Implicating genital_slit → slit
Link to implication

Reason:

A slit isn't always a genital slit, but the reversed is true.

As it stands, we have to add both when tagging something with a genital slit (usually a male scalie or cetacean) since many newer people will simply search for the less specific 'slit'. Can't fault them for that. Tagging both manually can be a chore and easy to forget as well, leading to unnecessary branching of posts.

The combination should thus be automatically made if genital_slit is tagged. That would get rid of most of the issue.

What do we use slit for otherwise?

Rainbow_Dash said:
What do we use slit for otherwise?

Beats me, but why's the genital_slit tag seeing so much use then? That one is to slit what cum_on_leg is to cum, it's a more specific version.

If what you say is true and slit has no other uses, then we should really just alias this tag to slit, like 'vent' and other synonyms have been in the past.
Since it hasn't been aliased and is actively being used that made me assume there were at least some other uses for the more general-sounding tag. Makes some sense, right?

The fact of the matter is that people are currently using the two interchangeably when tagging. It causes a divide in the search results whenever someone doesn't tag both, which is inconvenient and unneededly so. People searching for slit won't have posts tagged with only genital_slit returned and vice versa.

How exactly we're going to solve this isn't my concern, but I do think something should be changed.

well cum happens in many different places and cum_on_leg happens a lot too. Slit might not be used for anything different so I vote alias

Rainbow_Dash said:
well cum happens in many different places and cum_on_leg happens a lot too. Slit might not be used for anything different so I vote alias

I'd tend to agree with an alias, unless someone knows a slit that deserves tagging separate from a genital slit?

Halite said:
I'd tend to agree with an alias, unless someone knows a slit that deserves tagging separate from a genital slit?

Well, there's always slit_throat but that's something else entirely, and with that you could have any number of body parts "slit", but that's really just playing devil's advocate.

Moon_Moon said:
Well, there's always slit_throat but that's something else entirely, and with that you could have any number of body parts "slit", but that's really just playing devil's advocate.

Sure could, but are any worth tagging?

Halite said:
Sure could, but are any worth tagging?

Well yes, as slit_throat or slit wrist, but just slit is misleading I think

Rainbow_Dash said:
Well yes, as slit_throat or slit wrist, but just slit is misleading I think

Well yeah, that's what I meant :P

Rainbow_Dash said:
Well yes, as slit_throat or slit wrist, but just slit is misleading I think

it's an implication not an alias... don't see how this is misleading?

123easy said:
it's an implication not an alias... don't see how this is misleading?

using just slit for things like slit throat or slit wrist is misleading if the term is supposed to be used for genitalia slit, that's what I meant

Rainbow_Dash said:
Well yes, as slit_throat or slit wrist, but just slit is misleading I think

That's not how it's being used. I don't discount the possibility that it's been used for slit throats and such in the past, but if so...someone's cleaned up those.

Slit is generally used for genital slits, with a few random pussies mixed in for some reason. I haven't seen it used in any other way, so I'm not sure why we need it. Genital slit is less ambiguous (thanks to the good wiki), and pussies should be tagged as pussy instead of slit.

This may be Pandora's Box for a site that treats tagging like holy ritual (yoo guyz) but why not add a function in tags that denotes verbs, nouns, all that stuff?

Jack_Nova said:
This may be Pandora's Box for a site that treats tagging like holy ritual (yoo guyz) but why not add a function in tags that denotes verbs, nouns, all that stuff?

Sounds... interesting, though I'm not fully sure if I get what you mean. :P

Jugofthat said:
Sounds... interesting, though I'm not fully sure if I get what you mean. :P

to slit one's wrist vs. a genital slit, sorta idea, I think. I don't like- too much bloat.

Genjar said:
That's not how it's being used. I don't discount the possibility that it's been used for slit throats and such in the past, but if so...someone's cleaned up those.

Slit is generally used for genital slits, with a few random pussies mixed in for some reason. I haven't seen it used in any other way, so I'm not sure why we need it. Genital slit is less ambiguous (thanks to the good wiki), and pussies should be tagged as pussy instead of slit.

What I was trying to say was that we don't need it to refer to those things

Rainbow_Dash said:
What I was trying to say was that we don't need it to refer to those things

Yep. But do we need the slit tag for anything at all? I can't of any other uses for it besides what's already listed, and it doesn't seem all that useful even as umbrella tag. Might be best to just invalidate it.

Genjar said:
Yep. But do we need the slit tag for anything at all? I can't of any other uses for it besides what's already listed, and it doesn't seem all that useful even as umbrella tag. Might be best to just invalidate it.

Hmm. Good point. Or possibly alias to genital slit?

123easy said:
Hmm. Good point. Or possibly alias to genital slit?

That's what we've been talking about for about half the thread.

H-how did I end up in here? oh wait no I agree aliasing seems like the way to go...

Halite said:
That's what we've been talking about for about half the thread.

Well, it's kinda the reversed version of my idea, but it's not like that would bother me. All I really care about is that we don't have two seperate tags for the exact same thing going around. =/

Halite said:
That's what we've been talking about for about half the thread.

Actually, we've been discussing what it's used for for about half the thread. the only post that talked about aliasing was yours and mine saying that it didn't seem misleading because of the truncated thought that RD originally posted before clarifying.

123easy said:
Hmm. Good point. Or possibly alias to genital slit?

That was my original thought seeing as using just slit is largely unhelpful

Rainbow_Dash said:
That was my original thought seeing as using just slit is largely unhelpful

That'd mean that the mistagged pussies would end up under genital slit. But I suppose that's not a major problem, since there's only around 1000 images and it needs occasional clean up anyway (taggers often confuse cloaca and genital slit).

Genjar said:
That'd mean that the mistagged pussies would end up under genital slit. But I suppose that's not a major problem, since there's only around 1000 images and it needs occasional clean up anyway (taggers often confuse cloaca and genital slit).

You mean to say that the genitalia opening for like lizards is being tagged as a genital slit when it shouldn't be right?

Why even use slit? I don't really see it as a useful tag, couldn't it just be aliased to cloaca? At least that's what I'm seeing in these images.

Rainbow_Dash said:
You mean to say that the genitalia opening for like lizards is being tagged as a genital slit when it shouldn't be right?

Personally, I'd say cloaca should be used when there's a single slit hiding everything including the crapper, since that's closest to the idea of a real cloaca.

However, most scalies and even avians in furry art have a slit hiding only the penis (or vagina, though that pretty much makes it one), with a stand-alone anus where you'd expect it. That's where the genital_slit tag comes in. You can't really call that a cloaca, IMO.

Rainbow_Dash said:
You mean to say that the genitalia opening for like lizards is being tagged as a genital slit when it shouldn't be right?

Cloaca and genital slit get mixed up all the time, and aliasing slit to genital_slit might make that problem worse.

But that's not what I was talking about earlier. I was referring to images such as these...
post #298280 post #83565 post #84965
...being tagged with slit. So if it's aliased to genital_slit, those will end up under that tag and will need to be cleaned up. Might be better to just alias slit to invalid_tag.

Genjar said:
Cloaca and genital slit get mixed up all the time, and aliasing slit to genital_slit might make that problem worse.

But that's not what I was talking about earlier. I was referring to images such as these...
post #298280 post #83565 post #84965
...being tagged with slit. So if it's aliased to genital_slit, those will end up under that tag and will need to be cleaned up. Might be better to just alias slit to invalid_tag.

Well, a vagina is technically a genital slit, no? ;)

Genjar said:
Cloaca and genital slit get mixed up all the time, and aliasing slit to genital_slit might make that problem worse.

But that's not what I was talking about earlier. I was referring to images such as these...
post #298280 post #83565 post #84965
...being tagged with slit. So if it's aliased to genital_slit, those will end up under that tag and will need to be cleaned up. Might be better to just alias slit to invalid_tag.

I'd rather have it tagged to genital_slit, as that really kinda is the same thing right?

Rainbow_Dash said:
I'd rather have it tagged to genital_slit, as that really kinda is the same thing right?

Not at all. Unless you want all pussies tagged as genital_slit, which would make that tag worthless. :|

Here's an example of what genital slit is used for.

In any case, whichever way it gets aliased, I think I'll just go ahead and add the proper pussy/cloaca/genital_slit tags to those now. Will make it easier to clean them afterwards, no matter where they end up.

Edit: I've sorted through some of them, and looks like slit is also occasionally used for slitted eyes. Also, one of our regular taggers has tagged sheath and slit on many images that clearly have neither. Sigh.

Genjar said:
Not at all. Unless you want all pussies tagged as genital_slit, which would make that tag worthless. :|

Here's an example of what genital slit is used for.

In any case, whichever way it gets aliased, I think I'll just go ahead and add the proper pussy/cloaca/genital_slit tags to those now. Will make it easier to clean them afterwards, no matter where they end up.

Edit: I've sorted through some of them, and looks like slit is also occasionally used for slitted eyes. Also, one of our regular taggers has tagged sheath and slit on many images that clearly have neither. Sigh.

Isn't every genital slit without a penis a vagina?

Rainbow_Dash said:
Isn't every genital slit without a penis a vagina?

Nope, cloaca.

Halite said:
Nope, cloaca.

how are we supposed to tag that different from a vagina?

More over though I'd still rather keep the tag alias close to what most people tag it as, if we were to alias it

I still say that all vaginas and cloacas should be tagged genital_slit as they are both slits of the genital variety. Cloacas should be tagged as such.

Rainbow_Dash said:
Isn't every genital slit without a penis a vagina?

That's not how it's used, and as I already said: adding pussies to it would make the tag completely worthless.

As wiki says, genital slit is tagged for:

On dolphins, orcas, whales and other marine mammals, this is a cavity where the penis remains when not being used, mostly to preserve hydrodynamism.

On anatomically correct scalies and avians, this should normally replaced with a cloaca, which encompasses the anus as well, but many artists prefer to draw both orifices separated. Use this tag when it is the case.

It's the tag that we use for genital slits that aren't pussies (or if the gender is ambiguous). Since pussies already have a tag and don't need to be tagged with this.

Genjar said:
That's not how it's used, and as I already said: adding pussies to it would make the tag completely worthless.

As wiki says, genital slit is tagged for:
It's the tag that we use for genital slits that aren't pussies (or if the gender is ambiguous). Since pussies already have a tag and don't need to be tagged with this.

Then would it be okay to go with the solution 123easy suggested in using it for an umbrella for any kind of genitalia concealed in a slit?

*facepalm*
I give up.

(The answer to your question is: obviously not okay. I just said twice that it'd make the tag worthless.)

Genjar said:
*facepalm*
I give up.

(The answer to your question is: obviously not. I just said twice that it'd make the tag worthless.)

Howso? "Mammal" is basically useless as a tag since there's so many things out there that fall under it, yet we still use it for catagorization purposes; "blacklist" isn't really acceptable either since you can blacklist the various species groupings individually.

I just don't get how turning it into a catagorization tag for all kinds of genital slits, cloacas and pussies alike, makes it useless at all. If you want to argue that those that have a penis inside and have a visible asshole should be tagged genital slit and not cloaca, then that's using an ambiguous term for a specific function and a more defined term needs to be used, not the ambiguous term being used for the defined usage.

123easy said:
I just don't get how turning it into a catagorization tag for all kinds of genital slits, cloacas and pussies alike, makes it useless at all.

Because then we'd have no tag for male genitalia of that kind, except as an umbrella tag; and searching for them would require searching for 'genital_slit -cloaca -pussy'.

How is that in any way better than what we have now?

Let me just quote something here:

EDFDarkAngel1 said:
but I need to remind everyone that e621's tagging system is based more on usability, rather than accuracy.

And the current system of separating them into three specific types works far better than lumping them all into one.

Genjar said:
Because then we'd have no tag for male genitalia of that kind, except as an umbrella tag; and searching for them would require searching for 'genital_slit -cloaca -pussy'.

How is that in any way better than what we have now?

Let me just quote something here:
And the current system of separating them into three specific types works far better than lumping them all into one.

...Already addressed that above. Your insistance here on it being used solely for males that feature a cloaca-like slit that doesn't also encapsulate the anus (the actual definition of a cloaca is, "the common cavity into which the intestinal, genital, and urinary tracts open" after all) is ambiguous usage, which is just bad tagging. Further, we already use Breasts in this manner, where breasts of no particular size or shape are labelled as simply 'breasts' while it also serves as the urtag for the various sizes and shapes of breasts; if it's a slit within the genitalia, it's a genital slit, period. Something similar but separate, such as penis_slit, can be used for those images- but the ambiguous usage that currently stands, should not.

It's been on my checklist for a year, so I know for a fact that it's nowhere near as ambiguous as you make it seem. For the most part, the users who tag it know how to tag it.

It may not be hundred percent accurate use of the term, but we're not writing a dictionary here. Having a tag system that actually works is more important.

If you can think of a better name for it, then sure, that'd be good. But until then, there's no point in destroying a perfectly usable tag just because it's slightly inaccurate. Penis slit probably wouldn't be a good replacement, since it'd likely be tagged for urethral openings (just check GIS), not to mention that it'd exclude ambiguous genders.

Genjar said:
...it'd exclude ambiguous genders.

err... howso? A genital slit and anus separate on a female is a pussy and anus; if it's a reptile or some other species that can have cloacas, it cannot be a cloaca because the anus is separate. If it has teh slit without a visible anus, and is of a species that has cloacas, it can be tagged as such. If it has a penis that is only just everting and an anus, whatever is less ambiguous a tag that gets chosen and anus; if it's a penis everting without visible anus, cloaca. penis everting and pussy slit beneath but separate, with or without anus, gets pussy, whatever gets chosen, and anus if visible.

Penis_slit was just an example, and saying "the people that know what they're doing tag it right" isn't a sufficient argument to keep it as is, as that implies that you need outside knowledge on that topic. male + genital_slit will still return the results that it does now, so I don't see the problem at all with changing it to be used as the urtag and a less ambiguous tag used for the penis-specific non-cloacal slit.