The bulk update request #9203 is pending approval.

remove alias ai-art (0) -> ai_generated (0)

Reason: Part 2:

alias ai-art -> invalid_tag
alias ai_generated -> invalid_tag

Now that there are tags for the more specific things like things like AI generated reference, AI generated background, and AI generated audio, this tag serves no practical purpose whatsoever, and its entire existence makes janitorial duty harder, not easier.

We simply do not want to have fully AI-generated uploads on this site, so assuming that absolutely every addition of this tag is correct, every possible application will be deleted without fail. In practice, people just use it as a way to nominate a post for deletion, but the only thing that actually matters is whether or not the posts are actually flagged or not. The tools already exist for janitors to find flagged posts, tagging ai_generated willy-nilly does not actually help.

post #4908119 was incorrectly tagged as ai generated media (subject) by user JoelSFM. The post does not actually discuss the subject of generative media, they simply added the tag because they spelled ai generated wrong.
JoelSFM's tag edit was made on 7/30. Later on 8/25, the post was formally reported by a separate user. JoelSFM decided that the post was sketchy but did not actually do anything to bring the post to a janitor's attention.

At the time of this BUR, Shirokoma is responsible for a few different uploads that are targets of AI accusations. In the interest of long-term archival, those posts are:

• post #5013327 was tagged as ai_generated by WitchBun but not flagged by them, then later flagged by a separate user.
• post #5015911 was tagged as ai_generated by WitchBun but not flagged by them, then untagged by "Fuck Off With You", and has not been flagged even once.
• post #5019419 was tagged as ai_generated by WitchBun but not flagged by them, then later flagged by a separate user.

Interestingly, the mere fact that one of these posts had ai generated removed with no further action means that, so long as users think that tagging is a good way to report these posts, any random joe can just remove the tag and render their contribution completely meaningless. And this is not an unusual practice, as revealed by the post history for all instances of -ai_generated.
I've used the recent removals to build this search query:id:5015911,5005883,4982342,4942971,4880495,4928682,4926714,4925260,4924825,4862959,4852171,4834193,4811282,4804817,4804814,4790451,3555899,3791662,3923587,3923591,3972883,3939966,3931478,3999848,4005058,3997605,4005054,3997604,4005038,4005080,4005956,4005078,4005933,4005062,4005090,4007709,4024130,4005992,4019689,4005973,4015753,4035551,4093296,4030637,4083832,4074132,4027847,4121127,4113168,4107939,4117780,4096724,4115811,4143978,4151878,4210070,4206562,4165897,4312915,4289550,4268925,4316544,4317131,4323009,4372374,4370992,4369859,4397706,4407275,4408360,4433500,4425876 status:any

The vast majority of the affected posts are perfectly innocuous. One was deleted for being a photo, nine others were deleted for actually being generations, and 56 posts were all perfectly legitimate pieces from the same artist. Yet, nine separate attempts were made to remove ai_generated from posts that are now deleted.

I personally think it is completely ridiculous that anybody would rely on the ai_generated tag as a report method considering it can be removed just as easily as it can be added.

tl;dr: nobody should ever tag this because any random can remove it and it doesn't help janitors, just flag the damn posts.

Currently, the software is set up to tag ai_generated automatically on certain posts, but perhaps the site should just auto-flag those posts instead.

This tag is used within the site and can't just be tossed out, this requires internal changes
I'm against auto flagging for various reasons, among which would be people complaining that flags are being made in their name
While that isn't a huge issue (and we already have issues like that), I'd rather it didn't happen at all

It could easily be locked on during uploading to prevent random users from removing it

donovan_dmc said:
This tag is used within the site and can't just be tossed out, this requires internal changes
I'm against auto flagging for various reasons, among which would be people complaining that flags are being made in their name
While that isn't a huge issue (and we already have issues like that), I'd rather it didn't happen at all

It could easily be locked on during uploading to prevent random users from removing it

You know what else random users can't remove? Flags. And auto flags don't have to be made in the uploader's name anyway, because there's already an obvious candidate for any actions automated by the server.
There are no advantages whatsoever to letting randoms tag this on posts they don't like, especially in a form where another random can just remove the tag whenever they want. It does not help with my janitorial duty.
A flag forces somebody to eventually address the post. A removable tag does no such thing.

lafcadio said:
You know what else random users can't remove? Flags.

Part of the problem with relying solely on flags is they often don't have a way to indicate the actual reason for being flagged. How would you flag art for being AI generated? "Does not meet the uploading guidelines"? That also applies to low quality art, human-only art, image quality, etc, So if someone suspects an image is AI generated, but also has only human-like characters and some image quality problems, how do we specify what the issue is? Say we flag it for not meeting the uploading guidelines, a Janitor comes along to look and assumes the image was flagged for... seeming to be human-only, but there's enough details to call them humanoid, thus removes the flag and keeps the post. The same kind of goes for other flags, where it may not be obvious the reason for the flag. If there isn't a related tag the moderator can look at, the only way to point out the problem is to make a comment, which would out you as the person who flagged it and potentially open yourself up to harassment by others that vehemently disagree with removing the post. There's a reason the user who flagged the post isn't visible to other users, which is undermined if you're forced to make a comment to provide relevant extra information.

Having a text field you can fill out for extra information about the flag would go a long way to help convey extra necessary information to whichever moderator(s) check the flag (the old site had the ability to add a note to the reason, but only for one of the flag options), which would reduce the need for tags like that.

watsit said:
Part of the problem with relying solely on flags is they often don't have a way to indicate the actual reason for being flagged.

Yeah that's why people have been using the reports instead, putting additional burden on the admins

watsit said:
(the old site had the ability to add a note to the reason, but only for one of the flag options)

That flag reason was removed due to constant misuse, more often than not artists/character owners should have been making takedowns instead