Aliasing bustyboi → invalid_tag
Link to alias

Reason:

What is this....I don't even...
TheAmeriaShawod keeps using it. I have no idea what this tag is...

And considering they refuse to learn the tagging sols and donts.yeeeeah, can picture it being some tag lke tyranny...

Looks like he's trying to use it to describe a busty herm or dickgirl. I'll fix the images

The concept is to be the equivalent of "dickgirl" but a male with boobs instead of a female with a penis.
Since these things are visually identical, I would say aliasing it to dickgirl might be the better option.

Halite said:
The concept is to be the equivalent of "dickgirl" but a male with boobs instead of a female with a penis.
Since these things are visually identical, I would say aliasing it to dickgirl might be the better option.

I was about to argue that the difference is being identified as a male but then I remembered we dont tag mindsets but I feel like cleaning it up would be better because its just one person adding it and not all of the posts might not reflect dickgirl, like if you can't see the actual penis or a bulge. Either way its a bad tag.

Yep. I dunno if it even needs to be aliased, since it doesn't seem to be in common use anywhere. Quick google search only turned up a couple of nicknames.

I think it's unlikely to reappear, now that it has been cleaned up.

herm = female with dick (natural)
dickgirl = male with breasts (after surgery)
In my opinion:
bustyboy = female with dick w/ w/o balls (after surgery)

I had never seen a FEMALE dickgirl (after surgery). And I'd like to see it very much.

I dunno, as dumb as this tag is, we do need a tag to use for males with breasts. At the very least we should alias it to busty_boy assuming that's its official name.

ippiki_ookami said:
I dunno, as dumb as this tag is, we do need a tag to use for males with breasts.

Um, how is that different from a dickgirl?

ippiki_ookami said:
I dunno, as dumb as this tag is, we do need a tag to use for males with breasts. At the very least we should alias it to busty_boy assuming that's its official name.

Same question as Genjar asked.

I probably don't know what I'm talking about, but, a dude built like Hulk Hogan with tits like Pam Anderson, really wouldn't qualify as a dickgirl, would he?

Genjar said:
Um, how is that different from a dickgirl?

I'd imagine you don't see many "dickgirls" with beards. (Although with furries I guess that doesn't matter.)

I think that what ippiki is saying, is that dickgirls will tend to have more typically "feminine" physical traits, with the addition of a penis. Whereas a "busty boy" or whatever they want to call them, will have typically "masculine" features, with the addition of breasts.

Loc0 said:
herm = female with dick (natural)
dickgirl = male with breasts (after surgery)
In my opinion:
bustyboy = female with dick w/ w/o balls (after surgery)

I had never seen a FEMALE dickgirl (after surgery). And I'd like to see it very much.

Herms are males or females with dicks and vaginas both. Whether they're fertile or not depends on the creator. In real life, they tend to be infertile and neither set of genitals tends to be fully developed ('True' hermaphroditism) with one being much more underdeveloped than the other. This is usually where gender reassignment surgery while herms were children occurs from, as a barely-there vagina vs. a mostly-formed penis is much more easily set as a boy, physically; vice-versa for those with a barely-there penis and a mostly-formed vagina. It's a tragedy either way, really.

Dickgirls are females with dicks and no vagina, with or without balls. Visually indistinct from males with breasts. No surgery needs to be involved. Does not naturally occur in real life. RL counterpart would either be a post-op FtM intersex who has gotten the genital work done but not the breast work done (and may choose never to have it done), or a pre-op MtF intersex who has gotten the breastwork done but not the genitals (and may never have it done).

As this definition also fits the 'males with breasts' concept visually, it would be against TWYS to create a second tag for the same functionality. Dickgirl has both precedence and general acceptance within multiple fetish fandoms; I have never heard the term 'Bustyboy" or *shudder* "bustyboi" before reading this topic. Searching for the term in all permutations (separating into two words and keeping as one, both 'boi' and 'boy', 'busti' and 'busty') shows it in use by a lot of people as a user name, also "chesty boy" and variants, but not in use beyond that. Would not be surprised if a rare few term themselves that online to denote subby 'boi' tendancies with a more masculine rather than feminine bent.

TLDR: Alias bustyboy and variants to dickgirl.

https://e621.net/wiki/show?title=muscular_intersex

Genjar said:
Um, how is that different from a dickgirl?

bustyboy is a male with breasts, dickgirl is a female with a peen. it's pretty simple

I don't think tits alone are a good reason to add a new gender. Otherwise we'd need bustycuntboy and bustymaleherm tag.

At that point, it would be better to tag masculine/feminine body types separately, so users could use body type, penis, pussy, and breast tags instead of trying to figure out the byzantine mess that we call gender tagging.

ippiki_ookami said:
bustyboy is a male with breasts, dickgirl is a female with a peen. it's pretty simple

And we cannot visually determine the difference. Muscular physique can be depicted on either males or females equally. What you are stating is a mindset differential, which is firmly against TWYS and even the primary reason why we nulled the transgender tag. Male and female describe specific components that have varying sizes and shapes, just as with dickgirl and herm and other sex-type tags, not the mental gender of the character.

123easy said:
And we cannot visually determine the difference. Muscular physique can be depicted on either males or females equally. What you are stating is a mindset differential, which is firmly against TWYS and even the primary reason why we nulled the transgender tag. Male and female describe specific components that have varying sizes and shapes, just as with dickgirl and herm and other sex-type tags, not the mental gender of the character.

No one's talking about mental gender. This is what it would look like on the flowchart

Genitals? ┬ non ─ [neuter]
          ├ mas ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [bustyboy]
          │                │                ├ fem ─ [dickgirl]
          │                │                └ unk ─ [bustyboy?/dickgirl?]
          │                ├ n ─ [male]
          │                └ u ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [male]
          │                                 ├ fem ─ [dickgirl]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [male]

DrHorse said:

Genitals? ┬ non ─ [neuter]
          ├ mas ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [bustyboy]
          │                │                ├ fem ─ [dickgirl]
          │                │                └ unk ─ [bustyboy?/male?]
          │                ├ n ─ [male]
          │                └ u ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [male]
          │                                 ├ fem ─ [dickgirl]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [male]

I agree with this.

DrHorse said:
No one's talking about mental gender.

ippiki_ookami said:
bustyboy is a male with breasts, dickgirl is a female with a peen. it's pretty simple

Reads quite a lot like talking about gender not sex to me. Which is why I specifically quoted it and was directing my post to him, not the nebulous "anyone" that "no one" denotes.

AS for body type flowchart, agreed on all but the top breakdown, because, once again, cannot be defined.

post #386872 post #416282 post #193345 post #121855

This is a muscular dickgirl.

post #428738

Muscular female.

If anything, the female is *more* masculine than the dickgirl. Trying to separate gender constructs -which it is, NOT sex, since it's always breasts and a penis only- through concepts such as masculine and feminine forms and musculature when we already tag musculature and feminine (girly, which feminine has been aliased to, instead of the other way around for whatever reason) or masculine (manly) is just plain wrong.

Now, if the term dickgirl isn't sufficient to denote all possible genders for the sex organs it sports, then that's a separate issue that needs be addressed (and which I've brought up in the past as well, so I'm not that surprised).

Butterscotch said:
I agree with this.

Yeah, but how far do you want to take that. Do we also do this?

─         ┬ fem ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [bustycuntboy]
          │                │                ├ fem ─ [female]
          │                │                └ unk ─ [female]
          │                │
          │                ├ n ┬ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [cuntboy]
          │                └ u ┘            ├ fem ─ [female]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [female]
          │
          ├ bot ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [bustymaleherm]
          │                │                ├ fem ─ [herm]
          │                │                └ unk ─ [herm]
          │                │
          │                ├ n ┬ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [maleherm]
          │                └ u ┘            ├ fem ─ [herm]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [herm]

There's no reason not to if we're not going to use gender tags to tag genders that people actually use.

DrHorse said:
Yeah, but how far do you want to take that. Do we also do this?

─         ┬ fem ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [bustycuntboy]
          │                │                ├ fem ─ [female]
          │                │                └ unk ─ [female]
          │                │
          │                ├ n ┬ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [cuntboy]
          │                └ u ┘            ├ fem ─ [female]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [female]
          │
          ├ bot ─ Breasts? ┬ y ─ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [bustymaleherm]
          │                │                ├ fem ─ [herm]
          │                │                └ unk ─ [herm]
          │                │
          │                ├ n ┬ Body type? ┬ mas ─ [maleherm]
          │                └ u ┘            ├ fem ─ [herm]
          │                                 └ unk ─ [herm]

There's no reason not to if we're not going to use gender tags to tag genders that people actually use.

We tag sex, not gender. We use "gender" as the tag form because we use "sex" for the act of. "ambiguous_sex" would be a really awkward tag compared to "ambiguous_gender" which can be easily understood to be related to the sex of a character (which many people get confused about regarding gender and sex anyways) and will not be cross-identified with the "sex" tags denoting the act in its various permutations.

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123easy said:
...will not be cross-identified with the "sex" tags denoting the act in its various permutations.

Right, I'm saying "gender" for exactly the same reason.

DrHorse said:
There's no reason not to if we're not going to use gender tags to tag genders that people actually use.

Reason for explanation in post above.

We aren't in fact tagging tue gender, or sex of any charaters here.
What we tag is what is visible.

We use dickgirl because it's a hell of a lot shorter than single_character_with_visible_breasts_and_penis_but_not_vagina.

123easy said:
If anything, the female is *more* masculine than the dickgirl.

*cough*

SirAntagonist said:
*cough*

...No one hairs like Gaston?

....This said, don't understand your reason for the link without explanation?

123easy said:
...No one hairs like Gaston?

....This said, don't understand your reason for the link without explanation?

I was making a point about how a man can have boobs and not be feminine.

SirAntagonist said:
I was making a point about how a man can have boobs and not be feminine.

That was a man? Looked like a dickgirl. After all, tits. Certainly has a masculine personality, but we don't tag personalities. Otherwise every single image with a female using a strapon would need to be tagged masculine, since they're being "the man" in the relationship. :P