Always a pleasure to see your art, keep the good work up :3

Something tells me that something bad will happend in the future

Damn~
A cuck series that doesn't have people losing their minds in the comments?
WhAt Is ThIs MaDdNeSs?!

jwt07 said:
Damn~
A cuck series that doesn't have people losing their minds in the comments?
WhAt Is ThIs MaDdNeSs?!

I guess they follow all of the rules in this one. It's just incredibly clear everyone involved is enjoying it.

I have a question?
How is Nick even part of this relationship?

He has been shoved out of the relation to jack off to the sound of the event.
And the worst thing is that he is ok to be the 3rd wheel in the relationship.
Could any cuckold explain how does not this break the fantasy of cucking and goes into just emotional abuse to the point where he can't even watch the event?

jinksa said:
I have a question?
How is Nick even part of this relationship?

He has been shoved out of the relation to jack off to the sound of the event.
And the worst thing is that he is ok to be the 3rd wheel in the relationship.
Could any cuckold explain how does not this break the fantasy of cucking and goes into just emotional abuse to the point where he can't even watch the event?

Spoke to soon, lo

jwt07 said:
Spoke to soon, lo

You just had to jinx it... xD

jwt07 said:
Spoke to soon, lo

fenredwolf said:
You just had to jinx it... xD

Then answer the simple question. It's not like I went into a rant about cucking, but explain how does this not break the fantasy of cucking.
I have no problem with cucking(Check the current Siroc comic which is more of a cucking fantasy than this), I have a problem when the edge of the fantasy is broken and has gone into abuse.

It's funny to slap a clown with a pie, but when you start pulling his teeth out it's no longer slapstick.

I mean it's nice art but Jesus that's depressing. Why are they so mean to him?

jinksa said:
Then answer the simple question. It's not like I went into a rant about cucking, but explain how does this not break the fantasy of cucking.
I have no problem with cucking(Check the current Siroc comic which is more of a cucking fantasy than this), I have a problem when the edge of the fantasy is broken and has gone into abuse.

It's funny to slap a clown with a pie, but when you start pulling his teeth out it's no longer slapstick.

Because he reeeaaally likes it.

poke-ball-academia said:
Because he reeeaaally likes it.

And a lot of people reaaaaaly liked Charles Manson and we have an explanation for it, while you don't give one for Nick. Some people like to hurt themself, some people like to take drugs to the extent of self-destruction, and most of the time when somebody uses the "they liked it" excuse it's from a place of ignorance.

Now could you elaborate or are you gonna leave the conversation like a priest talking to an atheast.

Sooo jealous of Nick right now ^w^

adopted_chicken said:
I mean it's nice art but Jesus that's depressing. Why are they so mean to him?

Depressing? How so? And in what way are they being mean? :o

thunderkitten said:
Depressing? How so? And in what way are they being mean? :o

I can elaborate on that.
Imagine watching the BATS and being presented with Harley Quinn as being in a healthy relationship with the Joker. Imagine when the joker almost kills Harley instead of her finally removing herself from that relation, instead she comes for more back to the psycho, and each time the Joker inflicts more damage upon her.

As an outlooker on this relationship, you feel sick about how the person is being manipulated. If she was cheating on Nick, this would have been a cuck fantasy, but in this story, Nick is treated as incapable of keeping and being part of the relationship. To any reader of this story who is actually following the story, this feels like emotional torture, and Nick is forming a Stockholm Syndrom with his abuser. Again and again, people ignore the major fact of this story......the relationship is breaking the bounds of the fantasy and just becomes abuse. Its almost like in a BDSM session the master pulls out a knife and starts to disfigure his partner..... That is no longer shall be a BDSM relationship.

jinksa said:
I can elaborate on that.
Imagine watching the BATS and being presented with Harley Quinn as being in a healthy relationship with the Joker. Imagine when the joker almost kills Harley instead of her finally removing herself from that relation, instead she comes for more back to the psycho, and each time the Joker inflicts more damage upon her.

As an outlooker on this relationship, you feel sick about how the person is being manipulated. If she was cheating on Nick, this would have been a cuck fantasy, but in this story, Nick is treated as incapable of keeping and being part of the relationship. To any reader of this story who is actually following the story, this feels like emotional torture, and Nick is forming a Stockholm Syndrom with his abuser. Again and again, people ignore the major fact of this story......the relationship is breaking the bounds of the fantasy and just becomes abuse. Its almost like in a BDSM session the master pulls out a knife and starts to disfigure his partner..... That is no longer shall be a BDSM relationship.

...?
Are we reading the same comic? Because, while I'll admit at the star when Judy was using those pills, was a real bitch move... they talked it out and bonded ever closer over a newly discovered kink.
I see no true tortrue here (apart from what one in consentual cuckholding naturedly experiences. :p) and only willing concentual fun between the three. There has been no abuse, mental or physical that I have seen... only a couple who met with and worked out what they wanted with a third party. No one is being coerced in any way, Nick could stop this any time he wants but that would spoil the atmosphere the three of them have cultivated together.

thunderkitten said:
...?
Are we reading the same comic? Because, while I'll admit at the star when Judy was using those pills, was a real bitch move... they talked it out and bonded ever closer over a newly discovered kink.
I see no true tortrue here (apart from what one in consentual cuckholding naturedly experiences. :p) and only willing concentual fun between the three. There has been no abuse, mental or physical that I have seen... only a couple who met with and worked out what they wanted with a third party. No one is being coerced in any way, Nick could stop this any time he wants but that would spoil the atmosphere the three of them have cultivated together.

Sooooo......Being turned into the third wheel of a relation is now the natural state of human romantic interaction? Great sense! Guess I was wrong expecting an actual relation not being part of the relationship and being forced to jack off in the corner.

Could you elaborate on what part does Nick takes in this relation besides being a harmless voyeur. Quite frankly Judy would be better if she dumped Nick and went out with the other character since Nick can't satisfy her.

jinksa said:
Sooooo......Being turned into the third wheel of a relation is now the natural state of human romantic interaction? Great sense! Guess I was wrong expecting an actual relation not being part of the relationship and being forced to jack off in the corner.

Could you elaborate on what part does Nick takes in this relation besides being a harmless voyeur. Quite frankly Judy would be better if she dumped Nick and went out with the other character since Nick can't satisfy her.

Who says that Nick can't satisfy her? It has been shown quite clearly that Judy loves Nick and that their sex life is fine. It's simply that they BOTH SHARE a kink for this kind of play. Nick is Judy's husband and brings no more or less to that then any man ever has. You say Nick has become a third wheel, but your simply incorrect... in truth, it's more the other character who's the third wheel here. But he gets as much out of such play as they do, the thrill of domination and to be dominated. If this this isn't your cup of tea, then that's fine, but I don't think you have any right to imply theirs or anyone else's is wrong.

jinksa said:
Sooooo......Being turned into the third wheel of a relation is now the natural state of human romantic interaction? Great sense! Guess I was wrong expecting an actual relation not being part of the relationship and being forced to jack off in the corner.

Could you elaborate on what part does Nick takes in this relation besides being a harmless voyeur. Quite frankly Judy would be better if she dumped Nick and went out with the other character since Nick can't satisfy her.

This is shown as a relationship that is agreed upon and written to show it clearly makes Nick excited. Now I'm not sure how often the cucking happens in this relationship, but it is shown that Nick and Judy really love eachother and that nick has access to Judy.

I think your problem is a common one, in that the fetish doesn't appeal to you. It's hard to understand how someone could be happy with being treated as inferior; watching as the love of their life ostensibly develops a strong relationship with someone more manly, more sexually attractive, and with greater prowess than themself. But part of the fetish seems to be that it's kind of dom/sub play in relation to the bull and the cuck. I imagine also that some guys like it because they insert as the bull and like the fantasy of being viewed as physically and sexually superior to a woman's lover. And some probably get off on the love aspect, where Judy loves Nick to such an extent that the most attractive man with the magnum-est dong still can't compete with Nick for Judy's ultimate love and affection.

Realistically, unless Nick is an absolute monster in bed and that just isn't shown here, such a situation most likely leads to the relationship exploding and at least Nick getting all fucked up. But this is fantasy and presupposes Judy will remain fully committed to Nick, rather than slowly coming to see nick as ineffectual and inferior, losing respect and affection for nick over time

I really want Nick and Owen to do it so badly

sleepinggiant said:
This is shown as a relationship that is agreed upon and written to show it clearly makes Nick excited. Now I'm not sure how often the cucking happens in this relationship, but it is shown that Nick and Judy really love eachother and that nick has access to Judy.

I think your problem is a common one, in that the fetish doesn't appeal to you. It's hard to understand how someone could be happy with being treated as inferior; watching as the love of their life ostensibly develops a strong relationship with someone more manly, more sexually attractive, and with greater prowess than themself. But part of the fetish seems to be that it's kind of dom/sub play in relation to the bull and the cuck. I imagine also that some guys like it because they insert as the bull and like the fantasy of being viewed as physically and sexually superior to a woman's lover. And some probably get off on the love aspect, where Judy loves Nick to such an extent that the most attractive man with the magnum-est dong still can't compete with Nick for Judy's ultimate love and affection.

Realistically, unless Nick is an absolute monster in bed and that just isn't shown here, such a situation most likely leads to the relationship exploding and at least Nick getting all fucked up. But this is fantasy and presupposes Judy will remain fully committed to Nick, rather than slowly coming to see nick as ineffectual and inferior, losing respect and affection for nick over time

I would have agreed when we saw the fetish start and the actual relationship continues as normal. The only thing I have seen now is that Nick is treated horridly and him not recovering from the breaking.

Also, that line about Judy loving Nick for allowing an alpha pred to fuck her while he is curled up in the corner seems horrid and draws Judy as a character who is not satisfied in her relationship or enjoys mentally abusing her partner. It's almost like portraying a BDSM relationship with cheap porn.

The only reason I am commenting here is that the art is good and I enjoy it, but I am reminded that the author is trying to portray an Actual cuck relation and not the fantasy. If we had been presented this as a pure story where Nick is Cucked out of the relationship that would be a good fantasy, but presenting this as a relationship without any connection between Judy and Nick or Even Nick and the Alpha pred or any sign that this relation is healthy AT ANY LEVEL beyond Judy abusing Nick seems like a parody of kink akin to cheap porn making the actual porn dissatisfying.

Unfortunately, the line between various masochistic practices as a kink and actual mental illness is razor thin in some spots. Voluntary cuckolding practice as a kink is, without a doubt, a form of masochism, as it runs contrary to fundamental survival instincts of wanting to be the one to breed with your female yourself. A niche facet of humiliation, essentially. Masochism kinks can cause conditioning, especially amidst those suffering from anxiety, depression, or low self-esteem. (Nick, in the film, is canonically portrayed with traces of those, even, further driving the point home.)

I think part of the reason why this comic was so popular, other than it being Zootopia themed, is it started with the premise of showing a realistic and grounded kink being practiced. Nick and Judy had an established relationship. They had good communication and talked about it all beforehand. The cuckolding was shown to not be a total lifestyle change. They respected each other. A more wholesome show of cuckolding as a fetish, instead of the typical extremely toxic portrayal of it.

All that said, this recent turn in the comic probably has a lot of people upset because it’s pushing hard on that razor thin boundary of being a grounded kink. Owen’s shifting more dominant. Even Judy is displaying second guessing herself. “Oh god. But I teased him-“ Instead of talking about it, she’s shut down and coerced into continuing the act. This is shifting it away from wholesome and starting to trigger people, who are uncertain if Nick’s displayed willingness is still part of the kink or a conditioned response. Going back to treating it more like a traditional masochistic kink would help. Check ins, good communication, aftercare, and maybe even safe words are all good practices there, for real-life kinks.

I really want to see Judy say she loves her bull more than Nick ☺️☺️

kiroberos said:
Unfortunately, the line between various masochistic practices as a kink and actual mental illness is razor thin in some spots. Voluntary cuckolding practice as a kink is, without a doubt, a form of masochism, as it runs contrary to fundamental survival instincts of wanting to be the one to breed with your female yourself. A niche facet of humiliation, essentially. Masochism kinks can cause conditioning, especially amidst those suffering from anxiety, depression, or low self-esteem. (Nick, in the film, is canonically portrayed with traces of those, even, further driving the point home.)

I think part of the reason why this comic was so popular, other than it being Zootopia themed, is it started with the premise of showing a realistic and grounded kink being practiced. Nick and Judy had an established relationship. They had good communication and talked about it all beforehand. The cuckolding was shown to not be a total lifestyle change. They respected each other. A more wholesome show of cuckolding as a fetish, instead of the typical extremely toxic portrayal of it.

All that said, this recent turn in the comic probably has a lot of people upset because it’s pushing hard on that razor thin boundary of being a grounded kink. Owen’s shifting more dominant. Even Judy is displaying second guessing herself. “Oh god. But I teased him-“ Instead of talking about it, she’s shut down and coerced into continuing the act. This is shifting it away from wholesome and starting to trigger people, who are uncertain if Nick’s displayed willingness is still part of the kink or a conditioned response. Going back to treating it more like a traditional masochistic kink would help. Check ins, good communication, aftercare, and maybe even safe words are all good practices there, for real-life kinks.

Well said and as I see it the "But he likes it" brigade will spam your actual well thought comment to the ground.

The problem i have with this comic is there’s several times where either Nick or Judy sound or look unsure but it’s glossed over and pushed aside. This page is a really good example of it- Judy is second guessing herself and Nick is staring at a photograph (presumably of him and Judy together) with a distressed look on his face.

I understand it’s porn and it’s not meant to be realistic but if you don’t want your readers to get uncomfortable vibes then why put in those expressions and dialogue bits?

sleepinggiant said:
This is shown as a relationship that is agreed upon and written to show it clearly makes Nick excited. Now I'm not sure how often the cucking happens in this relationship, but it is shown that Nick and Judy really love eachother and that nick has access to Judy.

I think your problem is a common one, in that the fetish doesn't appeal to you. It's hard to understand how someone could be happy with being treated as inferior; watching as the love of their life ostensibly develops a strong relationship with someone more manly, more sexually attractive, and with greater prowess than themself. But part of the fetish seems to be that it's kind of dom/sub play in relation to the bull and the cuck. I imagine also that some guys like it because they insert as the bull and like the fantasy of being viewed as physically and sexually superior to a woman's lover. And some probably get off on the love aspect, where Judy loves Nick to such an extent that the most attractive man with the magnum-est dong still can't compete with Nick for Judy's ultimate love and affection.

Realistically, unless Nick is an absolute monster in bed and that just isn't shown here, such a situation most likely leads to the relationship exploding and at least Nick getting all fucked up. But this is fantasy and presupposes Judy will remain fully committed to Nick, rather than slowly coming to see nick as ineffectual and inferior, losing respect and affection for nick over time

kiroberos said:
Unfortunately, the line between various masochistic practices as a kink and actual mental illness is razor thin in some spots. Voluntary cuckolding practice as a kink is, without a doubt, a form of masochism, as it runs contrary to fundamental survival instincts of wanting to be the one to breed with your female yourself. A niche facet of humiliation, essentially. Masochism kinks can cause conditioning, especially amidst those suffering from anxiety, depression, or low self-esteem. (Nick, in the film, is canonically portrayed with traces of those, even, further driving the point home.)

I think part of the reason why this comic was so popular, other than it being Zootopia themed, is it started with the premise of showing a realistic and grounded kink being practiced. Nick and Judy had an established relationship. They had good communication and talked about it all beforehand. The cuckolding was shown to not be a total lifestyle change. They respected each other. A more wholesome show of cuckolding as a fetish, instead of the typical extremely toxic portrayal of it.

All that said, this recent turn in the comic probably has a lot of people upset because it’s pushing hard on that razor thin boundary of being a grounded kink. Owen’s shifting more dominant. Even Judy is displaying second guessing herself. “Oh god. But I teased him-“ Instead of talking about it, she’s shut down and coerced into continuing the act. This is shifting it away from wholesome and starting to trigger people, who are uncertain if Nick’s displayed willingness is still part of the kink or a conditioned response. Going back to treating it more like a traditional masochistic kink would help. Check ins, good communication, aftercare, and maybe even safe words are all good practices there, for real-life kinks.

I know I'm a year late on this debate, but I just want to remind everyone involved, that the part of the comic, which is subject of this debate is an hourly comic, roughly drawn over the course of a single real-life day, without deep thoughts on storytelling and its implications. Besides it is only showing snapshots of a single day in Nick's life, which would hardly be representative of their entire relationship. I would therefore consider this part of the comic as a spin-off.

Concerning the themes of implicated mental abuse and missing communication, supposedly resulting in an unhealthy relationship, these seven pages are rather the exception, compared to the 6 main chapters, in which Amadose also takes his time, showing the characters caring for one another and communicating their desires and feelings.

Because of these aforementioned points, I think this debate is simply irrelevant, as it is grounded on an unrepresentative spin-off, which is simply incapable of showing all the details of the love and respect between the characters, outside of sessions.

fenredwolf said:
You just had to jinx it... xD

And its still going, I blame that guy for jinxing it