Topic: [Feature] Make it more obvious when AIBURs are rejected en masse

Posted under Site Bug Reports & Feature Requests

Requested feature overview description.

Provide some way to indicate to users that an alias, implication, or BUR was rejected as part of a mass rejection, and not for some other reason.

Why would it be useful?

It would help users understand if an AIBUR was rejected "on the merits", and therefore probably shouldn't be re-proposed as is, or if it was rejected as part of a mass rejection, and therefore might be worth bringing up again for further discussion.

There are occasional "why was this rejected?" forum threads asking why a particular request was rejected. I think these have become slightly more common since the January 2024 mass rejection.

The mechanism is probably that some user wants to propose a similar AIBUR, does a search, and finds a forum thread about it. If the rejection wasn't due to a mass rejection, there are usually enough "this is a bad idea" or "alias it to this other tag instead" posts in that thread to help the user understand it. But if there was little to no discussion, and then a rejection, the user is confused as to why.

Hopefully, the AIBUR queue won't get so long that mass rejections are needed again. But if it does, this might help prevent user confusion.

Implementation
I can think of at least a couple of ways to do this. One would probably involve a code change, and the other wouldn't.

For both ways, it's probably a good idea to write (and then lock) a wiki page that explains the mass rejection, so users can be referred to that page.

Code change:
Add a "reason" field to AIBUR approvals and rejections, similar to the "reason" field that takedowns have. For mass rejections, this gets set to something like "March 2038 mass rejection - see wiki" (with link to wiki page). This should normally be visible to all users, not just admins.

When doing a mass rejection, I don't know if the admins can do "select all" and reject dozens of requests with one click, or if they use some kind of browser script to automate it, or if they do them one at a time. If there's a "select all" or a browser script, there should be a way for the "reason" to persist, so they don't have to paste it into every single rejection.

No code change:
When a mass rejection is deemed necessary, create a new user named something like "MassRejectionMarch2038". Give this user the required privileges to reject AIBURs. Put a short explanation on that user's profile page, with a link to the wiki page. Then, one of the admins logs in as that new user and does the mass rejection. Afterwards, maybe change that user's status to a normal user, or "former staff", or similar.

That way, users will see something like The tag implication some_tag -> other_tag (forum #524288) has been rejected by @MassRejectionMarch2038 in the forum thread, which will hopefully give them a clue about the rejection reason.

What part(s) of the site page(s) are affected?

For the code-change version, whatever page the admins use to approve or reject AIBURs would need a new input box for "reason".

The pages for each individual AIBUR would need to display this reason (the /tag_alias/nnn, tag_implications/nnn, and /bulk_update_requests/nnn URLs) .

It would be good if the "reason" is also copied into the forum post that's generated when an admin rejects an AIBUR.

Just a minor note: I believe only aliases and implications will be hit by mass rejections, since only those two can influence other AIBURs whilst they're still pending

donovan_dmc said:
We announced it was happening well before it happened

...which is great for users that already had an account and regularly used the forums, or even users that already had an account and saw the site news update about it. It doesn't help users that don't pay attention to the forums, or new users.

(There were some site news updates for the spring/summer 2023 "one year at a time" rejections, but as far as I can tell, there weren't any for the January 2024 rejection.)

snpthecat said:
Just a minor note: I believe only aliases and implications will be hit by mass rejections, since only those two can influence other AIBURs whilst they're still pending

The mass rejections on 2024-01-08 only hit aliases and implications, true. There was a one-time downward blip to the BURs in late January 2024, and then a gradual decline during the last three weeks of March 2024, but that gradual decline was probably more of a "one or more admins concentrating on BURs for that period", rather than a mass rejection.

For a while, BURs were also limited by the fact that they didn't even exist until the new site software went into production in spring 2020. Now, though, they're the most popular type - roughly 1,700 BURs, 750 aliases, and 250 implications are pending right now.

Donovan DMC

Former Staff

kora_viridian said:
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As I said we don't have any more mass-rejections planned, so there's no point in trying to come up with some new system for mass-rejections
We lack the development time needed for any such system anyways, and a wiki page to point to is no different than just pointing at the related forum topic

kora_viridian said:
there weren't any for the January 2024 rejection.

There were quite a few things we wanted to make announcements for around that time that got overshadowed by the north carolina situation

We haven't done any mass-rejections for BURs

As of a few hours ago there were 763 pending aliases, 252 pending implications, and 1790 BURs (containing 4512 aliases, 8441 implications, and 2474 other instructions)

kora_viridian said:

The mass rejections on 2024-01-08 only hit aliases and implications, true. There was a one-time downward blip to the BURs in late January 2024, and then a gradual decline during the last three weeks of March 2024, but that gradual decline was probably more of a "one or more admins concentrating on BURs for that period", rather than a mass rejection.

Yeah there definitely was quite the effort to deal with AIBURs then, and quite a number of low hanging fruit were resolved

For a while, BURs were also limited by the fact that they didn't even exist until the new site software went into production in spring 2020. Now, though, they're the most popular type - roughly 1,700 BURs, 750 aliases, and 250 implications are pending right now.

BURs did have an advantage due the alias and implication request purge

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