Topic: Implications of the "mostly_nude" tag

The bulk update request #5681 is pending approval.

create implication mostly_nude_ambiguous (155) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_andromorph (153) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_anthro (10645) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_female (6789) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_feral (8) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_gynomorph (2134) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_herm (152) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_human (433) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_humanoid (1595) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_intersex (2239) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_male (4671) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_maleherm (10) -> mostly_nude (146474)
create implication mostly_nude_taur (46) -> mostly_nude (146474)

Reason: In my tagging, I've noticed that some (if not all) of the [state of clothedness] (by) [character {gender}/{body type}] tags do not implicate the logical parent tags (ex. mostly_nude_female does not imply mostly_nude). Even if there are any preexisting implications, this should cover all bases by requesting ones for all variations at once.

Requesting seven bulk updates grouped by the parent tags, navigation for the topic posts of which below:

• topic #40835 — Implications of the "fully_clothed" tag
• topic #40836 — Implications of the "clothed" tag
• topic #40837 — Implications of the "partially_clothed" tag
• topic #40840 — Remaining implications of the "topless" tag
• topic #40840 — Remaining implications of the "bottomless" tag
• topic #40838 — Implications of the "mostly_nude" tag ◀ (You are here)
• topic #40839 — Implications of the "nude" tag

Hi, I recently made the same BUR for mostly nude at topic #43902
I added the implications for sex/forms and removed any implications you already added, but could you edit the intersex implications to the following? This way the intersex tags implicate their direct parent first.

implicate mostly_nude_andromorph -> mostly_nude_intersex
implicate mostly_nude_gynomorph -> mostly_nude_intersex
implicate mostly_nude_herm -> mostly_nude_intersex
implicate mostly_nude_maleherm -> mostly_nude_intersex

The bulk update request #8215 is pending approval.

Reason: Doing it right.

Gender/Form implication navigation:
R - Slocheze's BUR pending
S - My BUR pending
C - No further steps necessary

Edit: The BTRs are topic #47337 topic #47338 topic #47339 topic #47340 topic #47341 topic #47342 topic #47344 topic #47345 topic #47346

Sorry to bump, but I don't think mostly_nude_feral should be aliased to feral since it implies some clothes which is not the default for ferals

zigaton said:
Sorry to bump, but I don't think mostly_nude_feral should be aliased to feral since it implies some clothes which is not the default for ferals

Ferals should never be tagged with levels of clothed or nude, since they do not wear clothes by default.
The only exception that can be used on ferals is clothed_feral.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Ferals should never be tagged with levels of clothed or nude, since they do not wear clothes by default.
The only exception that can be used on ferals is clothed_feral.

No, i'm pretty sure you can tag ferals with levels of clothed, just not levels of nude (mostly_nude/nude), since ferals are by default nude.

Though I can see the logic behind Zigaton's argument, mostly nude is neither exclusively nude or clothed

snpthecat said:
No, i'm pretty sure you can tag ferals with levels of clothed, just not levels of nude (mostly_nude/nude), since ferals are by default nude.

Who is tagging fully_clothed_feral, partially_clothed_feral, topless_feral, and bottomless_feral?
The latter two have already been aliased to feral and I feel the rest should be as well to keep things consistent.

mostly_nude is not nude, thus definitionally clothed. Like wearing socks only, it's a level of clothing, which would warrant tagging a feral with. If mostly_nude_anthro and the like are valid, there's no reason mostly_nude_feral shouldn't also be valid since they don't wear any clothed by default. Only nude, and tags that imply nude shouldn't be tagged for a feral. I've never heard that ferals shouldn't be tagged with levels of clothing, aside from nude since that's their default. mostly_nude and partially_clothed, and whatever other not-nude tags there are, aren't their default, so why wouldn't they be applicable?

thegreatwolfgang said:
Who is tagging fully_clothed_feral, partially_clothed_feral, topless_feral, and bottomless_feral?
The latter two have already been aliased to feral and I feel the rest should be as well to keep things consistent.

those are silly aliases and should be reversed.

once a feral character is wearing an article of clothing they should no longer be bound by the, like, "default-ness" of a lack of clothes being normal for them.

watsit said:
I've never heard that ferals shouldn't be tagged with levels of clothing, aside from nude since that's their default. mostly_nude and partially_clothed, and whatever other not-nude tags there are, aren't their default, so why wouldn't they be applicable?

I think this was only briefly discussed on topic #29983, with @spe affirming his stance on the matter on topic #40840 (albeit for topless and bottomless).

Regardless, no real consensus or serious discussion was made on this specific issue, except for what is currently approved and still voted on via these clothing-related BURs.

watsit said:
Only nude, and tags that imply nude shouldn't be tagged for a feral.

What about the *_only tags that imply nude?

Because despite me raising the issue over 4 years ago on topic #29983, people are still tagging collar_only (and in effect nude) on ferals to this day.

thegreatwolfgang said:
What about the *_only tags that imply nude?

I'm pretty sure the consensus is that *_only tags that imply nude shouldn't be tagged on ferals. I remember discussions about unimplying nude from those tags because of ferals getting tagged nude through it, where the response was that they shouldn't be tagged on ferals (which I have seen a few times, but don't have enough information to say how often it happens). But if we can't stop people from regularly tagging them, perhaps they should be unimplicated.