Hi! I have a concern about the "intersex" alias. I think it is being used way too broadly. Tags like "futa_solo," 1futa" and "futanari_only" are specific and do not refer to the same content as more general tags like "futanari" and "intersex" itself. As well, "futanari" is not the same as other forms of intersex. My problem is you cannot be specific when searching for content, or when blacklisting content. I would like to be able to blacklist tags like "futanari only" and "intersex only" while leaving my search results open to tags like "futanari/female," as well as blocking other forms of intersex. As it stands, I cannot block content I absolutely do not want to see without also blocking content I don't mind seeing. I hope this is something that can be resolved, as it seems to me like a glaring issue. Thanks!
Topic: Intersex alias is way too broad
Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
Completely agree. A lot of content that is futa and non futa is now tagged as intersex and now i just can not block futanari tag. . .
rubiont-47 said:
Completely agree. A lot of content that is futa and non futa is now tagged as intersex and now i just can not block futanari tag. . .
What is considered as "futanari" in your mind?
rubiont-47 said:
Completely agree. A lot of content that is futa and non futa is now tagged as intersex and now i just can not block futanari tag. . .
You say "is now tagged", but these aliases have existed for over a decade
The futanari alias predates your account by 3 years
It's aliased because it's ambiguous, you should read the post right above yours as well as the wiki for intersex to figure out what tags you're actually looking for
thegreatwolfgang said:
What is considered as "futanari" in your mind?
Character that looks like female, but have a dick instead of vagina.
donovan_dmc said:
You say "is now tagged", but these aliases have existed for over a decade
The futanari alias predates your account by 3 yearsIt's aliased because it's ambiguous, you should read the post right above yours as well as the wiki for intersex to figure out what tags you're actually looking for
Well, if I am not mistaken around 6 years ago I posted a couple of arts with futa on this site. From history I see that they was renamed from futa to intersex two years ago. I understand that futanari can be ambiguous. But intersex is even more ambiguous in those terms. Too many characters is falls under this tag that can be intersex, but have no corelation with futa.
rubiont-47 said:
Character that looks like female, but have a dick instead of vagina.
what you want is gynomorph then. gynomorph is female body with dick.
manitka said:
what you want is gynomorph then. gynomorph is female body with dick.
Yeah, I have noticed it from the wiki now. That futa is describes as gynomorph here. The thing is that I did not knew this term. Always and everywhere people was using just futa.
rubiont-47 said:
Yeah, I have noticed it from the wiki now. That futa is describes as gynomorph here. The thing is that I did not knew this term. Always and everywhere people was using just futa.
Yeah, we don't use futa here because it can be a bit ambiguous, some circles use futa to describe gynomorph, while some use it to describe herm (so dick + pussy).
and andromorph is the opposite, "male bodied" with pussy.
Intersex shouldn't be used by itself except for certain circumstances, it's just a broad catchall tag for all of the intersex tags (herm, male_herm, andromorph, gynomorph), that's why it's such a broad tag.
rubiont-47 said:
Character that looks like female, but have a dick instead of vagina.
Unfortunately, some consider feminine body + penis AND vagina as being "futanari". Thus, we cannot have that be the sole definition.
Alternatively we could disambiguate / invalidate the futanari tag, but I'm not sure if that would create more problems than it solves...
manitka said:
Yeah, we don't use futa here because it can be a bit ambiguous, some circles use futa to describe gynomorph, while some use it to describe herm (so dick + pussy).
and andromorph is the opposite, "male bodied" with pussy.Intersex shouldn't be used by itself except for certain circumstances, it's just a broad catchall tag for all of the intersex tags (herm, male_herm, andromorph, gynomorph), that's why it's such a broad tag.
IMO, there should be an umbrella tag for gynomorph and herm, and futa should be aliased to it. It would be more logical and less confusing for people looking up futa than having it aliased to intersex.
snedmano said:
Alternatively we could disambiguate / invalidate the futanari tag, but I'm not sure if that would create more problems than it solves...
Creating a futanari_(disambiguation) tag would require a lot of upkeep (to cleanup any mistags) and would be no different than what intersex is doing right now.
The thing is that intersex is already somewhat a pseudo-disambiguation tag since you are meant to specifically tag one of its subtags, rather than simply tagging something as intersex.
The only reason it still exists as a general tag is because it is used as an umbrella tag to encompass everything that is not purely male or female.
iseekstowin said:
IMO, there should be an umbrella tag for gynomorph and herm, and futa should be aliased to it. It would be more logical and less confusing for people looking up futa than having it aliased to intersex.
That could easily lead to people only tagging futa, rather than the more appropriate gynomorph or herm. I'm also not a fan of hierarchical sex tags like these since they cause an explosion of implicated tags (try tagging gynomorph_penetrating_herm and see how many tags get added by implication, compared to tagging male_penetrating_female). Adding *futa* tags to this stack would make the issue much worse.
thegreatwolfgang said:
Creating a futanari_(disambiguation) tag would require a lot of upkeep (to cleanup any mistags) and would be no different than what intersex is doing right now.The thing is that intersex is already somewhat a pseudo-disambiguation tag since you are meant to specifically tag one of its subtags, rather than simply tagging something as intersex.
The only reason it still exists as a general tag is because it is used as an umbrella tag to encompass everything that is not purely male or female.
I'd argue a futanari_(disambiguation) tag would more or less force people to look up the tag definition and see the correct terms.
Now it sort of works, but not in a way any normal user expect, which creates a lot of confusion.
So in my opinion making that tag stop working at all would be more helpful than having it work incorrectly.
Perhaps this could be combined with a system that stops any post creations (and perhaps also edits) that would add disambiguated tags, instead displaying a helpful error message.
watsit said:
That could easily lead to people only tagging futa, rather than the more appropriate gynomorph or herm. I'm also not a fan of hierarchical sex tags like these since they cause an explosion of implicated tags (try tagging gynomorph_penetrating_herm and see how many tags get added by implication, compared to tagging male_penetrating_female). Adding *futa* tags to this stack would make the issue much worse.
I have considered that, but what's stopping them from doing that right now?
Alternatively, you could have futa alias to the search syntax for posts with either gynomorph or herm in the search field, but that's not possible right now.
rubiont-47 said:
Yeah, I have noticed it from the wiki now. That futa is describes as gynomorph here. The thing is that I did not knew this term. Always and everywhere people was using just futa.
If I'm remembering right, andromorph and gynomorph are neologisms created by e621, because the terms that were being used before all tended to turn into, well... slurs. Futa included. (Am I remembering right?)
(I have seen both used outside of this site some after they were introduced, though, so they do seem to be getting accepted as neutral-sounding objective terms for a given character design.)
lendrimujina said:
If I'm remembering right, andromorph and gynomorph are neologisms created by e621, because the terms that were being used before all tended to turn into, well... slurs. Futa included. (Am I remembering right?)(I have seen both used outside of this site some after they were introduced, though, so they do seem to be getting accepted as neutral-sounding objective terms for a given character design.)
Yep, but this is mainly in regard to dickgirl and cuntboy rather than futanari (which is just a Japanese term), see topic #24332.
Yeah honestly when searching for intersex art im looking for specifics, yet with the terms restricted art I dont want to see keeps popping in!
kathyohneke said:
Yeah honestly when searching for intersex art im looking for specifics, yet with the terms restricted art I dont want to see keeps popping in!
then just use the more specific tags?
kathyohneke said:
Yeah honestly when searching for intersex art im looking for specifics, yet with the terms restricted art I dont want to see keeps popping in!
We already have tags to find specifics: herm, gynomorph, maleherm, andromorph, busty boy (lore). Without knowing specifically what you want, this can only be treated as a skill issue; removing aliases from intersex wouldn't fix this.