AND the way they are applied.

4: In this case it doesn't because they are not being PHYSICALLY stopped from running, it's more accurate to call it a mental block.

5: You literally couldn't have because not only is their wood more durable but the doors themselves were thicker than any human made doors, even barn doors are thinner, I've worked on a farm bud.

The fact that there WAS anything left at the force she pulls is a testament to their durablity, explosive force or not, and it's not like I showed you the actual math on it in that video or anything, you are arguing against actual numbers, we KNOW that she kicks with that strength, earth pony magic is passive, upping their strength. My proof does not ignore half the picture, you however are ignoring like 3/4 of it.

Average humans would be able to break that door down without issue, so no.

1. Yes it does. Its consistently different. Again, Twilight getting an anvil to the head in that comedic moment? Slapstick. Twilight tanking being rammed through a mountain thanks to her efforts during a serious moment ? An actual feat. There is a difference. Get over it.

2. So clearly you cant even bring up any proper example. Go figure.

3. Characters without super strenght use the wood normally. If the wood was as durable as you say it is, then they would not be able to. Nor would any of them be able to snap off branches with their TEETH. Your "argument" has more holes than the damn Titanic.

4. Which means they would still be weakened. And you are incorrect, because Starlights spell removed their Cutie Marks and the magic that goes along with them. Which include Applejacks strenght. So they were magically and physically weakened. To the point that they could not even run. Let alone break down a door or defend themselves properly. Which is something a dictator like Starlight was back then would have wanted to keep them in line.

5. If you have worked on a farm then you have no excuse for your nonsense. In that case you should be able to see that the door is not any thicker than a normal door. Especially when we take the size of the characters into account.

Rainbow literally turned the barn into splinters. The wood is NOT more durable than normal wood, there is nothing to back that up. The video you linked ignore half the picture as it completely ignores the magic element.The magic that Applejack uses that allows her to harvest the way she does. It is not simply a hard kick. Her strenght having a passive boost due to magic does not mean she cant hold back. She is very clearly not using the strenght she displayed with the rock all the time. That is common sense, something you seem quite frankly beyond at this point.

You are wrong on this one. Have some dignity and accept that.

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folmhaigh said:
No, no they wouldn't did you look at the door, it's thick, it has metal connecting it, and the wood it MUCH thicker than regular doors.

1: No it's not, it's consistent that they are durable enough to bust down walls.

2: how about their fighting about discord then, better? they 'punch' and kick, and kids don't really pull punches.

3: We see regular earth ponies eat rocks.. that's not an argument.

4: compared to OTHER PONIES they are weakened.

5: it's thicker, even going with the smaller size it's at LEAST 3~ inches thick of solid wood.

she did NOT turn it into nothing but splinters, there were LARGE chucks, metal, I think the doors survived too.

You're clearly wrong, have some dignity and accept it.

It does not have any metal connecting to it. That is a blatant lie.

1. That is slapstick most of the time. And even so, it does not debunk the main point that they are weakened.

2. Again, give a proper example. Give the episode and situation.

3. There are edible rocks you know. And its very clearly not average rocks that they eat, as they cant eat all of them.

4. Which also still makes them weaker then us in that condition. They could not even run.

5. Its barely half that thickness. You clearly have issues with your eyes. Personally i have worked on a farm AND as a carpenter. So i can tell.

"You think" ? That is not good enough. I checked it and she turned the barn into splinters. And regardless it does not change the fact that they are very weakened. Your desperation has gotten to the point that you outright lie to my face. Not to mention keeping on repeating my arguments on top of that. That is outright pathetic.

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folmhaigh said:
yes it does, it has metal connecting it.

1: It being slapstick is irrelevant, it's consistent, and not noted as strange by any character that sees them.

2: I.. I did, them fighting when they accidentally freed discord.

3: No, these are literally just regular rocks that they take a bite out of

4: Drop the running thing, they don't act exhausted, it's not that they are physically unable to run, it's that they mentally can not run.

5: No, it is like 3~ inches thick at minimum, and both of those experiences have nothing to do with evaluating its size, we can SEE that the door is a bit thicker than their legs, and going with their height, the MINIMUM, the door is 3~ inches thick.

I remember the episode, one of the doors is shown to be like... 1/5 berried in the dirt when AJ looks around.
Them being weakened doesn't make them weaker than humans, it makes them weaker than most ponies. Not. Humans.
Where did I lie? And of course I'm repeating arguments, because you're trying to disregard them. THAT is outright pathetic.

Okay, where do you see any metal connection: https://www.deviantart.com/culu-bluebeaver/art/Starlight-Glimmer-s-house-577219058 , https://www.deviantart.com/culu-bluebeaver/art/Starlight-Glimmer-s-room-575740843 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbAkwb8XbLQ This is the second time you have outright lied, and that door is nowhere near as impressive as you try to make it out to be. The actual proof is right there.

1. Slapstick is not a feat unless its a character like Pinkie Pie. I will refer to my examples with Twilight again. And it does not debunk the main point anyway that they are weakened anyway. So this argument is irrelevant to begin with

2. You realize the flaw of using a moment involving Discord right?

3. Yes there is. And what is your proof that it is regular rocks? They literally FARM them....

4. They dont need to act exhausted in order to not have the strenght to run. Thats not how it works. I dont have the strenght to lift 500 kgs, that does not mean i am exhausted. And Starlights spell removed the Cutie Marks and the magic that came with them, which affected them physically.

5. The door is not thicker than a normal door. Having worked as a construction worker, i am able to estimate that. You very clearly can not.

They dont even have the strenght to run or take down a door that a human would break down without issue. And once again you repeated my own argument and tried to turn it around. You behave like a manchild.

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folmhaigh said:
That's not the house AJ kicked... but huh.. I could have sworn that it did have that, but how do the boards stay together? Nails, and the nails we see in mlp are again, fairly large, and AGAIN, the door is VERY THICK compared to our doors, and it's a SOLID door, we do not make doors that way, you also don't know what magic she has on the actual house itself. That wasn't a lie it was misremembering.

1: Yes it is when it's consistent, those examples with twilight are not consistent like they are.

2: Not when his magic had nothing to do with it, he wasn't active, their fighting freed him.

3: They tell us this? the other main 5 don't eat the rocks? If they were the edible kind the other main 5 would see no issue and eat it to be polite.

4: No but trying to force yourself beyond what you can do and physically trying would make you exhausted, they aren't, meaning it's not a physical thing, it's a mind thing.

5: yes it is, we SEE the door, it's like the same size as their LEGS.

See above
Insults are not an argument, I'm not repeating your argument, I'm defending mine, that's what a debate is.

That was literally Starlights house. With the door Applejack tried to kick down. And again, where do you see such big nails? And there is no indication that she has any magic on the house. If that were the case, they would not get in in the first place without dispelling it. And passing misinformation off as fact is a lie .

1. The two examples with Twilight are different scenarios, both if which are consistent.

2. The time the CMC argued? How did that prove extreme durability off the wood?

3. Rock farm ? Hello?? Just because something is edible, it does not mean everyone find it appealing.

4.Only if you push yourself to the point of becoming exhausted. Their magic have physical effects on them. That magic was removed along with their cutie marks. You are wrong

5. No its not. We clearly see the door in question in the proof i just linked you lying, desperate clown.

Once again, you behave like a manchild.

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folmhaigh said:
They weren't in starlight's house, but I said you were correct, and I was inferring with the nails, because it's either that or they are held together with magic, and with starlight's level of magic there would be no question she can block off the kick.

1: That's not what consistent means.

2: Because AB can kick with similar strength to AJ and the other CMC take her hits just fine, and she kicks with a similar force to AJ, meaning they have comparable durability.

3: But it's the main 6, they'd have done it to be polite, at least most of them.

4: They couldn't even TRY to push them self though. YOU are wrong.

5: Yes, it is, it's near the same size as their legs, where are you getting this?

Once again, you behave like an ignorant clown.

Yes they were. They literally meet her in her house, and its the front door of Starlights house AJ tried to kick down. And there is clearly no magic protecting the house as the door was broken down easily.

1. I think you need to look up what "consistent" means.

2. You seriously think AB would hit her friends with that level of force? Are you out of your mind? And are you still trying to tell me that you dont understand the concept of holding back? And you call me ignorant....

3. Your point? The rocks are clearly not normal rocks as they are literally farming them.

4. They did their very best to keep up. And they could not, cuz they had neither the magic nor the strenght to do so. Which was removed when Starlight stole their Cutie Marks.

5. From the video i recently linked for crying out loud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbAkwb8XbLQ Look at the front door shown 7 seconds in. That is the door we are talkign about. That door is not 3 inches thick. It is not held together by metal connections and it does not have any massive nails.

And there at the end you desperately copied me again because you have nothing to stand on. Your arguments are made from sawdust. And on top of it all, earlier you said you did not remember it correctly. Which means this entire damn time you have not been fact checking yourself.

netrom2017 folmhaigh

Both of you shut up already. You guys can have your conversation in private messages where it's not making a scene.

notmenotyou said:
netrom2017 folmhaigh

Both of you shut up already. You guys can have your conversation in private messages where it's not making a scene.

Fine by me. However, while i agree some far too harsh words where used here and there, having the very important discussion regarding the prejudice and willing ignorance related to the swastika which actually gets people killed is far from a pointless argument. So i really disagree with that one. Just saying.

So on a scale of 1 to Aramaru, how do you rate that argument?

werideatdawn said:
So on a scale of 1 to Aramaru, how do you rate that argument?

Personally i see the whole thing as BS to be honest. I cant belive something that simple could cause this. Then again i have debated and "debated" in the Youtube comment section for over a decade. So i should not be surprised.

notmenotyou said:
netrom2017 folmhaigh

Both of you shut up already. You guys can have your conversation in private messages where it's not making a scene.

This argument is an internet moment worthy of being added to that profile pic

bitwolfy said:
... goddamn, they are still arguing about it.
And I'm all out of popcorn.

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Sometimes when I close my eyes I swear I can still hear them going at it