ippiki_ookami said:
were you not there for the CMC discussion

So we should alias things without asking (like pony side do), not discuss them. ;)

Besides cmc would be aliased if not the fact that I made a typo. There is still alias for cutie_mark_crusaders_(mlp)_ No, seriously - try to add this tag.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I've used google search too, since if something isn't on google it doesn't exist. Google search for thestral rule34 gives only ponies. thestral porn gives nothing. Even thestral penis doesn't help. So I think that I can safely assume that thestrals don't exist.

Psh. Should know by now that google's image search is very poorly setup when it comes to searching porn images, since they try to actively unsearch it. Has to do with the search bubble that they create for people. It's really quite enlightening to use DuckDuckHo's anonymous google search and see that it barely parses your search correctly and just throws potentially on-topic sites at you.

CamKitty said:
^passive aggressive kinda whining

Call it whining if you want, but it's the truth. They never addressed points that were brought up either as individual points or in response to their own points, merely restated their own reasoning as acceptable, when with people not finding it acceptable without further explanation it isn't. As for it being passive-aggressive, I've very directly asked for it to be addressed, repeatedly, both in the appropriate thread and since in others, so.

Also, "^Passive-aggressive kinda whining" fits what you did right there, though I'd also add on being completely offtopic and not providing anything of substance to any discussion going on in thread, related to topic or not. Might want to work on that.

ippiki_ookami said:
because the moment an admin does, everyone will snap at them because there wasnt a consensus.

what do you think would happen if i just went and aliased pinkamena out right now? i guarantee it wouldnt be pretty

or on the flipside, made a ruling that the tag is allowed, end of discussion.

no matter how pretty we word our arguments or accompanying dialogs, there are gonna be a lot of pissed off people

Went and aliased it- RD gets pissed, Char maybe is disappoint, prolly a few bronies as well get pissed, then after a short while we move on because it's not that important. It's still Pinkie Pie, after all, and they can search for her via straight_hair Pinkie_Pie. (Assuming it doesn't just get immediately overturned)

Tag is allowed, end of discussion- If the reasoning wasn't faulty, then it would be accepted. Lack of solid reasoning given is what has caused the controversy with the Pinkamena tag.

It's not about making your wording pretty, but having logical sense behind it. Thus why treating the Power Ponies not as superhero identities that do get tagged separate from the character wearing the costume that represents the superhero is fought against by me, because that makes them an exception to how all other superheroes are tagged, in a way that doesn't really make sense as argued (mostly it's argued as "It's ponies, nuke it!" from what I've seen. :x). "Superheroes" is a generic catagory that can apply across all fandoms, be they pony or mythological or pokemon or whatever. Heck, I know of a few games where King Arthur is treated as a superhero powerup even.

Conker said:
Given more users wanted it gone as it breaks tag what you see, and its not even called in the official show being a fan name, and because pinkie_pie + straight_hair gets the same results, we shouldnt have the tag to begin with. But looking back at that thread the ones supporting the tag couldnt even come up with a clear reason why, and when others brought up its flaws they ignored them.

It just seems like everything is against that tag and it shouldn't be used on this site. The longer it goes unchecked the more bad tags will flood the site. Besides, all arguments against the tag were left ignored, while arguments for it couldnt give us a clear definition for it. With that said, this shouldnt be that hard of a call to make to begin with.

Agreed.

Besides, bat_pony was unalised from invalid tag without any user discussion by Rainbowdash...so Ippiki it seems discussion isnt even required anymore for such changes.

But RD was caught out on that and is having anger (or at least disappointment) justifiably directed her way regarding this. Sure, no post from Char or EDF, but there's multiple possible reasons for that, so.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I didn't see many pissed off people when futashy was aliased to Fluttershy. There were no riots when molestia was aliased to Celestia. Removal of all crossgender ponies tags didn't hurt world's peace.
Judging by past experience nothing seriously bad would happen if we just aliased pinkamena away.

ippiki_ookami said:
were you not there for the CMC discussion

If it had of been just quietly aliased away, there would have been no big kerfuffle. Now that it has been dragged out into public knowledge, it will be contested, as everyone has a right to. CMC at least we got to the point on generally agreeing on it existing for whent he capes/badges are in sight to represent them as CMC, but that just sort of died out. In regards to Pinkamena, I just wish they'd contest it with logic instead of "reasons", and actually refute points made against theirs or against the tag's existance in general instead of ignoring it like I've been asking from the start.

123easy said:
Psh. Should know by now that google's image search is very poorly setup when it comes to searching porn images, since they try to actively unsearch it. Has to do with the search bubble that they create for people. It's really quite enlightening to use DuckDuckHo's anonymous google search and see that it barely parses your search correctly and just throws potentially on-topic sites at you.

And yet you didn't prove me wrong be showing example of thestral porn. Coincidence? I don't think so. I'm also pretty sure that my bubble filter increases chances of finding thestral dick.

If it had of been just quietly aliased away, there would have been no big kerfuffle. Now that it has been dragged out into public knowledge, it will be contested, as everyone has a right to.

It's not about aliasing it quietly. Look at forum #20944. There was discussion which ended with mine suggestion on forum #59325 at which was no objection. The whole cmc thing should have ended there. Then something happened, and pony fandom went wrong on this site. I mean - before there was SnowWolf and posts like this, and you can see what we have now. It's not about whether I agree or not, but now pony side doesn't bother to listen to others arguments. Something bad happened in this year. I'm not sure what. Maybe season 3 and EG sucked that much that it infected its fanbase. D:

ippiki_ookami said:
Okay

So is fluttershy called flutterbat in the show?
if yes = allow tag and implicate fluttershy_(mlp) since it's canon
if no = alias to fluttershy_(mlp)

Is the species actually called thestricle or whatever in the show?
if yes = alias bat_pony to thesbian
if no = keep bat_pony aliased to invalid_tag or hybrid or something else relevant.

Edit: I left the thread open and I thought I refreshed but I guess not, I didn't realize this comment was made three hours ago with multiple responses... Derp

well its not called a thestral in the show but then again
a thestral is a horse or pony with bat wings so its kinda the same thing, the only real difference I can see is sometimes a bat nose and bat ears. In either case hybrid aught be used.

Seriously though guys, what's happening with the "Applejack_without_her_hat" tag?

Rainbow_Dash said:
See now you only have three tags left to have in the search bar. Not helpful. We really need to take another look at why we even tag. To be able to filter our results in the most efficient way possible. Having to type more tags out when one tag could sufficiently cover those, means you have more room in the search bar to narrow it down by other types of tags.

I would like to address this because I feel that it's bad reasoning. Efficiency of searching is not a primary reason that we tag. The six tag limit is self-imposed and not a technical limit of the system that runs e621. If users are regularly running into problems finding what they want because of the six tag limit, there are other better solutions to the problem rather than using conjoined tags like Bat_Pony:

#1 Raise the amount of tags which 'Member' level users can be searched at once.
#2 Tell those users to suck it up and deal with their six tag limit.
#3 Implement a system like Danbooru's user ranks for those accounts which fit an elevated privilege level but that aren't quite as powerful as the currently named "Privileged" rank. Notice how finely grained the permissions are on the various ranks listed at http://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/43574

That being said, I'm not actually against the bat_pony tag. The whole point of a system like this is to make things more searchable. Therefore any tag which increases the searchability of an image is a good tag. The only bad tag is a tag which detracts from the searchability of the image.

Rainbow_Dash said:
As for the flutterbat alias itself, I haven't made any decision on it yet but it will most likely be aliased away.

I noticed that you keep saying "I". Are you the final decision maker on all things pony around here? Serious question.

Azazial said:
...The only bad tag is a tag which detracts from the searchability of the image.
...

So you're for the "applejack_without_her_hat" tag then?

Azazial said:
That being said, I'm not actually against the bat_pony tag. The whole point of a system like this is to make things more searchable. Therefore any tag which increases the searchability of an image is a good tag. The only bad tag is a tag which detracts from the searchability of the image.

That is not entirely true. Scootabuse, scootalove, and scootahate all increase searchability of the image, technically, because they are fandom-specific terms that someone from the fandom might search rather than the terms abuse, hate, or love, and scootaloo. The issue is in creating tags for searchable things that are too narrow a general specification (presenting_with_mistletoe, for example, is just the two tags mistletoe and presenting conjoined) or that apply only within a specific demographic (bat_pony is one example. It will only be used in the brony fandom, and it disregards the tags bat, pony, and hybrid unless those are implied by it- in which case, why does it exist in the first place when bat, pony, hybrid exist and perform the same function (heck, even bat and pony should find it just fine, with a few outliers of ponies with bats in the image as well) and are applicable to every demographic equally, as there are ponies that aren't MLP, bats that aren't MLP, and bat-horse hybrids that aren't MLP (though I will be honest and note that looking at what we have, MLP has basically ate that function up as all thestrals are MLP).

I noticed that you keep saying "I". Are you the final decision maker on all things pony around here? Serious question.

This a serious concern of mine as well.

Halite said:
Seriously though guys, what's happening with the "Applejack_without_her_hat" tag?

But you want this tag to be general, character, or species tag?

I think this thread gave me an aneurysm and refreshed my memory why I normally stay out of mlp tag discussions.

Azazial said:
I noticed that you keep saying "I". Are you the final decision maker on all things pony around here? Serious question.

Dash is the one who cares most about tag discussions, nearly all others except char and ippiki( and dave recently) stay out of those, as for me I'm more of an enforcer, I do the butler's job of cleaning up behind users.

123easy said:
Call it whining if you want, but it's the truth. They never addressed points that were brought up either as individual points or in response to their own points, merely restated their own reasoning as acceptable, when with people not finding it acceptable without further explanation it isn't. As for it being passive-aggressive, I've very directly asked for it to be addressed, repeatedly, both in the appropriate thread and since in others, so.

Char is a busy man, if he makes a post, then goes away for a day and comes back to two pages of discussion, half of it off-topic, what would you expect to happen?
Nobody around here has unlimited time, char's been incredibly busy for the past couple weeks which makes discussing things a rather low priority and posts like this one are really not exactly important to the topic at hand.
Keeping discussions short and to the point and will yield a much higher rate of participation than artificially bloating a topic.

Halite said:
We don't, but if we show how crazy it makes us, certain people accuse us of having a rude tone, and threaten punishment, instead of addressing our concerns.

This just tells me that everything is going according to plan.
Soon I will look at topics like this and imagine everyone in it with a monocle, top hat and cup of tea in their hand, as opposed to a bunch of drunk cardboard-hobos Both the "HijiNKS ENSUE":hijinksensue.com and the VG Cats hobo are fine.

Also of note, the alias was undone because it felt hasty, it will likely be aliased away again, just not to invalid but a better one.

Also also, I don't have the foggiest how thestral is supposed to be pronounced, was Rowling drunk while writing HP?

Now to the best part:

Conker, your really want that permaban, do you? https://e621.net/forum/show/96038 https://e621.net/forum/show/96241 https://e621.net/forum/show/96123 and https://e621.net/forum/show/96194 are prime material for exactly that.
Have this final warning as a late christmas gift, stop being rude and stop trying to order others around because the hammer is already polished.

NotMeNotYou said:
Dash is the one who cares most about tag discussions, nearly all others except char and ippiki( and dave recently) stay out of those, as for me I'm more of an enforcer, I do the butler's job of cleaning up behind users.

To be honest, please take no offense RD, in my opinion RD cares about discussions as much as Char. There is discussion, people are making their arguments, RD enters discussion says something like "Oh hai, well I think this should be aliased/unaliased, so it will be. kthxbye" ignoring all discussion that was made before, and then RD leaves discussion forever or at least for a very long time.
My view is IMO supported by, for example, the fact that RD still believes that Pinkamena is tag for a very distinct character when it was proven multiple times that this is not how this tag works currently.

Now to the best part:

Conker, your really want that permaban, do you? https://e621.net/forum/show/96038 https://e621.net/forum/show/96241 https://e621.net/forum/show/96123 and https://e621.net/forum/show/96194 are prime material for exactly that.
Have this final warning as a late christmas gift, stop being rude and stop trying to order others around because the hammer is already polished.

Seriously, these posts are now what gets you a permaban? This is so called "ordering", and "being rude"? I don't like conker's attitude sometimes, but seriously it looks like more like you are try to enforce that people should agree with every decision admins made without a question.

NotMeNotYou said:

Conker, your really want that permaban, do you? https://e621.net/forum/show/96038 https://e621.net/forum/show/96241 https://e621.net/forum/show/96123 and https://e621.net/forum/show/96194 are prime material for exactly that.
Have this final warning as a late christmas gift, stop being rude and stop trying to order others around because the hammer is already polished.

How is my post addressing RD in a polite tone, rude? I went out of my way to make that as non rude as possible. All I did was address the pinkamena tag, and ask some questions about the tags...

Are you seriously saying I'll get a permaban for discussing tags? ..Guess I'm being forced to drop the subject...fine, its droped.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Seriously, these posts are now what gets you a permaban? This is so called "ordering", and "being rude"? I don't like conker's attitude sometimes, but seriously it looks like more like you are try to enforce that people should agree with every decision admins made without a question.

It's the tone that makes the difference.

"RainbowDash if you are reading this, can you tell me why?" is indeed ordering people around, "RD, would you mind explaining this?" wouldn't be considered ordering around.

And saying something is beyond stupid (nice editing btw) is indeed rude.

Conker is also held to a higher standard than others because he is reporting people for exactly these things, I simply give him the exact treatment he wishes onto others.
If he fails to follow his own words, not my problem.

Conker said:
How is my post addressing RD in a polite tone, rude? I went out of my way to make that as non rude as possible. All I did was address the pinkamena tag, and ask some questions about the tags...

Please research "passive aggressive".

Conker said:
Are you seriously saying I'll get a permaban for discussing tags? ..Guess I'm being forced to drop the subject...fine, its droped.

No, I'm saying you get permabanned for being obnoxious, rude and trying to order people around, you're free to discuss the actions of us admins as much as you like, the moment you DEMAND explanations and passive aggressively tell someone to stop doing things is the moment I step in.

NotMeNotYou said:
It's the tone that makes the difference.

"RainbowDash if you are reading this, can you tell me why?" is indeed ordering people around, "RD, would you mind explaining this?" wouldn't be considered ordering around.

And saying something is beyond stupid (nice editing btw) is indeed rude.

Conker is also held to a higher standard than others because he is reporting people for exactly these things, I simply give him the exact treatment he wishes onto others.
If he fails to follow his own words, not my problem.

1. I asked RD if they could tell me why, I didnt order them.
2. Yes I said its beyond stupid, as tagging pinkie_pie as another character (thats not even mentioned in the show) just because she has straight_hair sounds very stupid to me, as it doesn't follow tag what you see. So yes I disagreed.

3. I NEVER reported any user for asking questions about tags or discussing tags. So you as an admin now say I'll be permabanned for "asking RD a question" and saying pinkamena tag is beyond stupid (which a lot of users have said already) ..(no offense) but it just seems like you are just looking for an excuse to get rid of me.

Can we please get back to the discussion of the tags? <--- this is a question

NotMeNotYou said:
Char is a busy man, if he makes a post, then goes away for a day and comes back to two pages of discussion, half of it off-topic, what would you expect to happen?
Nobody around here has unlimited time, char's been incredibly busy for the past couple weeks which makes discussing things a rather low priority and posts like this one are really not exactly important to the topic at hand.
Keeping discussions short and to the point and will yield a much higher rate of participation than artificially bloating a topic.

And if it was just Char not posting a reply for awhile, that would have been fine. That's just waiting for a reply. But there have been replies from RD, Char, and even Dave on the topic that totally ignore everything I or anyone else has said on the topic, seemingly just because we disagree. If they actually addressed our concerns and issues, be they points we bring up unrelated to their own direct arguments or refuting points in their arguments, we wouldn't be here at this point where animosity is running high. We want answers, dangit, not brush-offs. Yes we are being stubborn about this, but trying to treat us like children with "I say so so it goes" reasoning just does NOT cut it.

Conker: Because whenever you talk about it they see it as an order to change it to your desire, rather than discussing it. Frankly, I can see where Nimmy is coming from in that respect, as the way you word your posts tends towards the imperative, similar to the "Why isn't this thread locked yet? It should be locked" style commentary previous.

NotMeNotYou said:
Conker is also held to a higher standard than others because he is reporting people for exactly these things, I simply give him the exact treatment he wishes onto others.
If he fails to follow his own words, not my problem.

Oh, so do we're going to expand this kind of rules to takedown requests, for example? User is rude, we're gonna be rude and not accept his takedown request.
Seriously I really thought that this kind of reasoning is not allowed here.

And I still think that these particular posts are not enough reason to permaban someone. Maybe because I understand that he is rather angry when polite questions are ignored.

Conker said:
1. I asked RD if they could tell me why, I didnt order them.

"Can you tell me why?" is an order for the other party to explain themselves and nothing less.
Did you sleep through english classes?

Conker said:
2. Yes I said its beyond stupid, as tagging pinkie_pie as another character (thats not even mentioned in the show) just because she has straight_hair sounds very stupid to me. So yes I disagreed.

Saying this is beyond stupid means it reaches levels of higher retardation, which is rude.
Would it have hurt you to directly change your wording to the current one?

Conker said:
3. I NEVER reported any user for asking questions about tags or discussing tags. So you as an admin now say I'll be permabanned for "asking RD a question" and saying pinkamena tag is beyond stupid (which a lot of users have said already) ..(no offense) but it just seems like you are just looking for an excuse to get rid of me for disagreeing with an admin.

NotMeNotYou said:
Conker is also held to a higher standard than others because he is reporting people for exactly these things, I simply give him the exact treatment he wishes onto others.
If he fails to follow his own words, not my problem.

NotMeNotYou said:
No, I'm saying you get permabanned for being obnoxious, rude and trying to order people around, you're free to discuss the actions of us admins as much as you like, the moment you DEMAND explanations and passive aggressively tell someone to stop doing things is the moment I step in.

You know that famous Pulp Fiction scene where the black dude is yelling at the other "ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"? Please imagine that scene for a minute.

You reported somebody for saying "You're a dick" after you trolled another person. What do you expect I'm going to do with somebody who toes line constantly but is reporting others for doing the same thing?

The last sentence was a rhetoric question, I gave the answer already.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Oh, so do we're going to expand this kind of rules to takedown requests, for example? User is rude, we're gonna be rude and not accept his takedown request.
Seriously I really thought that this kind of reasoning is not allowed here.

I actually joked about adding that part to the rules, be a dick when requesting something and we'll ignore it.
Alas, dave didn't like that.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
And I still think that these particular posts are not enough reason to permaban someone. Maybe because I understand that he is rather angry when polite questions are ignored.

4th offence against the same rule is permaban.
He was told to stop this kind of behavior 3 times already, we're not going to waste more time on it than necessary.
And just to make this clear, I actually consulted the others for those records I gave him, I executed the record but it was a group decision to give them out.

Never change e621.. Never change.

From tags about ponies, to people getting banned/warned..

I love you guys.

In any case, fan names shouldn't get their own tags. I don't know about this thread, I'm just here to watch.

Happy New Years.

NotMeNotYou said:
You reported somebody for saying "You're a dick" after you trolled another person. What do you expect I'm going to do with somebody who toes line constantly but is reporting others for doing the same thing?

The last sentence was a rhetoric question, I gave the answer already.

I did not insult anyone. I did not troll anyone either. I made a joke about the fbi when everyone else (including an admin) made the same jokes as well. That isnt trolling.

As I said, I never reported anyone for asking questions about tags or discussing tags. I reported a user for calling people dicks, that has nothing to do with this.

NotMeNotYou said:
Did you sleep through english classes?

You know that famous Pulp Fiction scene where the black dude is yelling at the other "ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"? Please imagine that scene for a minute.

The last sentence was a rhetoric question, I gave the answer already.

Was asking me if I slept though english class, and asking if I speak english necessary? That seems more rude than anything I have said in this thread.

..Please could we just get back to the discussion of tags? ...I'll drop the subject now in hopes we can get back to the discussion about tags.

Conker said:
I asked a question, "can you tell me why" is a question, not an order. It wasnt rude, it was just a question.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/can-or-may

"Can you..." is considered impolite because it indeed either orders people around or is used to denote that you question the abilities of someone doing something.
So yes, "Can you explain yourself?" is a paraphrase for "I want an explanation and I want it now.".

Conker said:
I did not insult anyone. I did not troll anyone either. I made a joke about the fbi when everyone else (including an admin) made the same jokes as well. That isnt trolling.

A joke is generally not done to instill or strengthen fear in the person the joke is being played upon, that dude was already distressed and you poured oil into the fire.
Then you turned on the person who called you out on that.

Conker said:
As I said, I never reported anyone for asking questions about tags or discussing tags. I reported a user for calling people dicks, that has nothing to do with this.

I can quote myself as long as I have to until you manage to understand that I never said anything about you discussing admin decisions.

Conker said:
Was asking me if I slept though english class, and asking if I speak english necessary? That seems more rude than anything I have said in this thread.

You mean besides the fact that a foreigner is better at english than you are and has to explain basic etiquette to you?

NotMeNotYou said:
You mean besides the fact that a foreigner is better at english than you are and has to explain basic etiquette to you?

Thanks for insulting me yet again. Why is this necessary again? I never insulted you, I never asked for you to explain english or grammar, and you are going out of your way just to insult and be rude towards me now...could you please stop?

I already said I would drop the subject. Could we get back to the tag discussion...please?

NotMeNotYou said:
"Can you tell me why?" is an order for the other party to explain themselves and nothing less.
Did you sleep through english classes?

Uhm, sorry, Nimmy, but there? That's a straight up query. If someone said that to me, I, as a native english speaker, would interpret it as someone asking me a question, not demanding an answer. In fact, that specific phrase is known grammatically as an indirect request; about the only way it could become any more contextually polite as written is with the appending of an actual rather than potentially inferred 'please' to the sentence. If it was phrased such that it read, "Tell me why." or "You will tell me why." then it would be an imperative, or if worded "You can tell me." it would be a direct query, bordering on the imperative depending on inflection, but as written in your quote, that is not an order.

EDIT: Your usage of can or may in this context isn't quite right, Nimmy. "May you tell me why?" is grammatically incorrect. In fact if you append 'you' to the beginning of that rather than after 'may' it becomes an order, "You may tell me why". In this case "Will/Would you tell me why?" is the only correct alternative for the query phrasing, and is synonymous with the use of 'can' in this instance, though is considered more informal not more impolite.

You know that famous Pulp Fiction scene where the black dude is yelling at the other "ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?"? Please imagine that scene for a minute.

You reported somebody for saying "You're a dick" after you trolled another person. What do you expect I'm going to do with somebody who toes line constantly but is reporting others for doing the same thing?

The last sentence was a rhetoric question, I gave the answer already.

Was asking me if I slept though english class, and asking if I speak english necessary? That seems more rude than anything I have said in this thread.

Samuel L. Jackson, by the by. And in this case, the one who got reported is defending him, because the way you are treating him is rather harassing yourself. Yes, Conker used the words stupid first as an (undirected at anyone in particular) expression of frustration agaist the tag, but that doesn't mean you need to insult his grasp of the English language in any way. :/ I expect better from you, Nimmy.

Conker said:
I did not insult anyone. I did not troll anyone either. I made a joke about the fbi when everyone else (including an admin) made the same jokes as well. That isnt trolling.

Just 'cause the cool kids do it doesn't make it right to do it too. Yours was rather vicious even compared to the other 'jokes' when the poor guy was freaking out and needed reassurance not people trolling him with fates worse than death. :/

As I said, I never reported anyone for asking questions about tags or discussing tags. I reported a user for calling people dicks, that has nothing to do with this.

You are being a dick, and you reported someone for being a dick by calling you a dick, is what he's saying; so when you're being a dick you are held to higher standards. At least, that is what I gleaned from his comment. Correct me if I'm wrong, Nimmy.

All as bad as each other.

Nothing more.

123easy said:
because the way you are treating him is rather harassing yourself. Yes, Conker used the words stupid first as an (undirected at anyone in particular) expression of frustration agaist the tag, but that doesn't mean you need to insult his grasp of the English language in any way. :/

Thank you.

Halite said:
So you're for the "applejack_without_her_hat" tag then?

Yes.

More specifically I am not against it. It may not be useful to me but I really can't think of a good argument for getting rid of it if it accurately describes the picture in question and as long as we don't forgo the more granular "Applejack" tag which would detract from the searchability.

What harm does it do? At worst it might slightly annoy someone who is editing tags. If you allege that tag clutter is a serious issue then why do we have tags like that_one_bug_that_looks_like_a_croissant_that_you_can_freeze_and_use_as_a_platform?

Azazial said:
...why do we have tags like that_one_bug_that_looks_like_a_croissant_that_you_can_freeze_and_use_as_a_platform?

Because someone doesn't know what a Ripper is called (from Metroid), and no one saw the tag to alias it in the vast sea of tags that we already have plenty of problems maintaining because people make tags like this instead of just asking, or leaving it to someone who does know what it's called to come along and tag it. x_x; Quite vexing.

NotMeNotYou said:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/can-or-may

"Can you..." is considered impolite because it indeed either orders people around or is used to denote that you question the abilities of someone doing something.

The only difference between the two verbs is that one is more polite than the other. In informal contexts it’s perfectly acceptable to use can; in formal situations it would be better to use may.

Dear sir.

Should we consider this thread as a formal situation? Should I write here only while wearing a tie?

Yours faithfully
Gilda

123easy said:
~Voice of reason~

And that is my clue that the sleep deprivation is fucking up my decision making.
I'll take a look at everything tomorrow, once I can be sure that my brain is once again doing what I want it to do. Anything I'd be doing now would be grossly biased.

On topic: Flutterbat is stupid, I still have no idea how I need to pronounce thestrales.

NotMeNotYou said:
And that is my clue that the sleep deprivation is fucking up my decision making.
I'll take a look at everything tomorrow, once I can be sure that my brain is once again doing what I want it to do. Anything I'd be doing now would be grossly biased.

On topic: Flutterbat is stupid, I still have no idea how I need to pronounce thestrales.

"Thess-trall". Basically, it's how you say kestrel, but with a "th" sound instead of a "kh", and a lighter vowel intonation of the second syllable; whether you use a soft e or soft a vowel sound is more personal choice, from my experience and in my opinion, though the soft a has more of an obvious acceptance, based on the spelling of the word.

Wyvrn said:
I think it rhymes with kestrel.

*points to post above* ;p

123easy said:
Call it whining if you want, but it's the truth. They never addressed points that were brought up either as individual points or in response to their own points, merely restated their own reasoning as acceptable, when with people not finding it acceptable without further explanation it isn't. As for it being passive-aggressive, I've very directly asked for it to be addressed, repeatedly, both in the appropriate thread and since in others, so.

Because I've basically given up on replying in these forum threads at all. If I reply, and then go do something that takes my attention away from e621 for half a day, I return to find that I'm two pages behind on not just one discussion, but often multiple discussions.

I don't know how you guys manage to practically live on these forums and have so much drive and determination that you're willing to spend hours and hours each day arguing whether less than 100 pictures on the site should have a particular tag. I don't get it, and it honestly is simply not that important to me.

So congrats, I've been convinced at this point to not even bother replying in these threads anymore, as all it ever seems to do is add more fuel to a fire that I only want to see die out in the first place.

Char said:
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Am I wrong, or does your post after stripping it from all politeness and fancy wording translates to something like this:

TL;DR LOL!
Get a life noobs, you all drive me to drink!

And yet you claim that you don't want to add more fuel to a fire. Okay I might be over-interpreting things, but you guys are also doing this. (for example NMNY and "can you" vs "may you")

BTW Pinkamena tag alone has over 1000 instances, but yeah 100 pictures.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
Am I wrong, or does your post after stripping it from all politeness and fancy wording translates to something like this:

And yet you claim that you don't want to add more fuel to a fire. Okay I might be over-interpreting things, but you guys are also doing this. (for example NMNY and "can you" vs "may you")

It's more like me explaining to you that the amount of time that you guys are demanding that e621's administration spend on issues like this is a little ridiculous, but in particular it's ridiculous for me. I can't speak as much for the other admins, maybe they have a lot more time in the day to handle tagging issues like this than I do.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
BTW Pinkamena tag alone has over 1000 instances, but yeah 100 pictures.

And Pinkamena is not hurting you at all. It's not affecting your searches at all, nor is it affecting anyone else's searches.

This is seriously the last time I respond in this thread and probably any other tagging discussion thread for quite a while. I'm done with the bullshit.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
But you want this tag to be general, character, or species tag?

I would assume a character tag, though I could see an argument for general.

Char said:
It's more like me explaining to you

So congrats, I've been convinced at this point to not even bother replying in these threads anymore,

I'm done with the bullshit.

Looks like more playing the victim to me than explaining.

And Pinkamena is not hurting you at all. It's not affecting your searches at all, nor is it affecting anyone else's searches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts#Logical_fallacy
I refuted you claim that this discussion is about 100 pictures only. And notice the word "alone" in "pinkamena tag alone". This discussion is no longer about single tag, but about recent trend about fandom related tags that are often spontaneously revived, or kept alive without good reason.

Okay I know, that I should probably say it earlier, but better late than never.
You know guys, if you can't catch up with discussion then why not just tell that without insisting that this is bullshit without reading it. I don't know how about rest of guys, but I'm totally for locking this thread, taking a break from this topic for a week or some more time, and then when everyone, including me, find time to read what lead to this point, and calm down, we can try to continue it.

Char :(

Grats, you guys have pushed away the most reasonable admin on the staff with your semantics lol

But ya, this thread hasn't been useful for 2 pages now . . .

ITT: It is explained to us that the only admin who still cares about tagging rules, doesn't mind ignoring TWYS, as long as it's "case-by-case".

That's what I got from it anyway.

So it goes without saying, this thread looks to be pretty.. Yeah. If we can get back to civil discussion of the merits of the tag usage minus all the bile spilling on the floor, it would help administration come to a determination on which tag should be what in the end.

Thread locked.

The behavior shown by the users, and one janitor, in this thread is absolutely appalling, and unacceptable.

If you have feedback that is not constructive, keep it to yourself. If I see this kind of behavior from people again, I will be handing out records and/or bans like beads at Mardi Gras. For now, this thread will be locked as a warning.