The bulk update request #5673 is pending approval.

create alias curly_mane (0) -> curled_mane (134)
create implication curled_mane (134) -> mane (49419)
create implication mane_over_eye (14) -> mane (49419)
create implication mane_over_eyes (21) -> mane (49419)

Reason: Manes aren't hair (edit: for e6 tagging purposes), so tags that imply hair (like curled_hair and hair_over_eyes) shouldn't be used. That means we need mane equivalents for these tags. I'll be working on populating these more later, but might as well submit the BUR now.

Regardless of if manes are or aren't hair, curled manes are manes and manes covering one or both eyes are manes. Blue_mane and the other color tags already imply mane.

cloudpie said:
Manes aren't hair

Depending on how you look at it, that's either debatable or straight up wrong.

Can you give some examples of these tags where the "mane" version is appropriate, but not the "hair" version?

vulpes_artifex said:
Depending on how you look at it, that's either debatable or straight up wrong.

Can you give some examples of these tags where the "mane" version is appropriate, but not the "hair" version?

Horses and lions?
Maybe I misunderstood the purpose of the mane tag, I thought it was for horses/lions/hyenas/etc that have... manes. Manes being long fur/hair growing on the top of the head and down the neck. Mane doesn't imply hair

cloudpie said:
Horses and lions?
Maybe I misunderstood the purpose of the mane tag, I thought it was for horses/lions/hyenas/etc that have... manes. Manes being long fur/hair growing on the top of the head and down the neck. Mane doesn't imply hair

I think it arguably should. Can anyone give an example of an image that should be tagged mane but not hair?

my life was a lie

vulpes_artifex said:
I think it arguably should. Can anyone give an example of an image that should be tagged mane but not hair?

Sure, that might work.
Since it doesn't imply hair right now, I was under the impression that hair was for human-like head hair only and mane was for horse/lion/etc.-like hair that goes down the neck, and that the two shouldn't be tagged together. I could be wrong though?
But as it currently stands, since mane DOESN'T imply hair right now, I believe these tags are currently valid. We already have all the colored mane tags implying mane, after all.

Edit: I'm talking about for e621 tagging purposes. I know manes are physically made out of hair lol

animalitodelbosque said:
my life was a lie

By definition manes are hair, so your life is intact.

However, by definition fur is also hair, but fur doesn't imply hair because anyone looking for hair on this site means strands of hair on the head, not fur. So it really just depends on how e6 wants to separate them for tagging and searching purposes, rather by the definitions of what they actually are.

The way I see it, manes are what hair + beard are to humans.

definitelynotafurry4 said:
By definition manes are hair, so your life is intact.

However, by definition fur is also hair, but fur doesn't imply hair because anyone looking for hair on this site means strands of hair on the head, not fur. So it really just depends on how e6 wants to separate them for tagging and searching purposes, rather by the definitions of what they actually are.

***Hopes and dreams recovered***

So if I'm getting this right, the mane problem here is whether or not it should imply hair

snpthecat said:
So if I'm getting this right, the mane problem here is whether or not it should imply hair

Did you just make a pun?

benjiboyo said:
Did you just make a pun?

What if I did? It'll ease the tension during this hairy situation.

snpthecat said:
So if I'm getting this right, the mane problem here is whether or not it should imply hair

for searching purposes having mane count as hair seems like it'd be best.

personally, I've almost always tagged character's mane colors with <color>_hair. also, pseudo_mane and all of its subtags imply pseudo_hair and its equivalent subtags, so it'd seem fine to me.

sipothac said:
personally, I've almost always tagged character's mane colors with <color>_hair.

I wouldn't necessarily personally mind mane implying hair, but just fyi, <color>_mane are official tags that already imply mane so you might want to use those in addition or instead

Also I didn't expect the title to be so controversial lol. I only wrote that to defend why I made up two of the tags (mane_over_eye and mane_over_eyes) myself, instead of just tagging hair_over_eye. It actually isn't super relevant to the BUR, even if mane does later imply hair, these tags would still be valid and still imply mane just like blue_mane does since mane would be a subset of hair. If mane was made to imply hair then I guess curled_mane would imply both mane and curled_hair.

On Fluffy Pony posts, I have been using <color>_hair for their manes because it's always on their heads and tail. I guess so long as it's searchable and makes sense, it works. Functionally, it was being a type of hair. I've been using fur tags when it's hair over the majority of the body, like their back and legs and barrel, because it made sense to be implying overall hair color (thus 'fur', functionally). I am sooooooo glad we don't use 'coat' tags for this.

Hmm, it is a funny edge case: Human chest hair is not tagged as fur, but anthro is. There's also the secret 'stach tags. There are actually hairstyles for your chest hair and beard, because of course there is! :P

Chest hair pattern
The most infamous of these is a Secret 'stach', which is a mustache-style pattern from selectively shaving chest hairs. Better definition to come as people provide furry examples on site.
It would probably be best to apply markings tags for specific shapes, to avoid tag multiplication.

See also

• Pubic pattern For when this is applied even further down.

Not populated, but I could have sworn there was at least a few examples. :(

Excuse you!

Also, most uses of mane here on the site refer to MLP, and that's basically analogous to hair.

Edited the title and description...

rainbow_dash said:
Excuse you!

Also, most uses of mane here on the site refer to MLP, and that's basically analogous to hair.

Should mane be aliased to hair then? or imply it?

I don’t really think mane should imply hair. If it’s on the head, sure, add the tag manually. Some manes are only ever seen on a character’s back or tail, though, like hyena manes, or the ones you usually see on eastern_dragons.

scaliespe said:
I don’t really think mane should imply hair. If it’s on the head, sure, add the tag manually. Some manes are only ever seen on a character’s back or tail, though, like hyena manes, or the ones you usually see on eastern_dragons.

On a male lion, would it be a beard? Heh

scaliespe said:
I don’t really think mane should imply hair. If it’s on the head, sure, add the tag manually. Some manes are only ever seen on a character’s back or tail, though, like hyena manes, or the ones you usually see on eastern_dragons.

This is how I personally feel about it as well. There's also apparently a mane_hair tag that implies mane and hair.