Topic: New e621 interface

My only critique is having that little notification bubble next to the forum button each time there's a new thread/post. I wish it only showed that bubble for threads that I have, personally, interacted or posted in. I don't like seeing it for EVERY thread on this site, really makes my OCD itch.

Coming from a desktop user, its different, but not really an upgrade imo. I don't like change!
More importantly. How do I access the page that shows all the comments across all my posts now? Its the first thing I check every time I come here, and I cant find it anywhere.
Edit: Nvm, I found it. Go to account, then under uploads, click comments.

intergalacticboner said:
My only critique is having that little notification bubble next to the forum button each time there's a new thread/post. I wish it only showed that bubble for threads that I have, personally, interacted or posted in. I don't like seeing it for EVERY thread on this site, really makes my OCD itch.

Same here, it's a little irritating. An on/off switch in the settings would be nice for that. Very minor thing.

Oh my god, this is just awful. Literally a textbook example of Enshittification!

The legendary front page has turned into a mocking parody. The site design starting to resemble a soulless and inhumane corporate style. Everything in the menu is mixed up and now you can’t find anything.

rezerkity said:
Same here, it's a little irritating. An on/off switch in the settings would be nice for that. Very minor thing.

An option to just disable would be way better. I prefer to check out my mentions anyways lol

kyiiel said:
Looks good to me. The only thing I don't like is the permanent red dot on the [forum] tab. Nobody is going to read every thread.

nobodyimportant17 said:
I hope there's a way to disable it soon.

If it helps, there's a button for "mark all as read" up in the top next to the Request BUR button.

intergalacticboner said:
An option to just disable would be way better. I prefer to check out my mentions anyways lol

Same, I don't really care to keep up with every forum post, and just seeing mentions would be nice.

But aside from that minor gripe, the overall UI is just cleaner than the previous. It's not too much different, and I like that, it just feels like a polishing touch-up on the previous UI. Most of the site doesn't seem to have changed much either, and the functionality is all there too. Now to make it work on mobile since it has some weird security certificate issue on my end. :p

rezerkity said:
Same here, it's a little irritating. An on/off switch in the settings would be nice for that. Very minor thing.

I'll add an option for that in the next release.

thegabsshow said:
What do you think of the new interface of our beloved e621?

I liked it because I never imagined that the website interface would change, so I still haven't gotten used to the change, I'm still adapting to finding each option.

And maybe even find out if new secret interactions have been added, who knows. Hehe

This even reminded me of the time the website made a joke by changing the color to red and yellow, a reference to another website that did this, and called it mustard and ketchup.

So thanks e621 team, a new interesting change from e621.

I do not like it. It's almost as bad as when deviantart changed it's style

cinder said:
I'll add an option for that in the next release.

Thanks, that would be much appreciated. But it really is a minor gripe - I really like the update!

Well this is just great. I still have to edit the URL directly to go to a specific page of my favorites, but now the URL has the part I need to edit in the middle instead of at the end.

Broke my custom navigation scripts.

Otherwise, what's supposed to be different?

tarrgon said:
I, for one, am completely on board with a full redesign of the site from the ground up, which I'm aware is very unlikely to ever happen, but small modernizations are completely fine with me to at least bring it into this decade.

it feels like we just did a full site redesign a few years ago, though. was NG really that long ago that we need to do an NG+ or something?

It's another one of those situations where they don't announce anything before just changing stuff, which yknow, it's their site and whatnot, but a little heads up or something would of been nice. Ultimately, I don't like it, but it's as said before, don't fix what isn't broken, that certainly applies here: as far as I'm aware the changes weren't necessary.
Especially to the like, welcome screen, that used to look so clean before but now it's kinda messy.

flowrfalln said:
I mirror the concerns about the design change opening the door to more revisionist nonsense, like a certain unwarned purge a little while ago

dba_afish said:
Cinder or anyone else working on UI/UX is entirely unrelated to site policy changes. this dosn't even make sense.

I think both changes are a sign of further enshittification rather than somehow connected to each other. First, they ban the discussion of and self-identification with rather controversial sexual orientations, and two years later, they ban sexualized young-human content and remove it in a rush, without warning, with lots of colaterally deleted posts, and lie about the reason for this action at first. Now, they make the site look more generic and unoriginal. It's easy to see why one might be concerned about this site. But at least this site is not as bloated as most of the mainstream web is.

tarrgon said:
Funny joke, any UI change to people using the site for 15 years is gonna generate plenty of complaints just because change is evil when it comes to users and UI, despite how old and not intuitive the UI is.

Like when Reddit did it's redesign into a more modern UI, but they have to serve the old one to a dwindling user base of people that were too annoyed to work with the change (though at one point the concern for it being slower on older hardware was actually a potential issue, but holding back for 20 year old hardware is really stupid). It's honestly one of the most annoying things to see as a dev because it makes it impossible to actually make change that will benefit new users, and not anger existing users.

I, for one, am completely on board with a full redesign of the site from the ground up, which I'm aware is very unlikely to ever happen, but small modernizations are completely fine with me to at least bring it into this decade.

I would not consider it stupid to hold onto a librebooted ThinkPad from 2006, especially if you are politically active or work in recreational psychiatry. You also seem to be forgetting about poor people who might still be using an early 2010s netbook today, which were considered annoyingly slow even then.

It's not bad I guess. It felt like whiplash opening the site since it's been the same for like 3 years but otherwise it's good. Although I think it's kinda dumb that the old account page is gone and they still haven't fixed being able to add notes on mobile.

There isn't much change. Mostly the home page. But, people hate any and all change regardless of how good or bad it is, so of course people will be complaining because their muscle memory broke.

Personally, I don't mind it. It's nice to have the navbar in a consistent location. However, it looks like it's using the same layout for the navbar on the home page as it does outside of it including the second row which is totally blank on the home page. Otherwise I sincerely don't understand why people are complaining.

My only concern by proxy of the new UI is I noticed e621 now has a SubscribeStar, and we all know how much those types of sites love, love, love imposing content bans. I'm already strongly opposed to the ones e621 already implemented and were completely untransparent about, not looking forward to more that will inevitably occur as a result.

electricitywolf said:
First, they ban the discussion of and self-identification with rather controversial sexual orientations

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I really hope we'll get an option to revert back even if temporarily. RE621 resets its settings when reinstalled, which I'm going to assume an update to accommodate the new layout requires. That might include resetting the subscribed tags, which would be gutting. It has an export feature, but the sudden redesign rendered it inaccessible.In the future a clearer heads-up on site wide matters like this would be appreciated.

It has already been updated, and works fine without any loss.

Just noticed that the "Welcome" page with text in different languages was also deleted - This is essentially equivalent to Google abandoning its "Don't be evil" slogan, so you can already imagine what will happen next

nikopol said:
Just noticed that the "Welcome" page with text in different languages was also deleted - This is essentially equivalent to Google abandoning its "Don't be evil" slogan, so you can already imagine what will happen next

it's not deleted, it's just not linked on the nav menu currently

electricitywolf said:
First, they ban the discussion of and self-identification with rather controversial sexual orientations

That is a self-report if I've ever seen one.
Neither pedophilia nor zoophilia is a sexual orientation.

cinder said:
That is a self-report if I've ever seen one.
Neither pedophilia nor zoophilia is a sexual orientation.

was that even something we allowed _before_ the last 2-3 years? because I feel like I remember peeps getting permed for talking about how they want to fuck a dog in real life (or that they already had) and-- the other thing _ech for pretty much as long as I've been on the site.

cinder said:
People keep saying that, but it's just factually not true.
The UI was reworked to make it functional on mobile. And people have complained about it, yes.
No, there will not be an option to revert back to the old version.

But it feels like it takes more taps/time to get where I want on mobile compared to old mobile with desktop. Everything used to be nice and condensed at the menu on the top. Now if I wanna see Hot/Popular from somewhere other than the home screen, it seems like it takes more time. Used to just touch the posts bottom and then bam, both options were there in its submenu. Hate it.

cinder said:
No, there will not be an option to revert back to the old version.

e621 is about to lose some traffic if don’t.

el_padrillo said:
But it feels like it takes more taps/time to get where I want on mobile compared to old mobile with desktop. Everything used to be nice and condensed at the menu on the top. Now if I wanna see Hot/Popular from somewhere other than the home screen, it seems like it takes more time. Used to just touch the posts bottom and then bam, both options were there in its submenu. Hate it.

all the same things are in the nav menu (sans /users/home being replaced with a userpage link). the only thing that's happened was they were moved around slightly.

xerokyzer said:
Why? The old interface was fine. Clicking on the profile button leads to an error screen.

An unexpected error occurred.

Log ID: *random numbers*

You know full well that error's from before the change, you have 220k favourites

I think the changes are pretty cool~

dba_afish said:
was that even something we allowed _before_ the last 2-3 years? because I feel like I remember peeps getting permed for talking about how they want to fuck a dog in real life (or that they already had) and-- the other thing _ech for pretty much as long as I've been on the site.

One would get banned for admitting to want to do it or to have done it, but one would not get banned for merely admitting to feel attraction.

Not a fan.

sksjsjsjjs said:
e621 is about to lose some traffic if don’t.

I kinda miss using Facebook before it went downhill in 2016. I tried logging in again and saw their lame redesign. Pixiv recently updated its logo, and it’s just as soulless as the Jaguar logo. And don’t even get me started on DeviantArt’s awful redesign.

dba_afish said:
was that even something we allowed _before_ the last 2-3 years? because I feel like I remember peeps getting permed for talking about how they want to fuck a dog in real life (or that they already had) and-- the other thing _ech for pretty much as long as I've been on the site.

That's not really the point of this topic, so I'll be brief.
Talking about participating in or fantasizing about sexual activities involving children or animals had always been banned.
Discussing the attraction to such was a bit of a grey zone that was not explicitly forbidden.

I personally believe that closing that particular loophole was a good thing.

el_padrillo said:
But it feels like it takes more taps/time to get where I want on mobile compared to old mobile with desktop. Everything used to be nice and condensed at the menu on the top. Now if I wanna see Hot/Popular from somewhere other than the home screen, it seems like it takes more time. Used to just touch the posts bottom and then bam, both options were there in its submenu. Hate it.

I'm genuinely not sure what you are talking about.
It's the same amount of clicks as before.

I fucking ADORE the UI change. The side menu button is so much more intuitive than having to click through the welcome page any time I want to go anywhere on the site. Love the home page look too, keeps things clean while adding quite a bit of functionality.

dba_afish said:
general purpose furry art archive

Do people really still believe this?

snpthecat said:
Anyways hope y'all ready for the next wave of changes occurring next week

Whats happening next?

This is one of the worst things that have ever happened to this site

busahou said:
Do people really still believe this?

it's literally true. e6 is no more a porn website than YouTube is a music website, just because a lot of people use the site for one thing does not make that the only thing the site is.

I wish they fixed the search bar missing on mobile in the favourites menu. :(

netchicken said:
I wish they fixed the search bar missing on mobile in the favourites menu. :(

It's fixed in the next version.
You can see it on e926.

I never use mobile anything if I can help it and this is no exception so no comment on that. Desktop is mostly minimal changes for me, slightly more annoying to navigate to certain pages now. Neutral. Edit: Would also like the red notification to go away for "Forum" link unless I'm subbed or something to a thread.

A little less noisy, a little more unified. I like it (the desktop version; haven't looked at mobile)

busahou said:
Do people really still believe this?

People are engaging in confused pseudo-argumentation on the basis of not defining their terms.

No, E621 is not constituted with the stated intent to specifically archive furry porn.
Yes, E621 is constituted with the stated intent to archive furry art in general.
Yes, E621 is in practice mostly used as a porn site.
Saying unconditionally 'it's not a porn site' is clearly false on pragmatic grounds.
Saying unconditionally 'it is a porn site' is also false -- staff make no particular effort to favor porn or disfavor non-porn, so they do appear to more or less follow the stated intent.

Whether it "is" a porn site is just a descriptive question of how you are defining the predicate "is a porn site"; there simply isn't an over-arching 'correct definition'.

TLDR: widespread misleading use of the word 'is', results in no real disagreements, only nonsense "disagreements"; nominalism FTW.

I might as well toss my metaphorical hat into this discussion.

Overall, it spooked me the first time I saw it. I saw the change occur after I had finished both cleaning my favorites folder out and adding new images in. Changing pages saw the Account button moved to the right and did a double-take. After a few hours to let it sink in, I'll go against the grain of the general consensus and say it's not bad and tentatively say I am curious about some of the changes coming as well. As long as my keystroke entries are not rearranged as Chrome likes to do, I'll watch and listen.

dba_afish said:
it feels like we just did a full site redesign a few years ago, though. was NG really that long ago that we need to do an NG+ or something?

Yeah I remember other UI changes, and I know the profile changed recently but that was definitely much less noticeable then this one is. No one really batted an eye on other changes.

This one though, the front page of the site just looks ugly now compared to how it was, probably the only reason I noticed the change this time right away. This one truly feels like one of those jobs that gets done to make it look like someone is working on something to justify their jobs existence.

cinder said:
It's fixed in the next version.
You can see it on e926.

Very nice! Thanks!

The new UI feels pretty similar to the old one, but the login button being moved to the right will definitely take some getting used to

dba_afish said:
was that even something we allowed _before_ the last 2-3 years? because I feel like I remember peeps getting permed for talking about how they want to fuck a dog in real life (or that they already had) and-- the other thing _ech for pretty much as long as I've been on the site.

I guess you could use Clawdragon's status as a barometer? At least for perception of acceptability of such matters

busahou said:
Do people really still believe this?

Eh, e6 is like a porn site in the same way furries are a community of sexual deviants

Where do I access the "similar images feature" from the new layout?
I feel like a previous section which had a bunch of guides etc is missing too

disposableyeens said:
Where do I access the "similar images feature" from the new layout?
I feel like a previous section which had a bunch of guides etc is missing too

Go to more, then similar image search
Under a post there is also visually similar on e6
(also i'm not sure the update affected these?)

If you're talking about the help page as well, there in the nav bar (so is more) at the very bottom (that'll be rectified soon)

I like it, looks nice. Good work y'all :)

Considering the site broke the tampermonkey RE621 script (The script works now after disabling, refreshing, enabling, and refreshing again), I'm not a fan. Also I don't generally use E6 on mobile, and when I did, I had no problem with it. I hope there is a way to revert based on a comment from earlier.

Also some warning would have been nice instead of rawdogging your users with it. It seems communication is still a work in progress, huh?

Okay, now that I'm on desktop- my only complaint is that the forum tab always has a red dot next to it. I assume this is to signal unread threads, but I think this would be better if it only appeared for new unreads on subscribed threads. If this IS how it's used (and you're automatically subbed to your own threads/threads you commented on) then there should be a way to see what subbed thread you're getting a notification for.

All I want is the option to move the 3 lines and profile to the left instead of the right, kinda hard to reach over there bc I scroll with my left hand

Thanks I hate it.

tarrgon said:
Funny joke, any UI change to people using the site for 15 years is gonna generate plenty of complaints just because change is evil when it comes to users and UI, despite how old and not intuitive the UI is.

Like when Reddit did it's redesign into a more modern UI, but they have to serve the old one to a dwindling user base of people that were too annoyed to work with the change (though at one point the concern for it being slower on older hardware was actually a potential issue, but holding back for 20 year old hardware is really stupid). It's honestly one of the most annoying things to see as a dev because it makes it impossible to actually make change that will benefit new users, and not anger existing users.

I, for one, am completely on board with a full redesign of the site from the ground up, which I'm aware is very unlikely to ever happen, but small modernizations are completely fine with me to at least bring it into this decade.

Absolutely love this perspective. Finally, someone whose opinion I can stand behind as a developer. People don't like change, which is valid, but that doesn't mean all change is bad. We saw the same thing when discord changed their mobile app. A very small but loud percentage of the community threw a for over it. Only lasted a few months when they accepted that it actually wasn't as bad as they thought once they actually tried it.

For those of you saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" come work in software for a while. Something can "work" but be absolutely terrible. When it comes to tech, things are constantly being changed. If you can't deal with that, well there's not much you can do.

Just because you thought there was nothing wrong with something doesn't make it true. And for those of you complaining about how little you like it: That's rather entitled of you. Cinder is clearly putting a lot of effort into this, and is still trying to take input from the community to improve it. If you can't respect the effort, why don't you try to go ahead and revert it yourself? There's a custom CSS box, so knock yourself out. And as for adding an option to revert it to the old layout? What happens when the UI is inevitably updated again? That makes everything so much more complicated. It's not feasible.

So just take a breathe and accept that there was a change, and it's not the end of the world. It happens. And if you decide not to use the site anymore because of it? Well that's up to you, but most people are going to continue supporting this site, and more will come to replace you.

Change. Happens.

Also, applause to the devs (is it just Cinder? I don't know enough) it's looking great. And I'm very glad you decided to take mobile users into account.

I use the site on both mobile and desktop, honestly I'm totally fine with the change on mobile, maybe not so much for desktop. I'm sure I'll get used to it so it's not a big deal for me personally.

snpthecat said:
You know full well that error's from before the change, you have 220k favourites

Why does everyone keep assuming I know everything?

xerokyzer said:
Why does everyone keep assuming I know everything?

You've had a profile crashing number of favourites for several years now, one would assume you've encountered it before

Yeah that needs to be fixed and it seems that the bandaid the last dev put in place was just to cap favs at 80k and later on prevent addition of more favs above that mark

mta_2_train said:
I liked it, it would be cool if there was a option for the classic theme

I agree, I like the old home page a lot more.

The bar buttons are way too squeezed into the top now. The design feels very claustrophobic and is sadly less ergonomic for desktop than before.
The squeezed in buttons greatly increase the risk of miss clicking something on the browser which not intuitive at all, especially if you wanna quickly navigate in a comfortable manner.
It makes the brain switch from "smooth sailing"-mode to "stressfully walking on eggshells"-mode just by looking at it which is not what you want from a UI.

I think having the buttons a tad lower and more distinctly pronounced like before was not only much better ergonomically but also much more visually coherent, especially for a desktop experience.
The previous version of re621 was essentially THE overall perfect desktop browsing experience for the site.
Even after updating to the newest version of re621 it remains an overall downgrade because of the aforementioned reasons.
I literally have a tab open right now with the old version and another one with the new version because I didn't fully refresh one
The difference is actually quite significant and it has sadly not changed for the better.
I hope you can address that in some way. It would be a subtle but very meaningful change

This new UI FUCKING SUUUUUCKS. Please switch back to the old one and never pull this shit on us again. God it’s a fucking eyesore. Listen to us, and GET RID OF THIS ABSOLUTE FUCKING GARBAGE

egg3k said:
*Snip

I don't really understand this take that "Change happens". There is no Narrative that every time change happens people complain if the change is good. Look at Palworld updates, everyone loves them and praises them, Stardew, Everyone loves the changes and praises the devs. The one time Palworld pushed an update people didn't like, people told them and the devs fixed the issues as a response and thanked people for still playing and telling them what they like/don't. This made thousands more people play.

Change doesn't need to happen if people don't like it. And a lot of valid criticism and feedback has already been offered for this change.

Ignoring people just leads to people leaving and having worse opinions who then share that opinion with others. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Its always better to be the better person and understand other people exist.

I really wish the "modernizing old websites" meme would die out already. Not everything needs to be "sleek" or "clean" and homogenized, certainly not an old site like this where most users have become used to the design, have very few complaints outside of mobile usage, and many have external plugins that have now become broken. Changing the design for mobile is understandable, but there was no reason to change the desktop layout. Particularly without warning, without testing, and without a way to revert it back to the old design.

New UI and yet I still can't preview tags by hovering over the thumbnails most of time. Only on user avatars will it give me any info when I hover my cursor over the picture. Anyone else having this issue as well? Was hoping the new update would've fixed this.

k4rn4ge911 said:
New UI and yet I still can't preview tags by hovering over the thumbnails most of time. Only on user avatars will it give me any info when I hover my cursor over the picture. Anyone else having this issue as well? Was hoping the new update would've fixed this.

Re621 has a hover zoom feature that shows tags: https://re621.app/

casmin7~ said:
I don't really understand this take that "Change happens". There is no Narrative that every time change happens people complain if the change is good. Look at Palworld updates, everyone loves them and praises them, Stardew, Everyone loves the changes and praises the devs. The one time Palworld pushed an update people didn't like, people told them and the devs fixed the issues as a response and thanked people for still playing and telling them what they like/don't. This made thousands more people play.

Change doesn't need to happen if people don't like it. And a lot of valid criticism and feedback has already been offered for this change.

Ignoring people just leads to people leaving and having worse opinions who then share that opinion with others. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Its always better to be the better person and understand other people exist.

people complain about good changes literally all the time. what are you talking about? just because you weren't in the places where people complained dosn't mean it didn't happen.

people are freaking out about the dang nav menu getting a pretty well-needed redesign like the fucking sky's falling, though.

also, no one's ignoring the complaints. there were several problems that have been remedied already.

The navigation on mobile should be more intuitive now, particularly for new users. The big "Profile" button on mobile is nice. The home page (the one with the mascot) lost all "flavor" and now just looks generic and lame. The location of the "Account" button on desktop will take getting to used to. The location of DMs and logging out feel kinda hidden now, but maybe I'll get used to it (not that I ever log out). The red dot next to Forum indicates... a new comment, I guess? Or new threads? There's ALWAYS going to be new comments and threads; that's completely and utterly pointless...

crocogator said:

Or new threads? There's ALWAYS going to be new comments and threads; that's completely and utterly pointless...

The people disappointed when the italics were gone would disagree with you

tarrgon said:
Funny joke, any UI change to people using the site for 15 years is gonna generate plenty of complaints just because change is evil when it comes to users and UI, despite how old and not intuitive the UI is.

Oh god don't make me feel like I'm becoming a senior please, that's the last thing that I need as a... decade plus user.

Man, what will it say about me in heaven when the website I was a member of the longest was a yiff site?

egg3k said:
People don't like change, which is valid, but that doesn't mean all change is bad.

Nor does it mean all change is good. As a developer myself, I know that people can get upset over change, but I'm very careful in the changes I make that can affect the user experience. I first make sure there's a clear benefit over the known and potential drawbacks before even thinking about changing something, and when I decide to make the change, I put out feelers to my users to see how they think about it before doing it (more than just figuring out if I should make the change, it helps me know how to make the change to be as smooth as possible too). And importantly, even after I do it, when people bring up the change, I explain why I made it and the benefits over what it used to be like. And I keep open the possibility that I may need to change it back if there's enough reasonable counterpoints or dissatisfaction (which has happened for me a few times). Communication is the main factor; I try to make my intent known before affected users get something changed on them, and even after the change is made, I'm open to discuss why I made it and consider any arguments about why it was better previously. I'm not perfect, no matter how much I try to be careful with my changes, there can be unexpected issues other people see that I didn't consider. Additionally, even more than the work for the change itself, I try much harder to ensure there's a practical, easy option to change it back when possible for users that really prefer the older way. And even if I can't provide an option people want, I'm open to help guide others in making the option.

egg3k said:
We saw the same thing when discord changed their mobile app. A very small but loud percentage of the community threw a for over it. Only lasted a few months when they accepted that it actually wasn't as bad as they thought once they actually tried it.

That's a bad way to look at it. Especially after months of complaints, people going silent doesn't mean they finally accept it as better or "not as bad as they thought", it just means they got tired of their complaints falling on deaf ears (or getting pushback from users that don't see the problem). Eventually complaining gets to a point where continually bringing it up the problem is more disruptive than helpful, more moderation gets enforced on the topic, so complaints will naturally go away with time. But that doesn't mean people who voiced their dissatisfaction are then on board with the changes.

egg3k said:
For those of you saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" come work in software for a while. Something can "work" but be absolutely terrible. When it comes to tech, things are constantly being changed.

Trust me, I know that something can "work" but be absolutely horrid under the hood, and fixing the underlying problems it causes can impact the experience of my users. But that doesn't mean you have to blindside your users with significant changes and then ignore reasonable complaints. If fixing something breaks previously useful functionality, I try to work on restoring said functionality (e6ng went through a lengthy period of this). Communication is very helpful. Yes, things are constantly changing in tech. Sometimes it's good and sometimes its not. Change for the sake of change is rarely good, it's a sign of people looking to solve problems that don't exist and ignore problems that do. If a change is beneficial, it should be easy to explain, even if the less technical-minded people don't understand; people who can understand will (generally speaking, of course), and the more people that understand and accept the reasoning, the more others will be able to accept the changes as beneficial even if they don't understand. See again, e6ng; to people who don't understand web development, as far as they saw the site broke and it took a long time to get back features that existed for years. But it was communicated what the problems were and the benefits of the change, and work was done to restore what broke, so today even people that don't understand what the problems were do understand the change was overall beneficial, and we get to see the fruits of that work. But being silent and not explaining why seemingly arbitrary or bad changes are made, not explaining the benefits and not considering restoring useful functionality that was lost as a result of the change, makes it come across more as change made for the sake of change.

watsit said:
But that doesn't mean you have to blindside your users with significant changes and then ignore reasonable complaints.

You keep saying that, and it's still not true.
All changes get deployed to e926 a week ahead of time, with changelogs posted to discord, a discussion thread there, and a ping to users who opted into receiving notifications about site updates.
Just because you refuse to participate in it does not mean that you get to proclaim that you've been blindsighted.

You keep waxing philosophical about how changes are only good if the changes are good. Presumably, you believe yourself to be the arbiter of what changes are good.
I have already explained why the changes needed to be made – but you ignored that and asserted like five different times that I have not.
I have communicated, responded to feedback, and issued a patch today that corrected some of the issues – but you asserted that I have been quiet.

Needless to say, I consider that kind of behavior to be quite rude.

cinder said:
You keep saying that, and it's still not true.
All changes get deployed to e926 a week ahead of time, with changelogs posted to discord, a discussion thread there, and a ping to users who opted into receiving notifications about site updates.
Just because you refuse to participate in it does not mean that you get to proclaim that you've been blindsighted.

I mean, I feel like there's several reasonable reasons people wouldn't want to join a Discord server for a NSFW website. especially on mobile, where it's kind of difficult/impossible to log in to Discord from two accounts at once so you'd need to do it on your main.

I liked how e621 felt like similar in aesthetic to 4chan or AO3 or whatever where there isn't all the sleekness. But I guess it's fine either way.

I guess an "objective" reason I dislike these changes is that otherwise uniform things become un-uniform. Like, links are links no matter where, but if it's a button, every site is going to have their own choice of button.

But I'm a contrarian and it seems popular to hate on change, so I'm trying to convince myself it's basically fine and probably practically better for new users and even existing users, which it basically is.

I'm a big fan of it!

Aboslutely love the new look! Great job folks!

Also always some love for maintained Ruby on Rails projects!