While fixing some tags I´ve stumbled over some Changeling stuff,mostly Chrysalis, tagged with horse/equine/winged unicorn, some tagged with insect but the most are with changeling alone.
Which one is now the right way to tag them ?

IMO they should get just changeling tag, and other tags should be removed unless it's hybrid or something.

If they get equine/horse/insect tag then someone should make an implication, and there's none.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
IMO they should get just changeling tag, and other tags should be removed unless it's hybrid or something.

If they get equine/horse/insect tag then someone should make an implication, and there's none.

Thanks, will clean them up then.

I'd agree. Just tag 'em as Changeling, unless it's a hybrid.
Though I can kind of understand additionally tagging them with a genus (which would appear to be equine).

As for the insect tag... Well, they remind me more of fairies than insects. (More specifically, they remind me of unseelie fairies from folklore. Whose offsprings were incidentally called changelings.)

changeling fairy equine is what I would tag them as.

123easy said:
changeling fairy equine is what I would tag them as.

...fairy?

123easy said:
changeling fairy equine is what I would tag them as.

They actually are more insect-like, what I'd agree with is that they should get at the very least the equine tag.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
...fairy?

Well, Spike was no match for them, so they beat dragons.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Well, Spike was no match for them, so they beat dragons.

And? Ice also beats Dragon.

So does Dragon.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
And? Ice also beats Dragon.

So does Dragon.

But dragons generally look like dragons, and ice types have appearance that suggests that creature is ice type.

Only fairy type is stuck to any random creature just because there is need to balance types. Therefore since changelings look neither like dragons nor ice types then they must be fairies!

Only instead of giving money for teeth they kidnap person you love, and trap everyone in cocoons.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
But dragons generally look like dragons, and ice types have appearance that suggests that creature is ice type.

Only fairy type is stuck to any random creature just because there is need to balance types. Therefore since changelings look neither like dragons nor ice types then they must be fairies!

Only instead of giving money for teeth they kidnap person you love, and trap everyone in cocoons.

Pfft, no way.

Changelings would obviously be either pure Dark or Dark/Poison.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Pfft, no way.

Changelings would obviously be either pure Dark or Dark/Poison.

No way. I assume that Twilight magic (when she was used as gatling gun by Pinkie Pie) is psychic attack. Psychic attack should have no effect on dark types.

Fluttershy said:
They actually are more insect-like, what I'd agree with is that they should get at the very least the equine tag.

If you think that they deserve any other tag then make implication suggestion. However I'm not sure whether people searching for equines would like to get changelings. Even if they don't hate mlp in general.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
No way. I assume that Twilight magic (when she was used as gatling gun by Pinkie Pie) is psychic attack. Psychic attack should have no effect on dark types.

Then they must be Dark/Poison, because Poison's weakness to Psychic negates the other dual type -Dark's- resistance.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Then they must be Dark/Poison, because Poison's weakness to Psychic negates the other dual type -Dark's- resistance.

Dark type is completely immune to psychic attacks. Psychic attacking Dark/Poison deals 0 damage, and that finally proves that changelings are fairies. Now let's stop this because there are party poopers here.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
But dragons generally look like dragons, and ice types have appearance that suggests that creature is ice type.

Only fairy type is stuck to any random creature just because there is need to balance types. Therefore since changelings look neither like dragons nor ice types then they must be fairies!

Only instead of giving money for teeth they kidnap person you love, and trap everyone in cocoons.

Fairy types are all "cute" (Exception for Xerneas, but legendary, so w/e).
Not what I would automatically can a "fairy" necessarily, but they couldn't just call it the "cute" type.

Well...this topic went weird fast. As for tagging I would say to tag changeling (obviously) then probably equine at the least, to distinguish it from any other possible changelings. Also you should add winged to it if it has wings if you aren't going to tag winged_unicorn

Rainbow_Dash said:
Well...this topic went weird fast. As for tagging I would say to tag changeling (obviously) then probably equine at the least, to distinguish it from any other possible changelings.

If there are going to be a picture of other changelings then probably this species should be renamed to changeling_(mlp).

In fact, maybe it's a good idea to rename them right now, and make implication to friendship_is_magic.

Also you should add winged to it if it has wings if you aren't going to tag winged_unicorn

I think that you meant wings tag. There is no winged tag. Same goes for adding horn.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
If there are going to be a picture of other changelings then probably this species should be renamed to changeling_(mlp).

In fact, maybe it's a good idea to rename them right now, and make implication to friendship_is_magic.

I think that you meant wings tag. There is no winged tag. Same goes for adding horn.

I think this might be the best course of action and to have it indeed implicate friendship is magic

Would we really want to have it implicate wings (yep, it's wings and not winged as gilda pointed out) or horn though? I vote no to implicating any body parts because they can be drawn without them

Imma draw porn of this just so I can fuck with the tags.

Lol I loved the Pokémon conversation above. Too bad I missed it. BTW Changelings would totally be Dark/Fairy types.

FatherOfGray said:
Lol I loved the Pokémon conversation above. Too bad I missed it. BTW Changelings would totally be Dark/Fairy types.

Ok, maybe Queen Chrysalis would.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Ok, maybe Queen Chrysalis would.

Nah, Fluffle Puff is, that's why she's super effective against the dark type Chrysalis.

Rainbow_Dash said:
I think this might be the best course of action and to have it indeed implicate friendship is magic

Would we really want to have it implicate wings (yep, it's wings and not winged as gilda pointed out) or horn though? I vote no to implicating any body parts because they can be drawn without them

Agreed and that's my thought- to not add those implications.

As for the fairy tag- NOT POKEMON. Good lord people learn your folklore. ._. Chrysalis is totally Unseelie fae.

Would be the best not to implicate the bodyparts.

Summing up:

Alter the FiM ones to Changeling_(mlp)

Implicate Changeling_(mlp) -> FiM

And give the Changeling_(mlp) the Equine tag.

Is that right ?

Lunatic91 said:
Would be the best not to implicate the bodyparts.

Summing up:

Alter the FiM ones to Changeling_(mlp)

Implicate Changeling_(mlp) -> FiM

And give the Changeling_(mlp) the Equine tag.

Is that right ?

Sounds about right

That also leaves regular changeling (demonic type or fairy thing or whatever) to be used separately correct?

If you only implicate the _(mlp) Changelings to FiM then yes.

I'm not entirely sure if there even are any others.
Besides the unseelie, I can think of a few species that are called changelings (such as Odo's species from DS9, and Changelings from D&D), but they're generally not furry.

Genjar said:
I'm not entirely sure if there even are any others.
Besides the unseelie, I can think of a few species that are called changelings (such as Odo's species from DS9, and Changelings from D&D), but they're generally not furry.

This.

Well at least it leaves the tag open for them if they show up, while still accomplishing the purpsose

All in favor?

If there's going to be a changeling implication to anything, it should be MLP, not FIM.
People have OC changelings, and as such there would end up being FIM tags on OC images, not a good thing.

Hmm. Halite makes a good point. The species should just have the _(MLP) suffix and not implicate FiM, since that was decided to be used only for canon characters.

Rainbow_Dash said:
Well at least it leaves the tag open for them if they show up, while still accomplishing the purpsose

All in favor?

I am.

EDIT: I didn't notice Halite's reply. That's a good point, too.

Ah yes, good point

So who is in favor of:
changing all the mlp ones to changeling_(mlp)
leaving changeling for the rare but possible demonic ones
having changeling_(mlp) implicate fim mlp
have it imply equine

Everyone say whinny or forever wait to necro this in a few years

Change to changeling_(mlp). =^.^=

Rainbow_Dash said:
Ah yes, good point

So who is in favor of:
changing all the mlp ones to changeling_(mlp)
leaving changeling for the rare but possible demonic ones
having changeling_(mlp) implicate fim mlp
have it imply equine

Everyone say whinny or forever wait to necro this in a few years

Just a question, shouldn't they implicate insect too? They have insect-like charasteristics (and ever since I joined I always thought they should be tagged insect)... Anyway I agree with everything else.

Rainbow_Dash said:
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have it imply equine
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What about human form versions who still are clearly changelings: post #344704

Since they can change their shape and all, they might not be equine, but still deserve a changeling tag.

Alright, then we should have equine added manually, and insect if needed on some

Halite said:
What about human form versions who still are clearly changelings: post #344704

Since they can change their shape and all, they might not be equine, but still deserve a changeling tag.

Why do you think that this picture deserve changeling tag? IMO it's the same thing as humanized ponies. We don't tag them as ponies, only with humans.

TWYS. On picture I see human with horn, and wings - maybe a demon, but certainly not a changeling. When searching for changeling I'd rather not see this picture.

Halite said:
People have OC changelings, and as such there would end up being FIM tags on OC images, not a good thing.

On the other hand changelings are species specific to this franchise, so shouldn't they get fim tag? Does only characters specific to fim imply fim tag, or does species/places/other things too?

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Why do you think that this picture deserve changeling tag? IMO it's the same thing as humanized ponies. We don't tag them as ponies, only with humans.

TWYS. On picture I see human with horn, and wings - maybe a demon, but certainly not a changeling. When searching for changeling I'd rather not see this picture.

lol, humanized or not the artist pictured Chrissy with horns and wings which have the charasteristic holes in both of them that all changelings have, therefore gets tagged changeling.

Fluttershy said:
lol, humanized or not the artist pictured Chrissy with horns and wings which have the charasteristic holes in both of them that all changelings have, therefore gets tagged changeling.

Should, by similar logic, picture like this be tagged with winged unicorn? It has horn, wings, horse tail, but even then on 20pc it is tagged as human. IMO post #344704 should at least have also hybrid tag. And I don't know if humanized tag is appropriate then.

I'm not sure if human characters qualify for being tagged changelings

Rainbow_Dash said:
I'm not sure if human characters qualify for being tagged changelings

Well if that's the case then the changeling equine implication should be valid now :3

Halite said:
What about human form versions who still are clearly changelings: post #344704

Since they can change their shape and all, they might not be equine, but still deserve a changeling tag.

Purely by TWYS, I'd tag that with fairy, fairy_wings and horn.
The fact that they're shapeshifters shouldn't matter. For instance, werewolves aren't tagged as werewolves if they're in a fully human form.

Alright final vote, equine to be implicated or not? Do we only tag the pony ones with changeling_(mlp) or do we tag human ones with changeling_(mlp) and not have equine implicated?

Rainbow_Dash said:
Alright final vote, equine to be implicated or not? Do we only tag the pony ones with changeling_(mlp) or do we tag human ones with changeling_(mlp) and not have equine implicated?

I don't really know about that one, if humanized ones (only in cases like Halite's where it shows a horn and wings with holes) get changeling tag, then I'd say no implication, but... if humanized ones do not get changeling tag at all, then I'd agree with the implication. >.<

I guess it is a vote on whether or not everyone thinks human ones should be tagged with changeling. Let's look at the definition we have for changeling, and what definition we want to use/create for it

Rainbow_Dash said:
Alright final vote, equine to be implicated or not? Do we only tag the pony ones with changeling_(mlp) or do we tag human ones with changeling_(mlp) and not have equine implicated?

Seeing as "Changeling" is just a type of fairy or goblin found in many folk religions, why are we assuming it's exclusive to MLP just because the show used it for a species?

We don't alias Wendigo to equine just because it's a species in the show.

SirAntagonist said:
Seeing as "Changeling" is just a type of fairy or goblin found in many folk religions, why are we assuming it's exclusive to MLP just because the show used it for a species?

We don't alias Wendigo to equine just because it's a species in the show.

No one said it's exclusive to mlp, that's why there's gonna be a changeling_(mlp) tag.

SirAntagonist said:
Seeing as "Changeling" is just a type of fairy or goblin found in many folk religions, why are we assuming it's exclusive to MLP just because the show used it for a species?

We don't alias Wendigo to equine just because it's a species in the show.

Fluttershy said:
No one said it's exclusive to mlp, that's why there's gonna be a changeling_(mlp) tag.

That's why that very issue was one of the first raised and dealt with on the topic. Come on, the thread's only two pages long. Read it, SirAntagonist. ;P

Rainbow_Dash said:
I guess it is a vote on whether or not everyone thinks human ones should be tagged with changeling. Let's look at the definition we have for changeling, and what definition we want to use/create for it

I think, as shapeshifters, they should be tagged as changelings regardless of form so long as they are identifiable as belonging to the species. If they are in a form that does not exhibit any aspect of being a changeling, they should only be tagged according to the form they are in, but in the case of a humanoid changeling as linked above it should still get the changeling tag as it has traits identifiable as belonging to that species.

Shapeshifters get a little more leeway than others in my opinion (not just MLP specific ones), because they are malleable in form; tagging it where it is obvious that they are belonging to that shapeshifter species in some way, like Chrysalis' wings and horn, shouldn't cause issue.

Fluttershy said:
No one said it's exclusive to mlp, that's why there's gonna be a changeling_(mlp) tag.

That works.

But why would we alias it to equine, again? I mean, some changeling pics don't even have ponies in them.

SirAntagonist said:
That works.

But why would we alias it to equine, again? I mean, some changeling pics don't even have ponies in them.

I think you ment implicate. (?)

SirAntagonist said:
That works.

But why would we alias it to equine, again? I mean, some changeling pics don't even have ponies in them.

Because most of the time they have an equine shape

Fluttershy said:
I think you ment implicate. (?)

You know what I meant.

Xch3l said:
Because most of the time they have an equine shape

"Most" being the operative word. There are certainly instances where a changeling may bear no similarities to an equine.

SirAntagonist said:
You know what I meant.

"Most" being the operative word. There are certainly instances where a changeling may bear no similarities to an equine.

And thus some of us had derp moments and stated it, just tossing it out there instead of stopping and giving it afull thought. ;)

Rainbow_Dash said:
Ah yes, good point

So who is in favor of:
changing all the mlp ones to changeling_(mlp)
leaving changeling for the rare but possible demonic ones
having changeling_(mlp) implicate fim mlp
have it imply equine

Everyone say whinny or forever wait to necro this in a few years

Lunatic91 said:
Yes, but like you said except implying it to equine.

OT: Why do I get kicked out, when I try to unhide a comment here ?

Lunatic91 said:
OT: Why do I get kicked out, when I try to unhide a comment here ?

Becaue that's an admin-level power. Ask an admin to unhide a specific comment.

123easy said:
Becaue that's an admin-level power. Ask an admin to unhide a specific comment.

Oh, ok. No. I'm good it's all in my last post.

Okay so i have a gameplan.

changing all the mlp ones to changeling_(mlp)
leaving changeling for the rare but possible demonic ones
having changeling_(mlp) implicate fim mlp
have it imply equine Not have it imply any species as it can be in various shapes

Sound good to everyone?

Umm sure.

Sounds fine to me.

Sounds copacetic.

Will do in a day or so to allow for responses

No objections here. Sounds fine.

No objections from me. I like it.

No odjection by me... not sure about the reapers though ;P

Rainbow_Dash said:
Okay so i have a gameplan.

changing all the mlp ones to changeling_(mlp)
leaving changeling for the rare but possible demonic ones
having changeling_(mlp) implicate fim mlp
have it imply equine Not have it imply any species as it can be in various shapes

Sound good to everyone?

Sounds good- though, not all changelings are demonic. Some are just Unseelie. ;)