Topic: [REJECTED] Making comments_disabled meta

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #5433 is active.

create alias comments_disabled (0) -> invalid_tag (0)

Reason: Or if you believe it would be better invalidated, because as a mod put it:

donovan_dmc said:
Having a tag like this blatantly defeats the purpose of things which have been put in place to hide as much information as possible about which posts have disabled comments. It's now an even more manual process, thanks to a pull request which was merged last week.

  • The flag has been removed from the api
  • The post events (the method I previously used to make a list) for enabling/disabling are now hidden for non-moderators

Every action points to this information being VERY intentionally hidden.

EDIT: The bulk update request #5433 (forum #374953) has been approved by @Earlopain.

Edit: Damn this got accepted fast

Updated

snpthecat said:
The bulk update request #5430 has been rejected.

change category comments_disabled (0) -> meta

Reason: Comments disabled has nothing to do with the image itself. The tag's wiki has been locked as well, so that means the staff have decided it's worth keeping.

EDIT: The bulk update request #5430 (forum #374939) has been rejected by @Earlopain.

Incredible that the admins are trying their darnest to destroy every tag that couldve been used to hide the very shitty content on here, first disabled_comments, then call_for_violence, now this...

faucet said:
This should be definitely be invalidated along with disabled_comments.

Ever since topic #38089 was made even further efforts have been made to hide the information with PR #507

You're not helping.

Earlopain

Former Staff

I have no idea what you're on about. Many posts with their comments disabled are perfectly normal images where we simply don't want to bother moderating anymore, like the martha post for example. Others have commonly blacklistable tags like politics.

I don't know about the other tag you mentioned but that has nothing to do with these BURs.

wolfmanfur said:
Incredible that the admins are trying their darnest to destroy every tag that couldve been used to hide the very shitty content on here, first disabled_comments, then call_for_violence, now this...

Eh, I would count disabled comments and comments disabled as the same tag, so that's only 2 so far.
And I don't see the use of disabled comments tag for the blacklist, since they're both few in number and can occur on any topic where people decide to wage war in the comments.

If you really want to be able to blacklist posts with their comments disabled, you could make it a public set, like you did with call for violence.

wolfmanfur said:
Incredible that the admins are trying their darnest to destroy every tag that couldve been used to hide the very shitty content on here, first disabled_comments, then call_for_violence, now this...

You're not helping.

I see you're still trying to drag along an argument that the tag is somehow useful for blacklisting.
The tag wouldn't even apply to the contents of posts, it applies to comments.
Don't want to see the comments? Great! Turn them off in your settings.

As Earlopain said, and as I've already said, most of the posts that have their comments disabled are perfectly normal and not offensive. You're better off blacklisting what it is you're actually trying to avoid, like polotics, nazi, etc. Comments being disabled isn't permanent either, so your blacklisting argument further falls apart when the comments finally get unlocked after they've settled down.

I'll reiterate yet another point:
If we wanted a way to search for posts with disabled comments, we would have one. Kira has specifically said that it was excluded from the posts export to stop needless drama. We also don't have a metatag for it. If we wanted it to be searchable, it would have a metatag. These need not be updated, they work on the actual attributes of the post. This has been further reinforced by, as faucet mentioned, the merging of e621ng/e621ng#507, which:

  • Hides the number of comments for non moderators (shows 0), both in the posts list, as well as in the json api
  • Removes the comment_disabled flag in api responses
  • Excludes the comment_disabled and comment_enabled post events from non-moderators, as this makes it very easy to find posts with disabled comments

Even further proving that this is VERY intentionally hidden.

donovan_dmc said:
I see you're still trying to drag along an argument that the tag is somehow useful for blacklisting.
The tag wouldn't even apply to the contents of posts, it applies to comments.
Don't want to see the comments? Great! Turn them off in your settings.

As Earlopain said, and as I've already said, most of the posts that have their comments disabled are perfectly normal and not offensive. You're better off blacklisting what it is you're actually trying to avoid, like polotics, nazi, etc. Comments being disabled isn't permanent either, so your blacklisting argument further falls apart when the comments finally get unlocked after they've settled down.

I'll reiterate yet another point:
If we wanted a way to search for posts with disabled comments, we would have one. Kira has specifically said that it was excluded from the posts export to stop needless drama. We also don't have a metatag for it. If we wanted it to be searchable, it would have a metatag. These need not be updated, they work on the actual attributes of the post. This has been further reinforced by, as faucet mentioned, the merging of e621ng/e621ng#507, which:

  • Hides the number of comments for non moderators (shows 0), both in the posts list, as well as in the json api
  • Removes the comment_disabled flag in api responses
  • Excludes the comment_disabled and comment_enabled post events from non-moderators, as this makes it very easy to find posts with disabled comments

Even further proving that this is VERY intentionally hidden.

Tl;Dr Twitter effect avoided because of Kira's decision, right?

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