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manitka said:
I don’t like cub art myself. But things like this can become a boiling frog situation. These laws get them a foot in the door to destroy any content they object to.First it’s cub, then it’s feral, then it’s any furry art.
And any other fetish that is “immoral” or “incorrect”. Including lgbt content.
When I supported the Tigers Eating People's Faces party, I never thought the tigers would eat my face!
dba_afish said:
I hate making this argument because fear of "being next" really isn't the reason you should be supporting others' rights to freedom of speech, expression, and the like... but like, bro, your favs've got art depicting bestiality (often with harkness test falling ferals), incest, as well as rape and other non-consential acts; all that stuff has already been targeted recently on other platforms and had to be taken down... and, hell, if the powers that be had their way they'd probably depictions of all that gay sex in your favs illegal too, not to mention the fact that they don't view furries in general in too great a light.but really, it shouldn't matter if it's people depicting their ageplay fantasies, their rape fantasies, whatever. art whose creation and existence has harmed no one, just like any other form of speech, should be something that's protected by anyone that has a functioning conscience.
Actually, the end game is 100% all porn. And then all "porn" which will be redefined as anything they disagree with.
votp said:
When I supported the Tigers Eating People's Faces party, I never thought the tigers would eat my face!
The bigger shock is that the Grizzlies did it, too!
coffee_doggo said:
I dont know, seems pretty reasonable to get rid of porn depicting characters with the anatomical structure of 6 year olds, just my crazy opinion tho.
This is fundamentally flawed logic; whether you realize it or not, it's the "video games cause violence" argument from the '90s all over again and not rooted in reality. Whether or it's sexuality or violence doesn't change that either, nor do the laws of certain countries' governments (which are made upon the same flawed logic).
As others pointed out, your faves are stacked with content that would, in the end, be equated to condoning crime as well. Namely some human X feral stuff, which many other prudes will cry "bestiality" and become rabid over. And if merely some theme being present in a piece of media equates to condoning and/or participating in real-world equivalents, then that would make furry art in general equivalent to bestiality (after all, normal people™ don't need animalistic features in their porn!). And you may be thinking your faves don't make you a zoophile- and you'd be right! And most of us into cub feel the same way about our interests.
Remember, others will be uncomfortable with the things you like and be on the same moral crusade against them. You know you're not harming anyone by enjoying human X feral content, and I (as well as most of us into cub) ask you to afford the same understanding to others whose interests make you uncomfortable.
dba_afish said:
...but really, it shouldn't matter if it's people depicting their ageplay fantasies, their rape fantasies, whatever.
That's the key part that should be understood here. That's the key part that I think a LOT of people don't really understand when it comes to stuff like this, especially fictional things like furry art and such. It is fantasy, and so long as it doesn't extend to real people in real situations, absolutely go for it.
Hey, I don't know if this forum is active but I would like to know. So Viewing any cub art is illegal now in Texas or is it just that it can't be like human in nature? I'm not a fan of all the cub content here but I do like Black-Kitten: Mornings comics and some pokemon that are sometimes labeled as young.
bakedbeans420j said:
Hey, I don't know if this forum is active but I would like to know. So Viewing any cub art is illegal now in Texas or is it just that it can't be like human in nature? I'm not a fan of all the cub content here but I do like Black-Kitten: Mornings comics and some pokemon that are sometimes labeled as young.
That is a question you have to ask your own lawyers, as with any legal advice.
So far, I don't think anybody has been prosecuted for having cub porn, nor have I seen anybody try to argue in court the legal differences between a young anthro and a human.
I’m a cub artist, so I suppose I’ll make my input here to try to give a nuanced view from someone who draws cub.
A lot of my art is antagonistic explorations into imagined experiences, I don’t have an attraction to minors, and I don’t think my art really makes me someone that would target children, I can’t speak to my viewers, but a lot of what I draw is venting trauma and fears that come about from that trauma, I draw anxieties,
Being a victim myself, there’s a lot of horrible dated academic papers about victims being more likely to harm children, and growing up in the 90s, with that abuse on my back, it was often put on me, mentioned and pushed as a reason to not trust me, anxiety from not trusting people makes me quiet in social settings, and folks in the know with my trauma would mention to not trust me back then, so I use art to over come those anxieties, and put what I went through out there, with a heavy layer of fantasy painted over it to avoid any clauses against being based on real events, just to get it out there.
That’s my right though, to draw those things, to share those anxieties to the odd few that might understand it, instead of simply blowing their load. It’s my right to share something I can’t actually say without breaking down, art therapy quite often encourages drawing the things that trouble you, and me putting it out there removes the guilt of needing to draw things that hurt me to stay mentally healthy.
Pedophiles don’t seem to draw cub art, they appeal to children, and their families, by trying to seem normal, and hide those interests, the outliers are more bold, Minecraft YouTubers tend to be clean cut role models, until the horrible truth comes out, pedophiles exist everywhere, having talked to people who work in catching pedophiles (feds curious about my clients, and thoughts) have expressed that pedophiles tend to not avoid being a role model, they want to be good semaritans, they wanna be where children are online. Roblox, GTA, randomized video chat rooms, admins on discord servers, I’m talking people who actually abuse or groom children, online and otherwise.
I think the majority of the people here, against cub art, don’t really understand why it exists, and have never met or dealt with a pedophile in person, or in tandem in their social groups, and if they did they directed the blame towards artists that are just trying to feel better, even if they made a career out of it, trauma and life experiences make successful artists, and make artists fall into niches most won’t understand.
Let me draw my art therapy and share it, I don’t do anything wrong in doing so, the fact it upsets you means it’s good art, art should challenge the well, and comfort the troubled. This extends to the academic art world, and high art worlds, and it should also extend to furry, and anime.
Thanks for coming to my over use of commas talk, in the words of 4lung “la la la de de de, Your youth will keep you free, you don’t wanna give it to a girl like me”
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toxicfcknferret said:
Pedophiles don’t seem to draw cub art[...]
it's unfortunate, but there definitely are those who do; similar with zoos and feral or just furry in general. they'll try to normalise their actions and desires through their art or use it to lure minors.
you don't see it on here, like, ever, because those people will get insta banned and have all their stuff removed, and you see it on IB a lot less, since they finally started cracking down on it over the last couple years. but there are people who will actually advocate for the complete abolition of age of consent, use the MAP flag unironically, and the like, both within their art or in their bio/journals on the same account.
the grand majority of the community are totally cool, normal weirdos like the rest of us, but... they are around.
that's all the more reason to keep cub stuff safe and legal, though. the only thing making it illegal does is move it into the shadows, turn potential whistleblowers into criminals.
Really nice post from you Toxic, never knew this was a therapy for you, hope it's helping you.
Sadly this is one of the worst times for media literacy so ofc most people think if someone is making/liking/consuming something they are "endorsing it", which is wrong but good luck trying to change their minds...
