Topic: BURds of a Feather

The bulk update request #10406 is pending approval.

remove implication white_feathers (31589) -> white_body (847363)
remove implication red_feathers (9424) -> red_body (191560)
remove implication black_feathers (16399) -> black_body (425514)
remove implication blue_feathers (39263) -> blue_body (412724)
remove implication brown_feathers (11970) -> brown_body (491895)
remove implication green_feathers (6039) -> green_body (190121)
remove implication grey_feathers (11543) -> grey_body (383619)
remove implication purple_feathers (9667) -> purple_body (189901)
remove implication orange_feathers (5693) -> orange_body (242390)
remove implication tan_feathers (2996) -> tan_body (244300)
remove implication yellow_feathers (18264) -> yellow_body (275637)
remove implication rainbow_feathers (155) -> rainbow_body (1015)
remove implication pink_feathers (4636) -> pink_body (162106)
remove implication teal_feathers (129) -> teal_body (4088)
remove implication monotone_feathers (410) -> monotone_body (16576)

Reason: There are several instances of a bird having multiple colors of feathers. However, there are also times where the amount of a certain color of feathers warrants the colored feather tag, but not the colored body tag. This should help alleviate those who upload Avians.

bird-tm said:
However, there are also times where the amount of a certain color of feathers warrants the colored feather tag, but not the colored body tag.

This really applies to all body types, including fur, scales, and skin. Stripes, spots, and other patterns can result in characters getting tagged <color>_fur, <color>_scales, etc, but aren't indicative of the body more broadly. Some have argued that any instance of a color appearing on a character's body should get the requisite <color>_body tag, and others have argued that a small enough patch of color on a body shouldn't be tagged <color>_fur, <color>_scales, etc (and that if it is large enough to tag the fur/scales/etc color, it's large enough to tag as a body color).

For my part, I'm torn. I recognize tagging <color>_fur, <color>_feathers, etc for small parts of the body probably shouldn't implicate the body itself being that color. Someone searching <color>_body probably shouldn't find results of characters that are a completely different color except for a small barely visible spot somewhere on their inner thigh or something that is that color. But I somewhat often see tags like <color>_fur, <color>_scales, etc, be excluded from posts because there's not enough detail for the tagger to tell whether something's fur or scales or whatever, and they tag it as just <color>_body. However, I wager that most posts tagged <color>_body, are done so through the <color>_fur, <color>_feathers, etc, implications. Removing these implications will make it harder to search for characters with a given colored body; if someone just tagged it <color>_body because they weren't sure what it was made of, then someone searching <color>_feathers when they "know" it was feathers won't find it, while searching <color>_body to be more broad won't work if someone just tagged <color>_feathers and these implications weren't there to add <color>_body.

watsit said:
This really applies to all body types, including fur, scales, and skin. Stripes, spots, and other patterns can result in characters getting tagged <color>_fur, <color>_scales, etc, but aren't indicative of the body more broadly. Some have argued that any instance of a color appearing on a character's body should get the requisite <color>_body tag, and others have argued that a small enough patch of color on a body shouldn't be tagged <color>_fur, <color>_scales, etc (and that if it is large enough to tag the fur/scales/etc color, it's large enough to tag as a body color).

For my part, I'm torn. I recognize tagging <color>_fur, <color>_feathers, etc for small parts of the body probably shouldn't implicate the body itself being that color. Someone searching <color>_body probably shouldn't find results of characters that are a completely different color except for a small barely visible spot somewhere on their inner thigh or something that is that color. But I somewhat often see tags like <color>_fur, <color>_scales, etc, be excluded from posts because there's not enough detail for the tagger to tell whether something's fur or scales or whatever, and they tag it as just <color>_body. However, I wager that most posts tagged <color>_body, are done so through the <color>_fur, <color>_feathers, etc, implications. Removing these implications will make it harder to search for characters with a given colored body; if someone just tagged it <color>_body because they weren't sure what it was made of, then someone searching <color>_feathers when they "know" it was feathers won't find it, while searching <color>_body to be more broad won't work if someone just tagged <color>_feathers and these implications weren't there to add <color>_body.

This should only be the case with feathers. There's VAST amounts of birds (excluding sexual dimorphism) that have several feather colors.

Let's look at the Javan Green Magpie. It has red, black, and green feathers. If I tried to tag all three of those colors, it also gets three body tags, two of which aren't applicable to the situation.

For furred creatures, it's easier; if a creature has brown fur, chances are the rest of their body has brown fur, making brown_body an easy implication. However, for birds, it's a different beast altogether; A bird with white feathers might not have a white body.