Topic: Vivi Ornitier is really a human? Also Humanoid !=Human

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I noticed a purge of Vivi Ornitier content... I don't understand.

- He doesn't have human ears...or ears really.
- No sclera or mouth, just beady eyes.
- His skin is basically pitch black, not a realistic human skin color.

If by that argument he is still considered human I think that some tags like "heartless" and even "orko" (from he-man) will need to be given a look too.

a lack of ears isn't a nonhuman trait, it's treated as a lack of ears. et cetera for the rest, and "realistic human skin colors" would mean the Simpsons or what other randomly colored humans would also get a pass. at least with the Heartless you can clearly make out an inhuman body form or traits, even claws is sufficient, so it's really the lack of everything with a humanoid body shape that would cause Vivi to be treated as a human.

also, humans have a humanoid body shape, so a featureless "humanoid" will be treated like a human 100% of the time. humanoids are indeed not humans, but they must have a nonhuman feature to them in order to be considered/tagged humanoid.

notknow said:
I noticed a purge of Vivi Ornitier content... I don't understand.

- He doesn't have human ears...or ears really.
- No sclera or mouth, just beady eyes.
- His skin is basically pitch black, not a realistic human skin color.

If by that argument he is still considered human I think that some tags like "heartless" and even "orko" (from he-man) will need to be given a look too.

Skin color has never been an acceptable characteristic for determining relevance here. It says as much in the Uploading Guidelines, which has been that way for years. Otherwise we’d have to accept all humans with unnatural skin colors, like Simpsons characters, and we don’t want to do that. It’s not explicitly stated, but we treat eyes the same way. Doesn’t matter what color they are, or if they’re solid black. The lack of traits like a mouth or ears is not considered relevant either because, again, humans in artwork are often depicted without these things as well, for various reasons, usually just as an artistic design choice.

Remember that this is meant to be a furry art site – while we do typically allow anything that’s clearly nonhuman, regardless of whether or not it’s a furry, don’t be surprised if non-furry art doesn’t make it through approval. We’re much stricter about it, and we typically expect to see some clearly nonhuman body part that doesn’t look like an accessory in order to accept it.

If you find anything that you don’t think should’ve been approved under these guidelines, feel free to bring it to a staff member for review.

scaliespe said:
The lack of traits like a mouth or ears is not considered relevant either because, again, humans in artwork are often depicted without these things as well, for various reasons, usually just as an artistic design choice.

Mouth and eyes I agree but humans without ears I think it's pretty rare unless it's hidden by a headwear or hair, there are furry characters or version/skins of some that are fully covered and only by lore you know they are furry/humanoid (like Sajin Komamura from Bleach before his reveal).

But fine I give up, I just think it should be added in the guidelines about characters not having any type of ears won't be considered furry/humanoid.

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