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NinjaPizzaCat
MemberThose stockings are delicious
user 268272
MemberHere's a philosophical question: Is it really gay if you're attracted to the fact that he's outwardly feminine? Is the difference between gay and straight attraction the fact he has a dick?
If you fucked a clone of yourself, is it gay or masturbation? So many questions...
dracotay
BlockedHe's so cute, and oh my that video '<_<
Somerandomvoir
MemberI always like to think that there's subcatagories for things like that. Like masculine female, feminine male. Kinda like a scale, leftmost is feminine female,rightmost is masculine male, and the middle there is a line and the closer the dial is to it on a side is masculine female or feminine male.
MajorFuzzball
Member"WARNING! I turn straight guys gay"
Is kinda true o3o
IANF
MemberhaHAA jokes on you, i was already gay
BDOTH
BlockedThis image is tagged female.
The shirt makes no sense.
Whygena
MemberThat's weird. It's fixed now
Karimi
Memberconsidering that there is no bulge, according to TWYS, the female tag is right.
there should be a bulge there though. that would make it much better and accurate
jpkurihara
MemberI forget how stupid the TWYS rule is sometimes
Ochinchinooki
Memberlemme give you the simple answer
yes its gay theres no way around it
IchHabs
MemberCan't we just tag it as ambigious?
Lackwit
Memberbut
why are the tags locked
**WHYGENA** tagged it as male
Random
MemberI mean, the crotch is covered by mm of cloth. If there was male junk there, it'd be visible.
Combine that with feminine physique, and you have a female tag.
This doesn't change the character, just the categorization of the individual image.
Lackwit
MemberYou know that inconsistently tagging a character's sex appropriately makes it REALLY hard to actually find the right content _of_ that character, right? The rule isn't good. You shouldn't be able to overturn the artist. They are the creators. This site, is not.
Twigs
MemberMy boyfriend says I should have this shirt.
MisterJay
MemberIf that's the case, why isn't this simply listed as ambiguous? There's no bulge, there's no breasts. For all you know it could even be a cuntboy. These gender tag wars baffle me.
InternSP
MemberWhere can I buy this shirt at?
InternSP
Memberwhygena specifically made Reggie a boy so it deserves the "male" tag
Umbrelievable
MemberHow is this female?
Ibzan
MemberIf it's got a Y Chromo, you're a Homo
SPNKRGrenth
MemberI've got a serious question. How am I supposed to search for feminine girly trap furries, if so many of of them are intentionally being mistagged as female?
Am I being kink shamed? Is there a better porn site for furries that tags things like this correctly?
I love cute little gay traps, so it's frustrating that so many of them are hidden away in the sea that is the female tag where I can't really find them.
ginkei
MemberVery effective then
user 291412
MemberOk. Normally I would agree with this, however take one look at this picture and you immediately know he's a male because of the shirt. That means if a strait guy types in "female" and finds this image as soon as he sees the shirt, he'll know the mouse is a male. Using only what's in the picture everyone is able to tell this is a male and that's why I think he should be tagged as one.
Umbrelievable
MemberYou have a very good point.
Trenton Worthy
MemberLook, bro, you're cute and all, but I'm sorry. Nothing you do is gonna make me gay. It's just my preference. shrugs
chargingpanda
MemberExactly. The shirt is part of what you see. And people are just trying to tag what they see. The lack of 'obvious male genitalia' can just be part of the style. Maybe the artist just wanted to make cute art without cramming a bulge in it. That way it's nice to look at for a variety of viewers, rather than just the ones that want to see dick.
Random
MemberThere are plenty of boorus and sites where users are free to define their tags at will. Good luck finding things on them.
Brian O'Blivion
MemberThe way tags for this image have been decided as per current policy makes this image imply Reggie's so fucking awful that she makes guys go for guys instead and that's pretty funny to me.
AquamarineRose
Memberon the clone of yourself thing I said that scientific clones are incest and gay (because it only shares your DNA) whilst a 'supernatural made' clone would be masturbation, but still kinda gay because you have to be gay enough to literally screw yourself, And a 'magic' clone would have more of your personality in it.
Dead Knight
MemberThis whole damn site turns you gay.
Sarujinie
Member"WARNING! I turn straight guys gay"
Mercy did it better
Sparkmane
MemberI don't think this character is obviously male or obviously female. Even with the shirt, it could be 'I'm so boyish but still so sexy that I make guys gay'.
With the lack of visible breasts and the lack of visible genitals, I would also think this would be ambiguous - but to be fair to the mods, you'd think he'd have SOME manner of bulge in those panties, even a little acorn nub, if he had any sort of peen.
I think that smooth crotch is why the staff is insisting this be tagged as female. Someone could edit in a little swelling if they were better than me, but that might be insulting to the original artist.
I see people complaining that they can't find the traps they crave because of this sort of thing - would anyone object to this image and others like it being tagged as 'boyish' to help them out?
mrmistah
MemberThis is true
The kinsey scale kinda sorta is similar to this, but works on both genders.
AROURAtheHYBRID
Memberthe rule is stupid, you know the rule is stupid, everyone say's its stupid, no-one will remove THEIR art because YOUR rules are stupid, and if someone blacklists female, they'll never find this male character in these posts because YOUR rules are contradicting the actual character themselves. if the artist them self posts something they should be the one to be able to tag it. not the admins or members ect., because clearly they do it better then you. the artist should also probably be allowed to add people they think are allowed to tag their stuff. and if this comment get me a negative, or removed, i don't care. it's my comment. it's my opinion. and I believe i should be allowed to try and help out the artist. you know.. again.. the one who should be the one to tell us if it has a dick or not.
FuckingJesusChrist
MemberI completely agree with this person. Blaming a person for not following ridiculous rules doesn't really make any sense. Creators should be able to tell us what their art is without interference, and admins being able to change tags for not much of a reason is a good step towards the abuse of the power. TO BE HONEST, I think Whygena should've made a bulge in the art to make it more obvious. So he has some fault for confusion of his characters gender. But he should still have the final say in what the characters gender actually is.
MoonWave VR
MemberId gladly ride Reggie
Rainbow64
MemberReggie is a guy's name, therefore a male, so change it to male, you fucking assholes!
EightyNine
MemberOf all the arguments you could've put forward, you went with literally the worst possible one.
gg
ohheklenu
MemberSo THIS gets tagged with female.... but mikhaila still gets tagged cuntboy???
Like I don't understand this website anymore its just random.
ohheklenu
MemberMost of the pics with mikhaila are very feminine not really what I'm looking for when I search up cuntboy. Here in the picture the shirt says "I turn straight guys gay" I would at least expect a cuntboy tag but female is not the best assumption when looking at this image.
MissChu
MemberCan we please not have this discussion/argument on one of these pictures? Enjoy the art.
Bologna-Chan
MemberThere shouldn't be any gender tags because who are we to assign gender to a cartoon character? #ImFixingTheWorldWithAHashtag
WhiteStarPony
MemberEnforcement of TWYS has never been consistent. Ever. Reggie is tagged female, Mikhaila is tagged cuntboy, hell I've seen images of Rainbow Dash tagged as cuntboy because "flat chest" (even though horses don't usually have tits), and lizard chicks and dudes get the same, because internal genitals aren't a thing in the world of the mods. If the rules were applied to enforce overtagging it wouldn't be an issue, but mikhaila gets removed from the flat female pool because she isn't busty enough, Reggie gets pulled from the male pool because no package (because no trans-woman has EVER tucked before, it just doesn't happen EVER). To get right down to brass tacks the way the majority of mods enforce TWYS, if a "female" doesn't have huge tits, "she's" a male, and if a "male" doesn't have a massive dick and balls "he's" a female. That's the interpretation of TWYS that the mods have and that's that.
Spoonman
MemberCharr from Guild Wars 2 used to get it bad, even though there were strict identifiers that demonstrated their sexual dimorphism.
ASOLF
MemberI appear to have fallen for a trap due to the damn tags again. Out of curiosity, considering the vast amount of tags on this site, why are there no "lore" or "canon" tags to go with the TWYS tags (like written on the description here)?
Tag wars would fall hella shorter if you could have "female" and "canon_male" "canon_trap" on the list here for instance.
EclipseThewolf
Memberid like to think hes not only a trap. but the perfect guy.
ohheklenu
MemberI mean they are very adamant in keeping this system in which the first mod to see it decides the gender and locks the tags. I'm not saying its the worst system but I don't understand this unwillingness to implement a slight addition to the rule. To be fair it works the worst that happens is sometimes a comic with an intersex character gets tagged with female and then people have to deal with 30 foot dong on the next page.
xarexabi
MemberI could wear a shirt with some text on it that implies that I'm female. Does that make me female?
ArtSkunk EsmeBelles
MemberGOD DAMNIT! XD! all i picture when i read that is some guy at a computer looking at a porn comic and then he clicks to turn the page and... *BLAP! Cockslap* a massive dick comes flying out of the screen and knocks him out of his chair.... lmfao
uFxbazvPp9WqeAd
MemberIt just occurred to me. If these Reggie pics are going to be tagged female, shouldn't they be tagged crossgender as well?
Since crossgender "refers to an image of a character of one gender depicted as one of the opposite sex" from the wiki. Reggie is canonically a male character, so if he is being "depicted as the opposite sex" then it qualifies for the crossgender tag. Crossgender as a tag can't abide by TWYS since it relies on outside information at its core.
NevanNedall
MemberThis is why I hate tag what you see. A character who is a known male, in an image with very obvious gay implications, is being tagged female because of the subjective opinion of a viewer. There is nothing about this character that says it's female, at most it should be tagged ambiguous according to this site down rules, but because a mode decided otherwise, we get blatantly incorrect tagging for the sake of an already flawed rule.
TheOneDoom
MemberWell that's a straight up lie, plenty of things are tagged wrong for what you're looking at, don't see you fixing that, you're just trying to push a specific agenda.
user 332722
MemberSo basically traps aren't gay.
Tir
MemberTWYS will always be a terrible rule but I'm not the one who pays for this site to be up. Just makes it hilarious to see a "I'm going to turn you gay" shirt and still have it tagged fem.
ATLAS JET
MemberI swear that shirt could not be any more true
Lunacy
MemberI can see why with the lack of bulge.
WhoNeedsAUserName
MemberI quit internet
Z3R0-SUIT RIDL3Y
MemberWho the fuck locked the tags?
Reggie is a femboy, therefore this image should be tagged as "male", not "female".
The "Tag What You See" politic is dumb sometimes, especially when the shirt explicitly says "I turn straight guys gay" which implies it's a boy, but people don't even bother reading and will just tag it as whatever they *want to see*. smh
Z3R0-SUIT RIDL3Y
MemberThat doesn't make much sense, considering some people don't know the character and will stumble across them and think it's a girl at first, only to find out it was boy the whole time, which makes things very confusing.
Plus, if the artist themselves tag their own artworks, they're the most qualified to tell what gender is their character, so please don't change that for a pointless reason.
Z3R0-SUIT RIDL3Y
MemberTraps would be gay if you discover about their actual gender and still fuck them.
NotMeNotYou
AdminExcept the "pointless reason" is a tagging system purely based on visual information present in every individual picture. A tagging system that has been in our rules since 2007, and something the artist should have researched when they signed up for an account and started posting. If you sign up to and use our page you're subjected to all of our rules.
Or it's worn by a woman so massively psychotic the boyfriend will turn gay instead of remaining straight. That argument is completely and entirely irrelevant.
Z3R0-SUIT RIDL3Y
MemberBut apparently you never took the time to question the site's rules. Just because "it's the rules" doesn't mean it's right.
Also, how would you feel if you created a character of a certain gender but some site like r34 or e6 decided to tag it as the opposite because they "tag what they see" ? I honestly would hate it if people decided of my own character's gender without even asking me. Now I don't know how Whygena feels about all this, but whether they accept it or not, I doubt all artists would be okay with that.
... wtf ? This is waaaay too far-fetched.
Reggie's a femboy because the artist clearly said so, period. Why make things uselessly complicated ? You're just trying to find an excuse for not reading the very obvious clue that was written on his shirt. That doesn't make my argument irrelevant in any way, especially because I took the time to get info from the artist's artwork.
More seriously, I don't wanna disrespect the mods / admins because I enjoy e6's content, but please have some respect for the artist's work as well, especially when they're the one who provides your site with their art.
Honestly, how would it hurt you to tag the image properly ? That'd make things much easier for everyone and we wouldn't have to argue anymore.
NotMeNotYou
AdminWe have discussed the rules, possible changes, different systems, and similar topics ad nauseum internally and with our users. Tag What You See is the only system available to us that is as objective as possible, in itself consistent, and does not rely on external information. The latter is especially important when it comes to information being lost due to shut down pages, deleted submissions, or similar.
It's not perfect, but it's the best we can use.
Also, I wouldn't feel bad about any of my characters getting misgendered, the tags are only "this looks like" and not "this actually is".
I'm not looking for an excuse to not read the shirt, I offered you an alternate valid interpretation of what's written there. The main point, however, is that we fully ignore text in images. The shirt could be worn ironically, or the short could have a picture of pair of jeans on it, it would not affect the gender tags, ever.
Our impartial, mandatory tagging system is the single most important part of our page. Every selling point of our page centers around our tags, and them being correct. The image is properly tagged according to our guidelines and rules, and we will not deviate from it, regardless of how many people are unwilling to understand our tagging system.
Z3R0-SUIT RIDL3Y
MemberThat's the whole point of getting the info : preserving it in case its source gets deleted for a reason x or y other than the artist deliberately removing it.
If you can get it (which is currently the case), then there's no excuse to not do so. And the info in itself is visual since Reggie is often shown in explicit situations in which we can see his penis and flat chest. "Tag What You See", right ?
These obvious visual clues (which you absolutely can't miss unless you're blind)
you can see on other posts confirm that Reggie isn't wearing his shirt ironically, but because he is, indeed, a boy who "turns straight guys gay".
I understand why TWYS exists, and it really helps when I'm looking for a big tiggy female goat or a muscular male dragon, but tags should also fit context and characters (just like with the "mother_and_son" tag which can't be put just because a young male is having sex with an older female, but because they're canonically mother and son (biologically or not), for example) to make things less confusing as I said earlier.
Some people don't wanna jack off to a boy thinking it's just a flat girl and then notice it's actually a boy (I know that's the point of a trap, but this shouldn't apply to a website on which you look up pics with specific tags). When you look for a picture with tags, you're expecting to find exactly what you're looking for, and not something that "looks like it, but could possibly not be it". See what I mean ?
Since you already replied to some of the comments above that are arguing that the tagging is wrong, I'm not gonna quote them and explain why they're right as you're smart enough to understand their point.
Now, remember that I'm not criticizing you in particular, but e6's policy in general. The reason why I keep arguing is because I think there's still room for improvement and when some people create a search-based website, they gotta keep in mind that if some of the artwork is tagged according to "what you see" and not to what it really is, it'll end up mixing things up (if traps are being lost among actual females, just imagine clicking on the character's tag only to see plenty of pics of themselves with a dick when you thought they were a girl, nobody wants to see that).
TWYS can also lead to misinterpretation, as an admin could for example misgender a character and decide to lock the tags, making us regular members unable to correct them. Which is why locking tags shouldn't even be a thing in the first place (Wikipedia doesn't lock editing even on the most important articles, so why even would e6 lock tags ? Even though both site's objectives are very different, they're both community-driven websites on which admins, artists and members alike can upload / write stuff they find that fit the website's subject, which is why I think they should work the same way.).
I know I spend too much time writing this shit on a porn website, but if it can help...
NotMeNotYou
AdminOur page is not at all like wikipedia. Wikipedia's goal is to be an encyclopedia about every subject on the planet, our page is an archive for furry art. However the distinction doesn't even stop there, while wikipedia wants to describe subjects or sometimes even distinct books, our tagging system is only there to describe the pictures inside those books at best.
This means that wikipedia also concerns itself with the more abstract things surrounding a book, which may have contributed to making the book end up as it did, but our tags only care about images inside the book, and not about anything else.
The information surrounding the book can be placed inside the wiki pages or descriptions, wherever it's more relevant, but the tags themselves are purely for the visual cues inside the images itself.
To make matters worse for your argument, you say we can clearly see that Reggie is a male in other images. I present to you post #1729090 & post #1727216, both of which clearly show Reggie as a pure female. In both cases via magic, but how can you tell that the image above wasn't made during one of those genderbends?
In fact, look at the pose of this post, and at his more regularly displayed male endowements at post #1823822, post #1676539, and even post #1777990. All of those images clearly show that a) there is a bulge, b) Reggi has a pretty big wiener. Now look at the image above no tug job known to mankind would be able to hide any of that as perfectly as it would be required for the image to be this perfectly flat. It's either that Reggie is a female here in this image, or his panties have a portal that transport his genitals to a different dimension.
Which brings us back to TWYS, do you see a female crotch or a male crotch? Is the rest of the character masculine or feminine? Both of those questions point to feminine for this image, thus the tag.
_xiper
MemberYou mean bi?
Freedoomfrot999
MemberHis shirt doesn't lie.
Reinquished
MemberDespite the shirt, crossgender + female works fine here (and the parent). Can't say I've ever seen a girly male with dick-tucking skills that strong.
NevanNedall
MemberWay to leave out the obvious fact that Reggie has tits in both of those but ok.
The rest of your response can be summed up with this:
am·big·u·ous
/amˈbiɡyo͞oəs/
adjective
(of language) open to more than one interpretation; having a double meaning.
"ambiguous phrases"
unclear or inexact because a choice between alternatives has not been made.
I don't want to be a sarcastic prick but honestly, this is ridiculous, the fact that this was so obviously drawn to be a trap joke and that one person's interpretation can render the point of searching tags or blacklisting completely pointless to some of your users is pretty tiring.
NotMeNotYou
AdminI am aware it's a trap joke. I am full well aware Reggie is supposed to be the perfect trap. But in this picture he clearly has a female crotch and is otherwise extremely feminine. It makes absolutely no sense tagging this image as anything but female due to the fact that he very much looks like a female and nothing else.
Dolphiii
MemberWoops
Blaiddlover69
MemberI think that the orientation depends on what aspects you're attracted to. I like femboys in a very gay way, but a straight dude who mainly likes the feminine aspects of them could still be considered straight. Orientation is made up anyway, but that's what I think.
As for the masturbation, I think it depends on who gets the physical pleasure. While I throughly enjoy giving handjobs to others, that of course doesn't count as masturbation. So if it was a clone of myself, and that clone received separate pleasure, than it would not be masturbation.
Fuckface82
MemberYah this is true. I used to be straight now I want to be dominated by guys
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