There are two asphyxiation tags I need to ask about: see, awhile ago I got a message telling me to use "erotic asphyxiation" instead of "breath play" or I would get in trouble but after using this tag all this time, I'm starting to wonder if there even is a difference between these two tags? if there is, what is it? because erotic asphyxiation & breath play kind of sound like their the same thing.

I don't want to start an alias or implication request until this is sorted out.

waller said:
I don't want to start an alias or implication request until this is sorted out.

Then I'll do it for you.

The bulk update request #6606 is pending approval.

create implication erotic_asphyxiation (1600) -> breath_play (1864)
create implication autoerotic_asphyxiation (87) -> breath_play (1864)

Reason: Literally identical in usage and meaning, see their respective wiki descriptions.

Quote from the breath_play wiki: Known less commonly as erotic asphyxiation.

I'm willing to swap the alias' direction, but I opted for less popular tag vs more popular tag.

wolfmanfur said:
Then I'll do it for you.

Its not that I wouldn't start one, Its more I don't want to get another message I was using the wrong tag and is my account would be in danger if I keep using breath play instead of erotic asphyxiation

wolfmanfur said:
The bulk update request #6606 is pending approval.

create implication erotic_asphyxiation (1600) -> breath_play (1864)
create implication autoerotic_asphyxiation (87) -> breath_play (1864)

Reason: Literally identical in usage and meaning, see their respective wiki descriptions.

Quote from the breath_play wiki: Known less commonly as erotic asphyxiation.

I'm willing to swap the alias' direction, but I opted for less popular tag vs more popular tag.

BTW, see this thread, started 6yrs ago, revived 8mo ago, and rejected a month ago.

waller said:
Its not that I wouldn't start one, Its more I don't want to get another message I was using the wrong tag and is my account would be in danger if I keep using breath play instead of erotic asphyxiation

Was the message from a mod or something though? Just curious.

catskill said:
See this thread, started 6yrs ago, revived 8mo ago, and rejected a month ago.

It was rejected because of the purge of old requests, not because it wasn't a potentially sound suggestion. Remaking the request would've been the right thing to do regardless.

watsit said:
It was rejected because of the purge of old requests, not because it wasn't a potentially sound suggestion. Remaking the request would've been the right thing to do regardless.

I was just pointing it out for context. ^^

catskill said:
See this thread, started 6yrs ago, revived 8mo ago, and rejected a month ago.
Always do some research first!

Was the message from a mod or something though? Just curious.

I don't have that message anymore (at least I don't think I do, Is place where messages are stored?) I do remember something about my account being "neutral" at the time

waller said:
I don't have that message anymore (at least I don't think I do, Is place where messages are stored?) I do remember something about my account being "neutral" at the time

Hm, just sounds strange. I'm probably not supposed to ask those kinds of questions though. lol >>'

abadbird had a really good point in the older thread:

abadbird said:
I would rather see a lot of the "play" tags punted from the site for ambiguity and replaced with more specific tags. One person's idea of *play often does not align with another's. In this case, I feel there's too much of a logical leap from the "play" in breath_play to bodily harm from non-consensual or "unintended" suffocation and death. One character's "play" shouldn't involve the harm, death, or imminent_death of another.

I think we should stick with the "play is consensual" part. Maybe reverse the alias?

catskill said:
Hm, just sounds strange. I'm probably not supposed to ask those kinds of questions though. lol >>'

Its no problem, questions like yours gives more context to how everything happened

waller said:
I don't have that message anymore (at least I don't think I do, Is place where messages are stored?) I do remember something about my account being "neutral" at the time

If it's a dmail: Go to Account then press My messages

dimoretpinel said:
abadbird had a really good point in the older thread:
I think we should stick with the "play is consensual" part. Maybe reverse the alias?

When has this ever been the case? Some of posts in petplay, food_play, size_play etc. are nc, and you can find nc in most *play tags. How the kink is applied is outside of the scope of these tags. The *play tags are simply category tags for the kink. Fetishised version of asphyxiation, in this case.

I'm not at all familiar with erotic asphyxiation, but judging by the wiki, the alias seems fine (and would reduce mistags: 'asphyxiation' is commonly misspelled.) Along with implication from autoerotic_asphyxiation to breath_play. Could also use some subtag for fetishized underwater asphyxiation, that looks common enough.

Would breath_play function better as a catch-all term/umbrella tag for both erotic_asphyxiation and autoerotic_asphyxiation (since we are keeping them separate)?
I feel that aliasing erotic_asphyxiation straight to breath_play would cause a lot of mistags when it comes to actual autoerotic_asphyxiation being involved.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Would breath_play function better as a catch-all term/umbrella tag for both erotic_asphyxiation and autoerotic_asphyxiation (since we are keeping them separate)?
I feel that aliasing erotic_asphyxiation straight to breath_play would cause a lot of mistags when it comes to actual autoerotic_asphyxiation being involved.

Example Tag Tree

• asphyxiation - general tag
• breath_play - fetishised tag
• erotic_asphyxiation - depriving others of oxygen for sexual gratification
• autoerotic_asphyxiation - depriving oneself of oxygen for sexual gratification

The suggested tag tree seems to be pretty good

thegreatwolfgang said:
Would breath_play function better as a catch-all term/umbrella tag for both erotic_asphyxiation and autoerotic_asphyxiation (since we are keeping them separate)?
I feel that aliasing erotic_asphyxiation straight to breath_play would cause a lot of mistags when it comes to actual autoerotic_asphyxiation being involved.

Example Tag Tree

• asphyxiation - general tag
• breath_play - fetishised tag
• erotic_asphyxiation - depriving others of oxygen for sexual gratification
• autoerotic_asphyxiation - depriving oneself of oxygen for sexual gratification

Seems fair, so I updated the bur. The breath_play tag has to follow the wiki definition and tagging of foot_play to work properly with that setup. Somebody will need to adjust its wiki description when the bur passes.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Would breath_play function better as a catch-all term/umbrella tag for both erotic_asphyxiation and autoerotic_asphyxiation (since we are keeping them separate)?
I feel that aliasing erotic_asphyxiation straight to breath_play would cause a lot of mistags when it comes to actual autoerotic_asphyxiation being involved.

Example Tag Tree

• asphyxiation - general tag
• breath_play - fetishised tag
• erotic_asphyxiation - depriving others of oxygen for sexual gratification
• autoerotic_asphyxiation - depriving oneself of oxygen for sexual gratification

The only question I have is where art like this [https://e621.net/posts/4251104] go? there is only one character in this artwork, and he didn't chose to hang himself

waller said:
The only question I have is where art like this [https://e621.net/posts/4251104] go? there is only one character in this artwork, and he didn't chose to hang himself

For the sake of TWYS, I'd consider this to be autoerotic_asphyxiation since no other party is visibly involved/assisting.
I also don't think autoerotic_asphyxiation requires it to be voluntary, as long as the target character is placed within a situation alone where they take pleasure in their own asphyxiation.
It only becomes erotic_asphyxiation when a second party is visibly involved.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Would breath_play function better as a catch-all term/umbrella tag for both erotic_asphyxiation and autoerotic_asphyxiation (since we are keeping them separate)?

Should they be kept separate? It's not always (if not is rarely) apparent when it's self-induced or not, and can be confusing otherwise, for solo characters. You suggest post #4251104 be autoerotic_asphyxiation because no other party is visible, but how many people would consider a character being hanged with their arms apparently bound behind their back on a gallows platform to have been self-induced? When it comes to asphyxiation, it often involves scenarios that would be difficult to impossible to self-induce, but can have no other character visible to determine how they got in that position.

At best, I could see autoerotic_asphyxiation imply erotic_asphyxiation to better deal with the fact that a lot of the time it's easy to look at as not self-induced despite being a solo character, with autoerotic_asphyxiation being solely for cases where you can tell for certain it was self-induced (without conjecture or assumption), then have breath_play aliased to erotic_asphyxiation.

thegreatwolfgang said:

• erotic_asphyxiation - depriving others of oxygen for sexual gratification
• autoerotic_asphyxiation - depriving oneself of oxygen for sexual gratification

Is also confusing. Wouldn't erotic_asphyxiation also apply for a character being deprived of oxygen by another, for their own sexual gratification? That is, the asphyxiated character getting off to being choked while the asphyxiator could care less? It wouldn't be autoerotic since they're not depriving themself of oxygen, but they're getting sexual gratification regardless. When combined with the fact that solo characters being asphyxiated can be difficult to impossible to separate it being self-induced or not, the distinction isn't that clear and would just come down to the tagger's opinion.

watsit said:
Should they be kept separate? It's not always apparent when it's self-induced or not, and can be confusing otherwise for solo characters. You suggest post #4251104 be autoerotic_asphyxiation because no other party is visible, but how many people would consider a character being hanged with their arms apparently bound behind their back on a gallows platform to have been self-induced? When it comes to asphyxiation, it often involves scenarios that would be difficult to impossible to self-induce, but can have no other character visible to determine how they got in that position.

At best, I could see autoerotic_asphyxiation imply erotic_asphyxiation to better deal with the fact that a lot of the time it's easy to look at it as not self-induced despite being a solo character, with autoerotic_asphyxiation being solely for cases where you can tell for certain it was self-induced, then have breath_play aliased to erotic_asphyxiation.

Is also confusing. Wouldn't erotic_asphyxiation also apply for a character being deprived of oxygen by another, for their own sexual gratification? That is, the asphyxiated character getting off to being choked while the asphyxiator could care less? It wouldn't be autoerotic since they're not depriving themself of oxygen, but they're getting sexual gratification regardless. When combined with the fact that solo characters being asphyxiated can be difficult to impossible to separate it being self-induced or not, the distinction isn't that clear and would just come down to the tagger's opinion.

I have no strong opinions on this since I don't use it that often. That one is a question for the taggers to decide whether it should be kept separate like all the other auto* tags or be aliased together.
What is definitely certain though, if both tags are kept, is for a rewrite of the wikis to be more concise on their tagging criteria and a tagging project to cleanup any mistags between the two.