Topic: Multiple tag aliases for the same artist

Okay so, I'm a music composer and sound designer, and I go by RedLightJynx (my username) when I do work on nsfw things. I want to be able to have a contributor tag RedLightJynx_(music) and RedLightJynx_(sound) to distinguish when I've done sound design and when I've done music for a project (since it's not usually both). How can I use tags and aliases to accomplish this? I'm fairly unfamiliar with the system and need a little help getting it set up how I'd like for proper crediting haha - if I could have both the contributor tags link back to an artist wiki that'd be perfect too.

We don't tag music composers or sound designers. The contributor category is supposed to be for VAs and modellers only right now, even if some people have erroneously made sound and other tags for it. In either case, the tags would be kept separate for the different types of work (e.g. posts that you're tagged for music in shouldn't also be tagged with your normal artist tag, as the latter is intended to be for artwork/renders you've made).

we don't tag music composers... or sound designers..??! huh?! why the heck not?? Sound is half the experience???

some of this stuff is better to have credits in the description.

redlightjynx said:
we don't tag music composers... or sound designers..??! huh?! why the heck not?? Sound is half the experience???

e621 is a visual-focused site, sound is largely ancillary. Adding sound to a post doesn't make a post "better" in terms of e6 quality standards (taking a comic and adding an audio track is likely to get it deleted as a duplicate, even if its really well done audio; visual quality is the primary factor for a video being accepted or rejected, regardless of any audio it may have or its audio quality. Third-party audio edits, in particular, can't have any visual degradation regardless of how good the sound is, and multiple different audio versions for the same video is unlikely to be accepted.

redlightjynx said:
we don't tag music composers... or sound designers..??! huh?! why the heck not?? Sound is half the experience???

Because we don't want to end up in a scenario where we have to tag john_williams_(composer) and the london_symphony_orchestra_(music) whenever the Star Wars Main Theme plays.

More specifically, we have primarily a visual-based only tagging system like @Watsit said, so the main credits should only go to the artist. We have only recently begun to accept contributors, strictly in the form of VAs and 3D modellers, due to high demand for these. We are reluctant to accept new types of "contributions" because people use the exact same argument you made for all sorts of things (e.g., commissioners wanting to be credited for paying for the artwork).

If you still want to credit yourself for all of these contributions, you are highly encouraged to do so in the description section and/or create a public set if you want to share your portfolio.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Because we don't want to end up in a scenario where we have to tag john_williams_(composer) and the london_symphony_orchestra_(music) whenever the Star Wars Main Theme plays.

More specifically, we have primarily a visual-based only tagging system like @Watsit said, so the main credits should only go to the artist. We have only recently begun to accept contributors, strictly in the form of VAs and 3D modellers, due to high demand for these. We are reluctant to accept new types of "contributions" because people use the exact same argument you made for all sorts of things (e.g., commissioners wanting to be credited for paying for the artwork).

If you still want to credit yourself for all of these contributions, you are highly encouraged to do so in the description section and/or create a public set if you want to share your portfolio.

See I think that's what gets me confused. In my opinion, let's say theres an animation a few minutes long, like a cartoon episode almost. It has a custom commissioned soundtrack, and bespoke sound design, with voice acting. Only the artists and voice actors get credit? If the argument being made is that audio doesn't count as real on this site, then it's either all or nothing, why does my days of work go uncredited but someone's hastily recorded va work see the light of day? Thats a very odd imbalance, since voice acting is also audio? Also, do you not have to add the voice actor for mario whenever someone uses a mario sound effect now? Isn't there that same problem?

I appreciate the advice about making a public set. within this current system, that's probably the best I'll get, but it can't be compared to having an artist tag get clicked on to see all the things that they've worked on, just through ease of discovery alone.

watsit said:
e621 is a visual-focused site, sound is largely ancillary. Adding sound to a post doesn't make a post "better" in terms of e6 quality standards (taking a comic and adding an audio track is likely to get it deleted as a duplicate, even if its really well done audio; visual quality is the primary factor for a video being accepted or rejected, regardless of any audio it may have or its audio quality. Third-party audio edits, in particular, can't have any visual degradation regardless of how good the sound is, and multiple different audio versions for the same video is unlikely to be accepted.

Furthermore, I would combat the notion that audio is "ancillary" and doesn't make posts "better" in terms of E6, go look at the top 14 posts on E6 and see how many of them have sound (it is literally all but one of them). I'm not asking for people to credit whatever free asset library they used whenever they use it, but when I've written soundtracks for top rated animations, is it so wrong to want to be tagged in it, lest I be relegated to being in a description nobody reads?

redlightjynx said:
Furthermore, I would combat the notion that audio is "ancillary" and doesn't make posts "better" in terms of E6, go look at the top 14 posts on E6 and see how many of them have sound (it is literally all but one of them). I'm not asking for people to credit whatever free asset library they used whenever they use it, but when I've written soundtracks for top rated animations, is it so wrong to want to be tagged in it, lest I be relegated to being in a description nobody reads?

It should be made clear that "adding sound to a post doesn't make a post better" isn't talking about subjective preference but instead the site's own policy on how to upload. Notice how the uploading guidelines don't mention any quality standards for sound or music. Users may prefer artworks with good sound design and music but that doesn't change that by design the site is focused on visual art. No one's subjective preferences are at play here, this is just how e621 is designed.

eightoflakes said:
It should be made clear that "adding sound to a post doesn't make a post better" isn't talking about subjective preference but instead the site's own policy on how to upload. Notice how the uploading guidelines don't mention any quality standards for sound or music. Users may prefer artworks with good sound design and music but that doesn't change that by design the site is focused on visual art. No one's subjective preferences are at play here, this is just how e621 is designed.

Well I think that's exactly what I take issue with. (Tangentially, the site disallows AI art, but allows AI sounds? Yikes)

The site may have been initially designed as image only focusing, but clearly the use of the site has changed over time to include audio, even if it's less so than art, since audio and visuals are heavily linked in modern media appreciation. At this point, it seems to me less that we're "focusing on art" and more that we're diminishing the work of audio professionals in the space for the sake of "that's not how the site was created in the first place".

It is inarguable at this point that E6 as a platform has become one of, if not the most well known for furry content, be it images, comics, or animations alike. And as that has become the case, it's ever more important for people like me (and many, many others who work in the industry as audio professionals) to be seen and discoverable on platforms that share and distribute our content. We are artists too.

redlightjynx said:
See I think that's what gets me confused. In my opinion, let's say theres an animation a few minutes long, like a cartoon episode almost. It has a custom commissioned soundtrack, and bespoke sound design, with voice acting. Only the artists and voice actors get credit? If the argument being made is that audio doesn't count as real on this site, then it's either all or nothing, why does my days of work go uncredited but someone's hastily recorded va work see the light of day? Thats a very odd imbalance, since voice acting is also audio? Also, do you not have to add the voice actor for mario whenever someone uses a mario sound effect now? Isn't there that same problem?

I appreciate the advice about making a public set. within this current system, that's probably the best I'll get, but it can't be compared to having an artist tag get clicked on to see all the things that they've worked on, just through ease of discovery alone.

The thing is that we do have plenty of such examples, especially in the form of music videos with fully original music/soundtracks.
However, even then we would only tag the artists and animators for the work with no regard to anybody who did the audio work. They would often be credited in the description instead.

As for random snippets of audio (like the Mario sound effect), that is another issue that has not been fully ironed out.
In theory, we would tag everybody who did the voice acting. In practice, however, we only tag some of them.
Even for professional works with full-time voice actors (e.g., post #2077223), we only tag the characters they voice instead of the actual VAs' names.

That being said, the contributor category is still very much in its infancy with only a few guidelines to follow.
You are welcome to bring up your argument on topic #54179 (the official thread discussing it) if you'd like, but it really depends on whether the admins would be keen with these new additions.

thegreatwolfgang said:
The thing is that we do have plenty of such examples, especially in the form of music videos with fully original music/soundtracks.
However, even then we would only tag the artists and animators for the work with no regard to anybody who did the audio work. They would often be credited in the description instead.

As for random snippets of audio (like the Mario sound effect), that is another issue that has not been fully ironed out.
In theory, we would tag everybody who did the voice acting. In practice, however, we only tag some of them.
Even for professional works with full-time voice actors (e.g., post #2077223), we only tag the characters they voice instead of the actual VAs' names.

That being said, the contributor category is still very much in its infancy with only a few guidelines to follow.
You are welcome to bring up your argument on topic #54179 (the official thread discussing it) if you'd like, but it really depends on whether the admins would be keen with these new additions.

I see there is already a thread I can bring this up on. Thanks for pointing that out! <3

In that case I facet that I should make my case there like you say!