Aliasing seapony → seahorse
Link to alias

Reason:

Bronies.

I'm not arguing that the seapony tag isn't stupid. It is.

But there are other "seaponies" that are more like mermaids or other sea life than seahorses.

post #374100

post #373906

post #371209

post #231249

Why not just nuke the tag?

SirAntagonist said:
I'm not arguing that the seapony tag isn't stupid. It is.

But there are other "seaponies" that are more like mermaids or other sea life than seahorses.

post #374100

post #373906

post #371209

post #231249

Why not just nuke the tag?

I suppose that's fine too, some ought to be tagged mermaid instead.

We should probably clean up this tag first

Seahorse, pony, hybrid

CamKitty said:
Seahorse, pony, hybrid

Not even that much for most of them.

Rainbow_Dash said:
We should probably clean up this tag first

Wait, so we are keeping this?

Under what definition? Seahorse-Pony hybrid? Marine animal-Pony hybrid?

SirAntagonist said:
Wait, so we are keeping this?

Under what definition? Seahorse-Pony hybrid? Marine animal-Pony hybrid?

I think he meant pre-alias so as to avoid mistagging.

Halite said:
I think he meant pre-alias so as to avoid mistagging.

Oh, ok.

How would that work?

SirAntagonist said:
Oh, ok.

How would that work?

Manually, pretty much.

I'm going to sleep, or I'd help some, maybe tomorrow.

It's stupid but it should be kept. A seapony is a distinct hybrid species from older generations and they were actually called by that name in the series, where a seahorse actually has no relation to anything equine apart from the name.

EDIT: My opinions on this have changed, see later posts.

*slithers in*

These are seahorses:
post #405052 post #92227 post #125803 post #14108

They are similar to "seaponies" (as in, what MLP canon dubbed a Seapony back in G1). Seaponies have a small body, a long tail, and tiny fins.
post #143591 post #448178
While they are similar to a seahorse, I do not personally believe they are the same thing.

On the other hand, you also have (these classifications are my own)

"Merponies" with a fish tail, and a horse like front half:

post #448183 post #249222 post #143302

...which could also be called a Hippocampus, or Hippocamp, which is the mythological name for this sort of thing:

post #146264

Or, the "merpony" could be considered, in essence, a "feral" horse mermaid, with the non feral type being:

post #412433 post #412432 post #396584

Along with:

post #18454 post #324610

of course, there are still some "odd critters" like post #222659 which is... I don't even know. :)

tl;dr - this area's a mess, but it's a small mess at least. Need to figure out if seaponies are seahorses, or 'worth' being something separate. My vote's towards implying seapony -> seahorse, personally, as someone can always search seahorse -my_little_pony

Past that, you then have the question of merponies--are they horse mermaids? are they hipppocampus? are they feral horse mermaids? etc. Personally, I think Hippocampus is a great, and underused tag. :)

but my vote isn't worth much. :) I just saw this and though "I have an opinion!"

okay, love you guys, back to the other things.

Would rather it be strictly seahorse, mermaid, and hippocampus because we don't need a ton of pony-specific sub-species running around. mermaid is the human form, hippocampus is the front of a horse, back end of a fish, seahorse is, well, seahorse.

123easy said:
Would rather it be strictly seahorse, mermaid, and hippocampus because we don't need a ton of pony-specific sub-species running around. mermaid is the human form, hippocampus is the front of a horse, back end of a fish, seahorse is, well, seahorse.

This.

We don't have seawolf or seacat tag, so why seapony?

+1 for an alias to invalid_tag.

I think we should alias it to seahorse instead of invalid. And use seahorse (to refer to the species) and mllp to refer to it being a pony, or if you really had to tag more specifically add pony and seahorse or equine and sea horse

Rainbow_Dash said:
I think we should alias it to seahorse instead of invalid. And use seahorse (to refer to the species) and mllp to refer to it being a pony, or if you really had to tag more specifically add pony and seahorse or equine and sea horse

...Please clarify. Not sure I understand what you're saying, since it looks like you're saying that they're all this species:
post #92227

Nope, nope, nope. Seaponies are definitely not seahorses. One is a marine fish named for a resemblance to a horse, the other is literally a horse-fish hybrid with more resemblance to a hippocamp and I'd be absolutely against seapony -> seahorse. I'd rather seapony -> hippocamp to any of the options, since that's pretty much the same concept of a part-fish part-horse creature.

Since there's somewhat of a fandom behind the seaponies, I'd think it's probably quite destructive to actually invalidate the tag since no matter how stupid it is, people actually want to see this sort of thing.

Popularity should never be the deciding factor of the validity of a tag.

Alias it to marine.

Halite said:
Popularity should never be the deciding factor of the validity of a tag.

Yet, that was only one of the points I mentioned. From what I've seen, tag validity seems to be something that isn't covered by other tags, relevant to a decent amount of images and being something that people would either want to blacklist or search for. From what I see, the tag passes most of those except not being covered by other tags, which would be hippocamp.

Seven_Twenty said:
Yet, that was only one of the points I mentioned. From what I've seen, tag validity seems to be something that isn't covered by other tags, relevant to a decent amount of images and being something that people would either want to blacklist or search for. From what I see, the tag passes most of those except not being covered by other tags, which would be hippocamp.

Except seapony is also used to tag ponies who are seahorses.
In fact, almost as many images as it is used for the mer-pony type of "seapony".
post #448458
post #447281
post #164383
post #448467
post #448191
post #448178
post #448171
post #447285
post #339523

Halite said:
Except seapony is also used to tag ponies who are seahorses.
In fact, almost as many images as it is used for the mer-pony type of "seapony".

You're now selectively picking the images that look more like seahorses than hippocampi.

Are these seahorses too?

post #371209 post #373232 post #271141

They're probably the furthest away you can possibly get from seahorses, but they're still the same concept. That's why it should be aliased to hippocamp and not seahorse. Or maybe even marine like ippiki suggested, but they're not seahorses. What's next, implicating seahorse to equine for having a slight resemblance?

They're all half-horse and half-fish, the exact definition of hippocamp and not of seahorse.

Seven_Twenty said:
You're now selectively picking the images that look more like seahorses than hippocampi.

Are these seahorses too?

post #371209 post #373232 post #271141

They're probably the furthest away you can possibly get from seahorses, but they're still the same concept. That's why it should be aliased to hippocamp and not seahorse. Or maybe even marine like ippiki suggested, but they're not seahorses. What's next, implicating seahorse to equine for having a slight resemblance?

They're all half-horse and half-fish, the exact definition of hippocamp and not of seahorse.

No, those aren't seahorses, they're mistagged.
After all MLP says they're seahorses:
http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Category:Sea_Ponies

World of Warcraft says they're seahorses:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=73953/sea-pony

And science says they're seahorses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_pony

So yes, there's images tagged seapony that are better tagged as hippocampuses, because they shouldn't have been tagged seapony in the first place.

Halite said:
After all MLP says they're seahorses:
http://mylittlewiki.org/wiki/Category:Sea_Ponies

Actually it says they're "sea horse like", meaning they're not seahorses but resemble them. A hippocamp is also an equine creature that can resemble seahorses, dophins, mermaids or any kind of marine creature. This page you're referencing is also a page on an unofficial wiki with about 20 edits on the page done by one primary editor. The page using sentences like "Sea Ponies were sea horse like My Little Ponies." is nearly enough to discredit it alone.

Halite said:
World of Warcraft says they're seahorses:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=73953/sea-pony

I'm not really going to comment on this one, the page doesn't really have enough content apart from a bunch of user comments which aren't really relevant to this discussion.

Halite said:
And science says they're seahorses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_pony

Are you seriously using the common name of a minor seahorse species to try and demonstrate this fact? That's just a common name for the species, most of which are half the time completely scientifically inaccurate.

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The seahorse tag should be for actual seahorses, not random equine creatures with bodies that resemble the lower part of a seahorse body, quite vaguely at times. A hippocamp is described as "a horse in its forepart with a coiling, scaly, fish-like hindquarter", a description relevant to all of the images using by the tag rather than a select few being relevant to the seahorse alias option. What happens to the images that don't resemble a seahorse as much after the alias? Continue being problematic because we only solved half of a problem?

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Unrelated to everything above, there's a sea_pony tag too, which should receive the same treatment as whatever the result for seapony is.

So all my points are ignore-able, but the ones you made are all valid.
Hard to defeat such masterful logic.

Halite said:
So all my points are ignore-able, but the ones you made are all valid.
Hard to defeat such masterful logic.

I'm really not seeing your points, you're using links to back your argument when they actually seem (to me at least) to be closer to what I'm saying, perhaps there's a misunderstanding between us? If you'd like to explain how a hybrid creature that's not entirely marine is a seahorse and not a hippocamp, I'd be perfectly willing to discuss that.

Seven_Twenty said:
I'm really not seeing your points, you're using links to back your argument when they actually seem (to me at least) to be closer to what I'm saying, perhaps there's a misunderstanding between us? If you'd like to explain how a hybrid creature that's not entirely marine is a seahorse and not a hippocamp, I'd be perfectly willing to discuss that.

That's not the discussion being had in this thread.
The point of the thread is what to do with the seapony tag.
Those links provide other uses of the word seapony that are valid potential tags, we can't just assume that the only purpose of the tag is to tag MLP characters as there are other things that are a seapony.

if it's an MLP pony seahorse cross, tag it hybrid pony seahorse. Done.

123easy said:
if it's an MLP pony seahorse cross, tag it hybrid pony seahorse. Done.

That's more along the lines of what I was suggesting. Alias seapony to seahorse (or hippocampus or whatever) and then tag mlp seaponies as seahorse (or hippocampus or whatever we decide) and then add equine or pony or whatever else

Rainbow_Dash said:
That's more along the lines of what I was suggesting. Alias seapony to seahorse (or hippocampus or whatever) and then tag mlp seaponies as seahorse (or hippocampus or whatever we decide) and then add equine or pony or whatever else

This sounds good to me.

Halite said:
Popularity should never be the deciding factor of the validity of a tag.

500,000 shades of this.

I like the alias to marine. A seahorse is a seahorse, and people will tag any pony with aquatic features as seapony, regardless of whether it's a seahorse-pony hybrid or a fish-pony hybrid.

SirAntagonist said:
500,000 shades of this.

I like the alias to marine. A seahorse is a seahorse, and people will tag any pony with aquatic features as seapony, regardless of whether it's a seahorse-pony hybrid or a fish-pony hybrid.

I can also get behind the alias to marine in general; it makes sense.

I think my other all point was more that ALL of the tags need to be gone through and decided on prior to aliases being made. Or after, I guess, works too, as long as the work gets done.

IMO, things like this post #448191 are all seahorses. They are as close to seahorses as MLP ponies are to horses. They are cartoonish, stylized, seahorses. They are as much a seahorse as these things:
post #383306 post #91559 post #190276
If I want "seaponies" I can search for mlp+seahorse.

My "main concern" is that the horse-mermaids and hippocampuses (Hippocampi?) don't get lumped in, or rendered unsearchable. Because just calling them "marine" makes them no different then, say, Rarity with a crab.. and there is no way to search 'em otherwise. On the other hand, hopefully someone would notice the lack of species tag and fix that....

so I guess I can get behind marine also :)

(I think my two cents are worth like half a cent these days, but hey.)

Aliasing it to marine doesn't mean that we'd just leave it as is. It'd alias to marine after we add the appropriate other tags.

EDIT: Hooooooooooooly freaking crap, SnowWolf. You still lurk around here these days? I thougt you'd vanished off the face of the planet like I did a few years back.