This is a little something that crept up in IRC today.

(Links to all relevant wikipages are in the section at the bottom)

We currently have the tag(s) *_penetration (vaginal-, oral- and anal_penetration) and we have the tags *_insertion (again, vaginal-, oral- and anal_insertion) on this site, however, the wiki on *_insertion is currently empty and implies penetration, while *_penetration contains any form of insertion of a foreign object into the orifice in question.

As it currently stands, insertion doesn't really serve any useful purpose, while penetration is pretty broad.

The discussion in IRC was "What differentiates penetration from insertion?", and this did go a bit back and forth, enough for me to create this topic so we can settle this and maybe make both types of tags more useful for all.

Most in IRC would like to use the *_insertion for anything inserted in any type of orifice that wasn't there at the time of creation (eg. penis, toys, fists, houses, spaceships, entire galaxies and the likes) while *_penetration should only be used for the "standart" penis-in-X type of penetration.

I like this idea too, as it gives us the option to search more easily for "vanilla sex" of Penis in orifice, and gives us the option to then search for the more exotic types of penetration, eg. toys like spaceships, fists and that sort of thing.

I'm personally not exactly sure where to place tentacles and tails, however I would go with penetration, since one could insert a egg fully, while inserting a penis, tentacle or tail fully is rather seldom without ripping said appendage clean off, or taking the rest of the person with them.

With all these things said, my proposals for this would be:

1.) Unimplicate *_insertion from *_penetration
2.) *_penetration to be used only for: Penis, tentacle, tails
3.) *_insertion to be used for everything else (toys, fists, other objects)
4.) Change all wikis to reflect the changes

What are your thoughts on this?
Would this make things easier? Does this make sense? Do you have a better idea? Who would be crazy enough to retag basically everything? Why do I ask so many rhetoric questions?

Discuss!

As I said before, shouldn't things like strap-ons be counted as penetration, because they are basically a detachable penis and if penis counts as *_penetration, shouldn't that be penetration too?

My vote is for:

Penetration: Any living, sex-related object being inserted, such as penises or tentacles. Hands/fists wouldn't count because while they're living (or attached to a living thing), their primary purpose isn't sex-related.

Insertion: Everything else. Toys, dildos, beads, batteries, tails, hands, whole people.

Basically, penetration is for standard sexual-organ insertion. Insertion covers everything else.

First of all - forum #42850
Here it was discussion of implications.

If I understand correctly *_insertion tags are for penetration, when penetration is not done by another person, but an object. All insertions, are penetrations, but not all penetrations are insertions, so tag is not useless. And I'm not for a change unless there is good reason for it.

Since tentacles don't count as person (tentacles on male don't get gay tag) I think that *_insertion is valid tag for them.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Since tentacles don't count as person (tentacles on male don't get gay tag) I think that *_insertion is valid tag for them.

But aren't tentacles like living creatures too...usually? I mean a lot of the time they have some sort of way to produce semen of some sort...or at least have the ability to know that something is there and to be able to fill all of that creatures holes with its tentacles...
Basically, its quite aware of its surroundings...wouldn't that kinda help classify it as living?

Personally, I always though penetration = everything and insertion = anything not physically attached to another person(i.e. penises, tentacles etc.).
So sort of a set/sub-set relationship.
All insertions are penetrations, but not all penetrations are insertions.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Since tentacles don't count as person (tentacles on male don't get gay tag) I think that *_insertion is valid tag for them.

Cuntboy on male doesn't get the gay tag either, does that mean cuntboys don't count as people?

tony311 said:
Cuntboy on male doesn't get the gay tag either, does that mean cuntboys don't count as people?

They also don't get counted in quantity tags. It was said in forum #62769

tony311 said:
Cuntboy on male doesn't get the gay tag either, does that mean cuntboys don't count as people?

Female on male also doesn't get the gay tag. Clearly women aren't people.

Snowy said:
Female on male also doesn't get the gay tag.

..Are you trolling? Or are you srs?

sorry for going slightly off-topic but can we agree that anal_sex -> anal_penetration needs to be dealiased? That topic kind of died out...