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user 12432
MemberI don't buy any of this.
Lunaz
Memberyou shouldn't :3
its fake.
KurogamiRyuta
MemberExcept for the alicorn part.
DrHorse
MemberOh, there they are.
W0LFB3AT5
MemberHehe...Oh what a good chuckle saying; "The End of MLP".
Lunaz
Memberi will believe this when i see it.
tara strong said no.
Classy Bird
MemberReally?
Because by her being an alicorn, she would pretty much kill the show. I just hope its just for the one episode.
ManintheArmor
MemberAlicorn Twilight among the Mane Six is like having Superman in the Justice League.
Test-Subject 217601
MemberSuperman was one of the founding members of the Justice League. :/
TheTundraTerror
BlockedHow?
Taser
Memberimplying that the show isnt already dead
BASS302
MemberYou askin for peaches, when all you can get is peanuts.
ManintheArmor
MemberStill somewhat overpowered. The only thing stopping him are green rocks, magic, and a lack of sunlight.
Then again, since I'm comparing ponies to superheroes, I'd like to do something fun. Let's mix and match personalities to see appropriate analogies.
Twilight = Superman
Rainbow Dash = The Flash
Rarity = Wonder Woman
Applejack = Batman
Flutterahy = ???
Pinkie Pie = ???
Working on it. Maybe another superhero team analogy would be appropriate.
Waffuru
MemberI have to agree a bit. I liked the show's first and second season. The third however is just... disappointing. It does not have the same "umph" like it did before. Now it seems like it is doing nothing but pandering to Bronies instead of trying to be a great show.
TheTundraTerror
Blockedlolwat. It's not dying, it's just becoming more widespread. It's not this little pocket anymore.
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As a message to all the cry babys bawwwwwwwing over this: the studio doesn't owe you a thing. Even if they did, the way people are acting means they shouldn't. You people have zero fucking faith in them to write/animate they show they THEY pour hours upon hours of man hours into. To throw temper tantrums and fits about it like a fucking toddler will result in nothing but a middle finger as you storm off like a child who didn't get dessert.
For all the 'bad' things this will cause, I am not hearing ONE of them in any sane manner. Having Twilight be an alicorn opens up a work of possibilities. Think of all the subjects that they can talk about!
How many people in this world are getting into that age people are growing up and taking on new responsibilities? Twilight is obviously going to have to face some/all/even more off these subjects! Twilight will have to face inner conflicts and existential crisis' of becoming something different! Many people I'm sure have had that time were they're not sure WHAT they are! I'm sure Twilight will have to deal with that!
The show is growing up and so should we!
TheTundraTerror
BlockedFor fuck sakes, if the show stayed the same for 5 seasons and didn't change anything, you still fucking complain! You go on that it's boring and stale and blah blah blah gag me.
KeshaFox
MemberBronies don't like MLP. Bronies like the brony fandom.
Waffuru
MemberI apologize if it seemed like I was complaining and/or whining. Unlike most of the bronies, especially here on e621, I dont give two shits about the show. It can be good or bad. Popular or despised. I dont give a shit.
I like things that I like and I respect any artist that does something that they like.
What I dont like is when something is changed just to please someone/some people.
In "furry art" terms it is like seeing a great artist that does 'safe' works of art changes just to make a few more dollars.
I support them in their decision wholeheartedly for everyone needs to make a living; but that does not mean that I have to keep liking their new work just because it is still the same artist.
Sorry, but that is just my $0.02...
Waffuru
MemberCool, that means I am not a brony!
Classy Bird
MemberWhy are you taking it upon yourself to allow other peoples opinions to bother you? Seriously, I understand that this has possibilities and opens doors for new things for the show. Its just that I believed that by taking away a character's primary role away, what does that leave us?
Examples(I'm using cartoon comparison):
What if Pinky and Brain took over the world?
What if the coyote caught the road-runner?
I guess you can say that I like certain statuses to stay the same. But I will still like the show no matter what I guess. And I might have over-exaggerated when I used the word "kill". I wanted to say that it would bring some minor discomfort as to how others are hoping the show will turn out. You can say that some people like this show so much that they don't want to see it become any more less than what they already think about it when the producers make a certain idea public that the audience is unsure of. Now that I have that out of the way, I don't think you have a right to have a fit about something as ridiculous as an opinion from an individual.
Waffuru
MemberWell Said!
Classy Bird
MemberThanks. I hope you were being serious because a lot of people tend to be sarcastic to me about certain points of a pointless argument.
Waffuru
MemberNegative. I think the same as you.
I remember an episode of Futurama had Fry say: "...the secret of all TV shows is that in the end, everything is back to how it is supposed to be." (or something like that, ha.)
And you are right, this argument is pointless.... mostly because it is occurring on the internet...
DrHorse
MemberSounds like bad fanfiction.
TheTundraTerror
BlockedBecause they won't shut up about all the bad and not think about the good (i.e. what I've already explained.
I want cartoons to be MORE than simple 22 minute skits that can be shown in any order. I want them to have arcs and running plots that continue. I want them to mature beyond what they are. I want them to be a greater art form.
It's not that. It's people crying over change because "change" (at least that's how it comes off. For fuck sakes, remember how they killed Optimus Prime in the original Transformers?
Let me repeat: a show from the 80's killed, FUCKING KILLED, a star character, and yet I doubt many people called the series ruined! The series was still around and the fandom has tons of fans.
Those who do not learn history, tend to repeat it.
I want cartoons to become a true art form, and the only way they can do that is offering change, which breeds potential.
Classy Bird
MemberI think you're right about the Futurama reference.
I just think the argument itself here is pointless. And possibly the fact its on the internet as well.
TheTundraTerror
BlockedCartoon don't just have to be mindless entertainment. They can be used to explore thoughts and ideas and events (both internal and external), and that's something sorely lacking in cartoons of today.
Most of them come off as "the short bus" of animation. It's all LOUD NOISES and hyperactive kids in need of their meds. And yet, at the same time, it's all safe and sterile...
Waffuru
MemberYea, I have a feeling you would be a fun person to debate with though. Maybe another day, HA!
Classy Bird
MemberI understand that a persons statement can seem obtuse, but something they say is just reflecting their own views on it. Just because it bothers doesn't mean you need to take it upon yourself.
As for your hopes on the show reaching a higher potential is a valid and meaningful cause, but you shouldn't expect too much from something not too many cartoons actually develop true arcs or even evolve into a greater form. Not all change can show potential. I just don't cling on to it to where I'm expecting it to become "the best thing ever."
Plus, you left out a few things I did mention in my previous statements.
NewbKitteh
MemberWho cares, I like the picture.
TheTundraTerror
BlockedPeople can make their side known. It's when it gets to the point of mass hysteria as well as only one side being heard.
I'm not expecting it to become "the best thing ever." I'm just saying relax and wait for the show to air.
I left those things out because I wanted to answer questions, not argue points.
If you want to debate about this further, please feel free to PM me over the site inbox. I don't want to have to check up every hour to give my retort.
Classy Bird
MemberThat is actually a matter of perspective and interpretation.
I will have to agree with part of that. Except that no matter how dull or mind numbingly pointless a show is, anyone could pretty much interpret anything from almost any part of it.
Most cartoons nowadays are going nowhere mostly because all the good shows had material that was once considered fresh, exciting and new that the majority audience enjoyed.
Waffuru
MemberYes, you are right. Even as a kid, I could not stand Spongebob due to this fact. It was off the short bus and since then it looks more and more better due to other cartoons becoming worse and worse.
Yes, I also think cartoons deserve overall arcing story lines and plots. I am a huge Avatar fan due to this.
When MLP:FIM originally came out it had this. It had a story line and a constant drive. I dont know anyone who can say otherwise. It shifted slightly in the second season, but was 'within bounds' as it were. Hell, the season two finally is still the single greatest episode in my opinion due to its drive and balance
Third season however has been nothing but a lump of different ideas presenting. The original drive seems to have dissapeared and the writers looking/reaching for ideas that are not coming naturally like the prior seasons.
This can be really seen with the recent episode with Discord. It seemed like the episode was heavily rushed with no real set plot line, but rather a "crowd pleaser" for the Bronies. If not for the brony fandom, would that episode ever have existed?
MLP:FIM is still a good show and I will still watch it, but I am no where near the fan of the third season as I am of the first and most of the second. Thus, I dont give a shit about what happens in the season three finally.
DrHorse
MemberThis is an Alicorn Twilight post. You're not supposed to comment on the image.
Classy Bird
MemberI honestly didn't know that this was a debate/argument. I actually thought that I was having a very civil conversation here.
I actually have to agree with what you're saying now.
I too am just waiting to see where the show is going to go.
TheTundraTerror
BlockedWell, not all debates are crazy and insane. A debate should allows us to present, scrutinize, and understand ideas and positions. That's what we did rather well.
All I wanted to get across, more or less, is just... wait. Not all change is bad.
Classy Bird
MemberAgreed 100%
Classy Bird
MemberI could not have said it better myself. Hehehe, its a little funny actually.
Waffuru
MemberIndeed. I usually say my peace and never look back when there is a hint of a debate online.
Usually it is always a flame war, especially with bronies (and Doctor Who fans).
Although this is quite enjoyable.
Classy Bird
MemberQuite enjoyable indeed.
The part I thought that was funny was that the 3 of us were debating with the same opinion in mind.
Waffuru
MemberCorrect. We all dont care what happens within the show, but rather what the show will be like afterwards and currently is.
Kinda funny... its like a calculus class debating on how to do a problem even though everyone still gets an answer of 42.
Classy Bird
MemberExactly. There are multiple methods of acquiring an answer. As long as you processed the method correctly, you will end up with the same answer as everybody else that got the right answer.
ManintheArmor
MemberImma roll with that. Perfectly fitting.
Alicorn Twilight = Superman
Rainbow Dash = The Flash
Rarity = Wonder Woman
Applejack = Batman
Pinkie Pie = Green Lantern
Fluttershy = Aquaman
Awesome.
Powermare
Memberha
Granberia
Privileged2010
"There are lots of different ways to be a girl."
2013
"Every little girl wants to be a princess"
Shame the show degenerated and ended that way. Whole season 3 was shit, but the last episode is just cherry of vomit on top of it.
Moses
MemberWhile I will agree that Season 3 has mostly been shit, I will disagree about your stance on the moral of the show.
Just because Twilight is become a princess (one episode or forever, yet to be seen) doesn't mean that they went the "every little girl wants to be a princess" route. It could easily be "if you work hard at something you can be anything in life" or "fallow your dreams and you can achieve them."
Just because its a stereotype that "every little girl wants to be a princess" doesn't mean their isn't a little girl that wants to be a princess.
Granberia
PrivilegedThose quotations marks are for a reason. Quote is from here
And if you mean what was written above
I have two words for that.
PRINCE
FUCKING
BLUEBLOOD
So a moral is that if you're a girl you have to work had to achieve something. If you're a male however you're achieve that no matter how hard you work.
Sorry, most of people that achieve something are man. Now go back to kitchen honey!
Also, those "hard work" moral is corrupted by the fact that both Twilight and Cadence are said to be born in Canterlot. Twilight even goes to elite school where probably is rather big fee... But yeah everypony pony can be a princess, right?
But wait, there's more. I dare to say, that Twilight Sparkle haven't done anything that good, to be given so important position. She tends to make many stupid mistakes in critical situations.
Like in Crystal Empire episode. She is underneath the tower with hundreds of steps to walk, and she is not really 100% sure that crystal is there - that could be a false lead.
What logical leader would do? "Rainbow Dash, could you take break for take 10 flat, and check if there's crystal on top of this tower. Or, I don't know, take it midair without triggering the trap." Of course she didn't do it, and almost doomed everyone.
But I don't say that's bad characterization. To me she was student. Powerful, knowledgeable, but still just a student with very little practice of her abilities. She's supposed to make mistakes and learn on them.
And now they are ruining her character completely, and making her, let's say that aloud, canon sue.
I could go on about it, but I think I made my point clear. Actually her becoming alicorn doesn't bother me that much. I like fics with her suddenly waking one day as an alicorn and dealing with those changes. But while not all changes are bad, this is really awful. So awful, that I'm done with the show, and sticking only with fanfics.
Moses
MemberSaying that Twilight has done nothing in the series is going a bit far, and not really being fair to her or the rest of the cast. Also about Prince Blue Blood, he is Celestia's nephew is he not (I actually don't know if this is canon or just fan word) so you can be born into "high places" is a thing, not really a male or female thing, since it seems that Cadence was also born into "high places"
I do think you are reading too deep into it and also jumping to things that don't necessary mean anything. But If that's how you want to feel about it that's cool. I am not trying to change your mind or make you see differently on the issue.
Just that damning the whole show for a single plot point in a episode that hasn't even aired yet seems silly.
Granberia
PrivilegedNot nothing, but nothing that good to be given very responsible position yet.
Read the quote from ew. It's suggested that "In MLP‘s Equestria, “princess” is a designation that’s earned, not freely given"
I'm not damning the whole show because of one episode. As I said in first comment "Whole season 3 was shit, but the last episode is just cherry of vomit on top of it." It was painful to watch season 3, but there was hope, especially since there was 3 episodes in the middle of the season that were better than previous and suggested that it was just a false start. But then was that "Dragon Code" episode, and now the hope is over. There's nothing left.
Moses
MemberFair enough, but really this isn't your choice, in the context of the show it is up to Celestia to chose. This also might be why Luna seemed so "upset" in the start of the season. Time will tell I guess.
Well I wont comment on the EW article since its from a EW journalist and not the shows staff. But at the same time, there isn't anything to prove that just cause he is a "price" that Blue Blood has any power or standing (outside a title) at all. I mean he isn't a alicorn. There also has not been any shown or talked about reason that Cadence has been a alicorn ever since she was really young.
I mostly agree, but I am also willing to look at it as they had a off season,. Happens with a lot of shows. Doesn't mean they never came back and did a better one.
Granberia
Privileged@Moses
One of the things I hate in this season is that it made Celestia look like a psychotic moron. It's like the image of Dumbledore in bad quality fanfic by someone who hates him. Only without being fanmade part.
And if it's only off season then what's left from it?
Twilight Sparkle as a character is ruined.
Princess Celestia is ruined.
Trixie is ruined.
Discord is ruined.
Spitfire is ruined.
Spike is mostly ruined.
For me they've reached the point beyond any possible repair.
Granberia
PrivilegedOkay, maybe if there would be canon discontinuity, and all season 3 will be just a dream.
DrHorse
MemberWhich is quite an accomplishment seeing as she was only a sexy voice before season 3.
Moses
MemberI really do think they fucked up some of the stuff they did this season (too much solo pony episodes not enough about friendship), and that over all it is a wash.
But I do not think any character other maybe discord has been "ruined". I like what they did with Trixie (I hope to see more of her), never cared about spike or Celestia, and even less so about spitfire. I also feel that they are giving Twilight a chance to be more than "the nerdy student" and I am willing to see what they plan to do with that in the 4th season. If that turns into a wash as well than who knows, might be done as well. I just believe its too early to call it quits.
And at the end we are where we started. So I guess I will just say: Agree to Disagree?
Waffuru
MemberI have to agree with Gilda fully.
I think the major debate/separation here is on what kind of "brony" we are.
If you are a die hard fan that is more into the fandom itself, then you are fine with the 3rd season overall and are still looking forward to the fourth. You may or may not have liked season three's episodes, but you are still overall enthralled with MLP:FIM.
If you are fan of the show due to the show itself, like Gilda, CJY101, and myself (sorry if this is not true to the two of you), then you are just not looking forward to the season finally nor season four at all. We see that season three has lost sight of what made this show great to us and has killed off character expectations. We also see that for season four, and ultimately the show in general, to go on and be good is nearly impossible due to how badly structured the show has become. We all will watch and hope, but the hope is not strong, and we all think that they will never be like the re-watchable shows that seasons one and two produced that made us fans of this "little girl's cartoon."
Classy Bird
MemberOh, I agree with most of what you're saying. I do look forward to the show to a certain extent on my part. True, that season 3 has gone off track to its original idea, yet it did have a few comforting moments. Overall, I was disappointed. On the other hand, I still find the entire premise of the show to be re-watchable soley because I find it entertaining.
Ohm Machre
MemberI am going to throw my small snippet in, just because I feel like it. I'm not here for a debate or argument.....
Twilight Sparkle alicorn: I see this as completely neutral ground. Why?
It all depends on how it's worked out.
Depending on what the writers are going to do with this will determine whether it's an okay idea or a complete ruiner for me.
What type of brony am I: I'm not in it ( at the moment ) for one or the other.
I'm in it, currently, for BOTH the show and fandom. But I'm not completely devoted to either.
So that's how it is.
dunesick
Member"Although rumors and speculations about the event already made their round on various places, the first official information confirming Twilight Sparkle turning into a princess was in an exclusive article on Entertainment Weekly[1] released on January 29th, 2013, containing an interview with the show’s head writer Meghan McCarthy. According to McCarthy, this was a planned event as Twilight Sparkle "was set up from the very beginning to be on an important journey"
Looks like it's canon
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/twilight-sparkle-alicorn-controversy
inb4 "lolknowurmeme is not credible source fake thxbai"
If you still think it's fake then Entertainment Weekly must be trolls too
TempestDreamer
MemberSince Celestia rules the daytime, Luna the nighttime, Cadence ????, I assume Twilight's role in being a princess would be to travel to hostile territories and establish friendship, write peace treaties, and form alliances there. This will give her knowledge of friendship a good test.
She could also be everypony's sponsor: Applejack could distribute (organic) produce across Equestria, Pinkie Pie and the Cakes could expand their bakery business, Fluttershy could run a animal rescue/adoption organization, Rarity could start a clothing line of dresses, and Rainbow Dash ......????? I got nothing.
The conflict? Will huge success destroy their friendship?
BAXi
Memberhttp://cdn.alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/large/misc-are-you-fucking-kidding-me-l.png
Drflash55
Member73-77th comment here... BTW, I read all of them. And I say, about 10 mins were wasted.
Drflash55
MemberI meant. *squee*
FireBlaze666.666.666
MemberDue to most calculations by bronys mlp gen4!!! Will most likely end in 2022 :)
FireBlaze666.666.666
Member8 more seasons
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