Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
The bulk update request #12054 is pending approval.
create alias full-body_suit (54) -> full_body_suit (292)
create implication full_body_suit (292) -> bodysuit (20666)
Reason: The first line is a tag merge of identical concepts spelled differently, from smaller to bigger tag size.
The second line could be an alias instead, but a bodysuit doesn't necessarily mean full-body, so implication seems more accurate.
What is a full_body_suit supposed to be? The tagged posts just look like skinsuit to me (some bodysuits).
If the bodysuit covers the entire body (including the head) we tag that just as skinsuit, so full_body_suit is unnecessary anyway.
demonthedarkhound said:
What is a full_body_suit supposed to be? The tagged posts just look like skinsuit to me (some bodysuits).
If the bodysuit covers the entire body (including the head) we tag that just as skinsuit, so full_body_suit is unnecessary anyway.
Zentai is actually the tag for garments that cover the whole body+head.
Looking at skinsuit, bodysuit, unitard (when it's not mistagged), and full_body_suit, there's a LOT of overlap and redundancy.
The bodysuit definition is "Bodysuit is a type of skin-tight garment (skinsuit) covering the torso, crotch and sometimes legs, hands and feet."
Skinsuit: "Skinsuit, in general, is a skin-tight garment held to the skin, usually by elastic tension using some type of stretch fabric such as spandex or elastane. Usually implies covering of most of the skin or a set of skin-tight clothes."
And unitard: "A unitard is a skintight, one-piece garment with long legs and sometimes long sleeves, usually stopping at the wrists and ankles."
Maybe I'm missing something but these all look like "tight one-piece garment that covers a lot of skin." As far as I can tell the only difference in use is that 'unitard' images are a little more likely to involve athletics/acrobatics themes. These tags need to be differentiated or consolidated.
regsmutt said:
Zentai is actually the tag for garments that cover the whole body+head.Looking at skinsuit, bodysuit, unitard (when it's not mistagged), and full_body_suit, there's a LOT of overlap and redundancy.
The bodysuit definition is "Bodysuit is a type of skin-tight garment (skinsuit) covering the torso, crotch and sometimes legs, hands and feet."
Skinsuit: "Skinsuit, in general, is a skin-tight garment held to the skin, usually by elastic tension using some type of stretch fabric such as spandex or elastane. Usually implies covering of most of the skin or a set of skin-tight clothes."
And unitard: "A unitard is a skintight, one-piece garment with long legs and sometimes long sleeves, usually stopping at the wrists and ankles."Maybe I'm missing something but these all look like "tight one-piece garment that covers a lot of skin." As far as I can tell the only difference in use is that 'unitard' images are a little more likely to involve athletics/acrobatics themes. These tags need to be differentiated or consolidated.
I had to deal with all these *suit tags for discussions about rubber_suit and catsuits.
In terms of coverage the bodysuit covers the torso, legs (when it doesn’t cover the legs it’s a leotard) and potentially the arms, but stops at the neck. I always wanted to start a discussion about this, because this is basically how the unitard is described.
I hoped someone with more skill than me would take care of these descriptions, I absolutely SUCK at writing explanations.
Also, looking up the definition of bodysuit (or skinsuit) online doesn’t help either. The wiki of bodysuit starts with a disclaimer that basically says that the definition there isn’t universally agreed upon (in advertising a lot of these terms are just used when the companies feel like it).
Zentai - While the irl definition says it’s for garments that cover the entire body, I’ve only ever seen this term used in the context of Power Rangers/superhero suits.
Skinsuit - The umbrella term for these kinds of suits.
Looking through unitard it’s quite the mess. For me it’s also in the context of athletics/acrobatics, but the minority of posts tagged with it actually show something like that.
What about suits that aren't skintight? Like leather or thicker materials, as opposed to rubber. Or would these fall under bdsm_suit?
sandentwinks said:
What about suits that aren't skintight? Like leather or thicker materials, as opposed to rubber. Or would these fall under bdsm_suit?
overalls or coveralls might fit what you are searching for.
Looking through bdsm_suit , I don't have confidence this tag will stay for long. All I see is bdsm + random piece of clothing and some normal skinsuits. The few actual suits made for bdsm-stuff shown there might better fit to gimp_suit .
demonthedarkhound said:
overalls or coveralls might fit what you are searching for.
Not quite, but jumpsuit comes close.
Regardless of whether these tags are meant to stay or not, they're here right now, and deserve to be properly grouped. Maybe one day someone will go through all these artworks and properly sort them by clothing type, but until that day happens, we be browsing.
Really wish some of these overlapping-yet-distinct tags had diagrams or clear indications. It's tough to know the proper tags to use, and using both might just add to the problem. Should we just make an arbitrary distinction like "bodysuit covers the limbs while skinsuit doesn't" in those cases? (I'm genuinely trying to understand the tagging philosophy of this site.)
sandentwinks said:
Regardless of whether these tags are meant to stay or not, they're here right now, and deserve to be properly grouped.
If you mean giving implications to tags that will likely be aliased away, no, that's not how it works. We would need to remove the implication again before we can get rid off the tag, resulting in more work.
sandentwinks said:
Really wish some of these overlapping-yet-distinct tags had diagrams or clear indications. It's tough to know the proper tags to use, and using both might just add to the problem. Should we just make an arbitrary distinction like "bodysuit covers the limbs while skinsuit doesn't" in those cases? (I'm genuinely trying to understand the tagging philosophy of this site.)
Bodysuit and skinsuit are always used together. Bodysuit implies skinsuit, due to it being the umbrella term.
For tagging pieces of clothing we would normally just go by the definitions... The problem is that the definitions of bodysuit and skinsuit are quite shit in that regard. The irl wiki of bodysuit starts with a disclaimer that basically says that the definition isn't universally agreed upon. Especially in advertising it's applied rather willy-nilly. The wiki of skinsuit on the other hand just notes sportswear as an example.
So, e6-only definitions for both tags were created based upon what people mean when they use them.
Currently, all tags that end on *suit are plagued by frequent mistags. I remember that the color_suit tags (black_suit, red_suit,...) are often used incorrectly. These refer to the business-kind of suit and also imply it, but you can also find them on a lot of posts with skinsuit. Some people use *suit when they actually just mean "clothes".
Or the tag is used completely incorrectly from start to finish. Looking at you goo_suit (meant for clothes made out of goo, tagged on posts that feature various different subjects that are not clothes made out of goo)
There's also the 'disguise' type of suit, the sort of thing you'd see, I dunno, in Men in Black, Tiny Toon Adventures, or Scooby-Doo, which doesn't have a special tag over here and it's usually referred to as a skinsuit. :P
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