Implicating bit_gag, ball_gag, ring_gag, cock_gag -> gag.

Reason: All these accessories restrict a character's ability to speak, therefore the character is gaged and the accessories listed are gags.

Furry_Fanatic said:
Implicating bit_gag, ball_gag, ring_gag, cock_gag, muzzle -> gag.

Reason: All these accessories restrict a character's ability to speak, therefore the character is gaged and the accessories listed are gags.

You wrapped all those together.

Well there certainly is a large amount of each. It has my vote

Don't forget the couch gag.

But really, they point to the same thing. Seconded

bit gag
ball gag
ring gag
cock gag

It's right there in the name, sounds good

muzzle
Not 100% sure about this one, but it does fit the definition of as gag, though external, as opposed to internal

What about tapegag?

Tapegag, no thanks. Maybe not really a gag

I kind of see what you mean by muzzle being a type of exterior equipment. A gag, according to dictionary.com, is something put into a person's mouth to prevent speech. So when we think of a gag, we think of something in the mouth. A muzzle is therefore not technically a gag.

So if this could be implented by some mod, just without the alias to muzzle, that would be great.

I'm in favor of these implications, and agree muzzle and tapegag, though serving a similar purpose, are not gags.

I've always hated the "gag" tag because it's also a verb, with a totally different meaning, that could easily be tagged.

Hammie said:
I've always hated the "gag" tag because it's also a verb, with a totally different meaning, that could easily be tagged.

Use "gag" for the physical object and "gagging" for the verb. Conflict resolved!

Yeah, that's how most places solve the conflict.
It still can be somewhat confusing, and people don't always follow that well even when it's defined that way.

My personal favorite way I've seen of dealing with it is tags for "gag_(verb)" and "gag_(noun)" but I don't think that's something that's really done here.

Hammie said:
My personal favorite way I've seen of dealing with it is tags for "gag_(verb)" and "gag_(noun)" but I don't think that's something that's really done here.

That's a pretty interesting idea Hammie
It might be a bit confusing for non-English-speaking users though

Typically we take the noun form of tags, although verb forms are acceptable. I was fixing posts with the tag muzzle and I came across a few posts tagged as muzzled.

Hammie said:
Yeah, that's how most places solve the conflict.
It still can be somewhat confusing, and people don't always follow that well even when it's defined that way.

My personal favorite way I've seen of dealing with it is tags for "gag_(verb)" and "gag_(noun)" but I don't think that's something that's really done here.

Well you can just use gag for the noun and gagging for the verb
Edit:Sorry Hammie I just wanted to make it clear

Uh, yeah. That what the first line of my quote there was referring to.

Still waiting. :)

OKay, so...

• bit_gag implies gag
• ball_gag implies gag
• ring_gag implies gag
• cock_gag implies gag

is that right?

Muzzle.. hmm. muzzle is an interesting one. It seems to be missused a portion of the time.. I am debating if muzzle should alias to muzzled, ... or if:

muzzle is aliased to muzzle_(object)
muzzle_(object) implies muzzled

?

what do you guys think?

muzzle should be refer to snout IMO. muzzle_(object) should imply muzzled. I see the object as having much more uncommon usage because it has bondage/fetish connotations. Because of that, I think the object should get the longer tag name.

I don't think snout should even be a tag. we don't tag eyeballs, or ears, or fingers and toes, legs, arms, etc. Snout would be on almost every single picture.

Muzzle should not be used to refer to facial features either. Hense aliasing to the object.

Of course, if there is disagreement with me, then I woudl advise starting a fresh forum thread, so that other interested parties can participate. In the mean time, this (nearly finished!)post is about gags, not muzzles or snouts :)

• bit_gag implies gag

ball_gag implies gag
ring_gag implies gag
cock_gag implies gag

Is that correct?

That looks correct. Re: muzzles, I'd go with "muzzled" so people don't mistake it as referring to a snout and tag everything with it.

SnowWolf said:

• bit_gag implies gag

ball_gag implies gag
ring_gag implies gag
cock_gag implies gag

Is that correct?

That is correct.

Just as a note, I did a tagging project earlier and checked all the posts taged as muzzle, changing it to snout if necessary. Several posts were tagged as muzzled (correctly), however I didn't use the tag muzzled when correcting the posts.

aliasing muzzle to muzzled to keep that straight is reasonable.

Added:

• bit_gag implies gag

ball_gag implies gag
ring_gag implies gag
cock_gag implies gag

• muzzle aliased to muzzled

Furry_Fanatic said:
That is correct.

Just as a note, I did a tagging project earlier and checked all the posts taged as muzzle, changing it to snout if necessary. Several posts were tagged as muzzled (correctly),

You are awesome. :) thank you :)

however I didn't use the tag muzzled when correcting the posts.

That's fine. with an impending alias, changing that easy time would have been a waste of your time :)

WHOO! :D

Oh hey I didn't look at this part, hm.

Could someone please:

• look through here (or tag search *gag*) and find all the 'other' gags floating around and either:
• change them to fit in with one of the other 'types' of gags (like.. um... I guess bone_gag would be a bit_gag? I have no clue. I know nothing about gags...)
• establish a new tag to cover a 'forgotten' type of gag (like uh.. I think spider_gag is a thing we havn't covered??)
• retag them to actually 'suit' the image
• or something.

• edit the wikipages for the types of gags to make sure they:
• Reflect the current definitions of the tags
• Give at least a basic description of what that tag is.
• And at least have a 'see also' to direct to the main page for gag (and that gag lists all the gag-types there..)

and.. yeah. I think tha'ts it.

Oh.
also added:

• muzzled implies muzzle_(object)

I ALMOST added gagged implies gag, but I dunno if tha'ts true. is post #238797 considdered to have a gag in it?

I could find some time to work through all things gag related, both in tags and in the wiki.

SnowWolf said:
I ALMOST added gagged implies gag, but I dunno if tha'ts true. is post #238797 considdered to have a gag in it?

Earlier in this forum we discussed what classified as a gag and if a muzzle counted as a gag, which we decided it didn't using the following definition:

Furry_Fanatic said:
A gag, according to dictionary.com, is something put into a person's mouth to prevent speech. So when we think of a gag, we think of something in the mouth.

So I myself don't consider duct tape, blindfolds, or anything covering the mouth a gag. A tag for such may have to be discussed another time.

Furry_Fanatic said:
I could find some time to work through all things gag related, both in tags and in the wiki.

Earlier in this forum we discussed what classified as a gag and if a muzzle counted as a gag, which we decided it didn't using the following definition:
So I myself don't consider duct tape, blindfolds, or anything covering the mouth a gag. A tag for such may have to be discussed another time.

well, I think the time for such discussion is now.

What would you call those thigns then? I searched my brain and came up with 'gag' :P

also a muzzle_(object) does not necessarily prevent speech... it depends on what type of muzzle. Some (like post #72386 ) are designed to squeeze the muzzle shut, others are the classic 'cage' around muzzle intended to prevent biting -- post #73774 post #31331 post #3872 and do nothign to block speech., while others are a simple band aroudn the snout: post #230831

That said, muzzle_(object) seems like it need some clarification.

Some of these 'muzzles' seem to remind me more of gags-- post #90545 post #85325 post #75427 post #62473

and muzzle_(object) appears to be applied to any kind of straps wrapped around the face and snout... even thogugh in some cases it's a halter like a horse would wear to control movement, rather then to prevent speech, or jaw movement, or prevent biting: post #75899 post 89775 post #36515

Basically what I"m saying is... so we've got some implications set up, now. But muzzle needs work, and what baout the 'cloth over/around/in mouth "gags"?

SnowWolf said:
well, I think the time for such discussion is now.

What would you call those thigns then? I searched my brain and came up with 'gag' :P

also a muzzle_(object) does not necessarily prevent speech... it depends on what type of muzzle. Some (like post #72386 ) are designed to squeeze the muzzle shut, others are the classic 'cage' around muzzle intended to prevent biting -- post #73774 post #31331 post #3872 and do nothign to block speech., while others are a simple band aroudn the snout: post #230831

There seem to be three (main) types of muzzle -
muzzle as gag; muzzle as head harness; muzzle as an abbreviated sort of head cage.

That said, muzzle_(object) seems like it need some clarification.

Some of these 'muzzles' seem to remind me more of gags-- post #90545 post #85325 post #75427 post #62473

and muzzle_(object) appears to be applied to any kind of straps wrapped around the face and snout... even thogugh in some cases it's a halter like a horse would wear to control movement, rather then to prevent speech, or jaw movement, or prevent biting: post #75899 post 89775 post #36515

Basically what I"m saying is... so we've got some implications set up, now. But muzzle needs work, and what baout the 'cloth over/around/in mouth "gags"?

'tape gag' or 'panel gag' would fit, but for the definition upthread...

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I've seen the classic kerchief-in-mouth type referred to as a 'cleave gag'. (and where do you get kerchiefs these days, anyway?)
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So it seems that a muzzle can serve various purposes, e.g., to constrain the mouth from biting, speaking, or moving in general. The muzzle can be combined with a gag to serve multiple uses, such as constraining the mouth and preventing speech.

Furry_Fanatic said:
So it seems that a muzzle can serve various purposes, e.g., to constrain the mouth from biting, speaking, or moving in general. The muzzle can be combined with a gag to serve multiple uses, such as constraining the mouth and preventing speech.

Perhaps it would be better to spilt things up a little?

Have head_harness (or halter, maybe) where it's (one of) the main bondage/control method(s), like post #230831

Have muzzle refer to the over-the-snout/mouth cage type and have *_gag apply solely to the object that goes in or covers the mouth, irrespective of the attachment method or number of straps?