Topic: [BUR] Coherent snake-as-bodypart tags, take 2

The bulk update request #12609 is pending approval.

remove implication snake_penis (731) -> unusual_penis (6089)
create alias snake_penis (731) -> snake_for_a_penis (0) # has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR
create alias cock_naga (52) -> naga_for_a_penis (0)
create alias snake_tail (1192) -> snake_for_a_tail (0) # has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through BUR

Reason: Following the style of snake_for_a_tongue. I know these are all rather verbose, but they are much more unambiguous than what we've had up until now. This is a complete reversal of my own previous suggestion of BUR #5002, as I've come to further appreciate the added clarity that this format brings at the expense of brevity.

I'm also adding anthro_for_a_penis, a currently non-existent tag that would cover "clean anthros" (specifically with arms) as a final, non-transforming state, which is currently covered by partial_cock_transformation. I'm aware that this may look like an overly aggressive alias based on the name alone, but the content aligns with what I'm going for with that tag, and having an alias in place will make it easier for people to discover the new tag.

For the time being, I'll hold back from adding imply naga_for_a_penis -> anthro_for_a_penis and imply naga_for_a_penis -> snake_for_a_penis to that BUR, as cock_naga would require some cleanup to avoid the implication causing automatic mistags.

Open questions:

• Should snake_for_a_penis imply snake (snake_penis commonly covers dragons, which would then need their own tag)?
• Should there be a common tag unifying all of these? sentient_penis seems like the obvious one, but snake_penis currently has a lot of clearly non-sentient (as in "non-characters, lacking agency or awareness of their surroundings") posts under it.
• creature_for_a_penis could be promising, but I'm not sure that folding "anthro" into "creature" is the right move, here.
• If anthro_for_a_penis is to be a tag, is there ground for having feral_for_a_penis? That would obviously cover most (but not all) of snake_penis, but also more unique variants such as post #2020499, which would be dubious to call "anthro"

post #2020499

fifteen said:
create alias partial_cock_transformation (36) -> anthro_for_a_penis (0)

This wouldn't be valid for humans, humanoids, or ferals transforming into a penis. Though it really sounds like partial_cock_transformation should be aliased to mid_transformation (which can be combined with cock_transformation).

watsit said:
This wouldn't be valid for humans, humanoids, or ferals transforming into a penis. Though it really sounds like partial_cock_transformation should be aliased to mid_transformation (which can be combined with cock_transformation).

I'm considering this a temporary alias, just assist in discoverability for people using partial_cock_transformation right now. You raise valid points, but that can be addressed at a second stage.

I disagre however that partial_cock_tf should count as mid_transformation, as all the ones I've seen so far are clearly stable and give no indication that they will end up as "complete CTF".

fifteen said:
I'm considering this a temporary alias, just assist in discoverability for people using partial_cock_transformation right now. You raise valid points, but that can be addressed at a second stage.

I don't think we should be having temporary aliases that we know needs to be removed, especially when it can cause mistags in the mean time. Aliases and implications can take a long time to be approved, so it's best to not create ones that we know need to be undone in the future. Discoverability can be assisted by using easy to understand/remember terminology that avoids ambiguity, and taking on a tagging project to add the tag to posts so more people see the tag and know to use it themselves in the future.

fifteen said:
I disagre however that partial_cock_tf should count as mid_transformation, as all the ones I've seen so far are clearly stable and give no indication that they will end up as "complete CTF".

I don't think it's all that clear that they're "stable". Single images aren't great at conveying a sense of time, so there's nothing to say they are or aren't continuing in those images (and something like post #1401487 that I don't think even is a cock tf, rather than a kangaroo using their parent's sheath as a pouch). Though I think that's a moot point, since I don't think mid_transformation strictly requires a transformation to be continuing, just that it depicts an in-between state from what they were to what they're becoming. Something like post #5962080 for example being a "stable" mid_transformation of a human_to_anthro.

watsit said:
Discoverability can be assisted by using easy to understand/remember terminology that avoids ambiguity, and taking on a tagging project to add the tag to posts so more people see the tag and know to use it themselves in the future.

This is mostly new naming patterns, though, so discoverability might be difficult otherwise.

watsit said:
I don't think it's all that clear that they're "stable". Single images aren't great at conveying a sense of time, so there's nothing to say they are or aren't continuing in those images (and something like post #1401487 that I don't think even is a cock tf, rather than a kangaroo using their parent's sheath as a pouch). Though I think that's a moot point, since I don't think mid_transformation strictly requires a transformation to be continuing, just that it depicts an in-between state from what they were to what they're becoming. Something like post #5962080 for example being a "stable" mid_transformation of a human_to_anthro.

Fiiine, you win, partial CTF is a bad alias to create for too many reasons. I'll remove that alias and... I guess I'll just add the tag by hand.

Anthro_for_a_penis because of the arms is futile for the sentient_penises without arms:
post #3818560 post #3831734 post #4112190 post #4447526 post #4059794
Feral_for_a_penis will not apply to these…
However, creature_for_a_penis will work even though there are sometimes plural of this:
post #5623119 post #3207338 post #678330 post #1734028
And I feel 'effy' on the partial_cock_transformation because not all sentient_penises were transformations:
post #2561957 post #4417827 post #521882 post #524843

cow_of_fire said:
Anthro_for_a_penis because of the arms is futile for the sentient_penises without arms:

Well, if you hadn't untagged all of it (and partial ctf), it'd be a lot easier to show you that it was more about the form and coherence than the presence or lack of arms.

post #5803457 post #5226506 post #2486643

Feral_for_a_penis will not apply to these…
However, creature_for_a_penis will work even though there are sometimes plural of this

Plurals can be dealt with later, as the need for them becomes needed. The singular tag works fine for both solo and multi cases.