gyro said:
I really really wish whoever ran the onion one would maintain a torrent or something.

The Internet Archive has a FA rip from July 2015. It's 5.1TB with 1-3 seeders. There's 132 torrents. Use the ReplayWeb.page software to open the warc.gz files. https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_furaffinity

Is the onion server a partially updated archive of FA or is it just something that was archived once before 2015 and then never updated?

I've been meaning to archive FA and will start doing so, but there's no way I'll get everything from 2015-2023 by July, especially since they always seem to have more than 10k registered users online. I can probably only get a couple TBs. I can prioritize the artists in this thread, but I can't say how I would get you a copy of their data. I'm still maintaining my archive of e621, so the posts here have been fully backed up by multiple entities (no one has archived the forum).

anderoas said:
The fact that they say creative community is funny as well. Creativity doesn't only apply to things one likes.

Two words: Deviant Art
Another two: Practically Orwellian :P

mrox said:
Is the onion server a partially updated archive of FA or is it just something that was archived once before 2015 and then never updated?

Updated, there are posts from 2015 to this day.
I also know of a couple e6 mirrors. One's on the clearnet and one's an onionsite.

So when these accounts drop off, are they going to ask for their work to be purged from here too?

kadachi-kun said:
Updated, there are posts from 2015 to this day.
I also know of a couple e6 mirrors. One's on the clearnet and one's an onionsite.

So, basically every rule 34 Booru out there? ;) Outdated tags FTW!

glyme said:
So when these accounts drop off, are they going to ask for their work to be purged from here too?

What? It's a third-party site.

alphamule said:
So, basically every rule 34 Booru out there? ;) Outdated tags FTW!

what about the kinda people who just try to dump full booru siterips to ExHentai in multiple, massive, unorganized, uncategorized, unlook-atable ~2000 image blobs.

Here you go folks, from the dogshit opinion of the "Athro Artist" mod on FA who started the 2012 "sonic characters drawn as canon are minor coded"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512096041697411093/1110332441161379992/image.png

No wonder Dragoneer deleted his own feral art of his eevee, too chicken to stand up to his own moderation team who lets minors register on their site and claims minors in vore is "sfw".
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512096041697411093/1110333526114566204/image.png

I suggest you start archiving all Pokemon art before every artist jumps ship.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512096041697411093/1110333471458590760/image.png

New FA Staff post said:
5. What Pokémon and Digimon cannot be in sexual content without being aged up?
While we cannot present an exhaustive list of thousands of characters, common canonical inclusions would be “baby Pokémon” such as Pichu, Mime Jr., Riolu, and Smoochum, other Pokémon such as Cubchoo, Cubone, Torchic, Ralts, Eevee, and Gothita, and Digmon such as Agumon, Impmon, Gatomon, and Veemon as these characters have childlike proportions or look like adolescent humans or animals.

6. What does aged up mean?
We are not concerned with whether or not a character is emotionally mature, a certain level, or evolved. The physical proportions of the character would need to be altered. It is not enough to change the size of a character. Scaling a character up or down doesn’t change its proportions. Making an adult smaller doesn’t create a child and making a child bigger doesn’t create an adult. If the character has no difference from birth to elder, you will have to draw them non-canon for them to be acceptable in sexual situations.

7. How do you judge proportions?
Generally speaking, as characters age, their proportions change. For humanoid characters, we compare to the proportions of humans and for feral animals we look to their earth counterparts or similar for fictional species.

8. What about the size or size difference between characters?
Since size is not the same as proportions, size and size difference rarely has any weight in decisions we make, whether the character is macro, micro, or several feet in difference apart in relation to each other. Corgi, otters, ponies, and other short creatures, will not be affected based upon stature alone.

You heard them lads, all Eevees that are drawn close to canon are cubs, time to start some implication requests, eevee -> cub /s

FA said:
feral animals we look to their earth counterparts or similar for fictional species.

FA said:
Eevee

imagine never having seen any small dog breeds.

May 19, 2023 - Internal Policy Update said:
- NO, there is no blanket ban across species.
- NO, there is no list of species that we will always take action on.

So this turned out to be bullshit.
Great going, FA admins.

Its just gonna get worse and i am losing my mind they have no idea what they're doing

Inb4 they announce theyre selling the site again

It seems like some people misunderstood what this changes are about. Basically all these rules were in effect already but they have been expanded to include pokemon and digimon. And after todays update we now know that that means that pokemon live eevee, charmander, buizel and digimon like gatomon, veemon and gammamon are "child-coded" according to FA staff and therefore, unable to be posted in there.

I for once think this is stupid bullshit, pokemon dont work that way and this is obviously done for moral grandstanding. But the future will tell if alienating all the pokemon artists was worth it.

rysyn said:
No wonder Dragoneer deleted his own feral art of his eevee, too chicken to stand up to his own moderation team who lets minors register on their site and claims minors in vore is "sfw".
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512096041697411093/1110333526114566204/image.png

This really funny.
He even describes them as "interests" instead of the fetishes they are.

thehuskyk9 said:
Same, I thought I was the only one

Ha! that was actually the first furry site I signed up at. Didn't end up spending much time there, But I do rarely poke my head in there.

kora_viridian said:
Note: This is entirely speculation.

Site owners sure do strange things when they get a polite request from their ISP, or a certified letter from Visa or Mastercard's corporate counsel. (Shinies = Paypal = you have to play by the Visa/MC rules. See also: T-mblr and P-rnh-b.)

Pic related, from way back in January 2014: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/12520996/

And these financial institutions are being pushed to do these things by fringe right wing Christian groups such as Exodus Cry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry

so, it seems like with whatever standards FA are going to use to flag stuff as cub, it's going to be more strict than e6's tagging standards for cub... and that would almost necessarily mean that anything tagged cub here is going to be not okay for FA. I really hope we don't see more threads from artists worrying/complaining that since some of the art posted from their FA to here is tagged cub that they're going to get banned from FA.

It's terrible, this stifling of artistic freedom

I'm a free speech absolutionist myself, and art is an extension of that Regardless of how I feel (and believe me, there are worse things to be into than cub) art is art and I can understand you enjoying it.

I think the worst part though is that it's outright restricting canonically on-model Pokémon. That's going really far

Honestly anyone that draws anything even remotely cub like should just use a different site. I never even bothered to go there to begin with because I heard of its reputation for this stuff.

popoto said:
This really funny.
He even describes them as "interests" instead of the fetishes they are.

You can draw "interest" art of characters down to 13 years old, including pregnancy, TF, and Vore. 13 is the minimum registration age for FA. If they're not fetishes, I guess it means they don't need the 18+ rating, either.

Hmm, interesting.

One of the major problems of FA doing this ban is the possibility of this attitude being spread and just hurting people that did not do anything.

FA's rule might expand to behavior on other sites, which would end up banning people from FA for posting "cub-coded"* or cub content on other platforms. Or it might start affecting the rules of other sites... if not general public opinion.
*TWYS a major flaw in TWYS is the tagging of non-cub porn as cub and everyone treating the artist as a pedo. Artists should have final say on whether something if cub or not.

I also take issue with rules being added and then retroactively enforced, much like the May 17th update here on e6. At the very least... there should be about a 2 month grace in which users can delete their old comments that break the rules.

But if anyone says anything about the whole FA thing... you will get a lot of antis frothing at the mouth to attack whoever they want to on some crusade.
That was happening in the FA server. All discussion of the rule was taken down... unless you were calling people pedophiles over art that is possibly not even cub.

I'm not trying to defend MAPs or anything, but I do worry about people being harassed out of existence over drawings that aren't actually hurting anyone or advocating for things like racism. And there is the possibility of artists just deleting all their work on a site (like e6) because of rules and enforcements like on FA... or private it all and make it hard to find and enjoy.

potentialgoat said:
You heard them lads, all Eevees that are drawn close to canon are cubs, time to start some implication requests, eevee -> cub /s

Time for the Sonic age-up era to happen once more: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwhH1F1agAAwjIM?format=jpg&name=900x900

darryus said:
what about the kinda people who just try to dump full booru siterips to ExHentai in multiple, massive, unorganized, uncategorized, unlook-atable ~2000 image blobs.

LOL, yeah, that's like the 2000-page Pixiv rips that just 25 variations each of the same 80 images. There's a reason that you're limited to how many alternate images (or edits) you can post.

sikfock666 said:
And these financial institutions are being pushed to do these things by fringe right wing Christian groups such as Exodus Cry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry

Yeah, Ben Nolot can GFO just like Jack Thompson (disbarred lawyer, not the actor!) with that control-freak nonsense.

darryus said:
so, it seems like with whatever standards FA are going to use to flag stuff as cub, it's going to be more strict than e6's tagging standards for cub... and that would almost necessarily mean that anything tagged cub here is going to be not okay for FA. I really hope we don't see more threads from artists worrying/complaining that since some of the art posted from their FA to here is tagged cub that they're going to get banned from FA.

Wouldn't it be other way around? I mean if FA is even more restrictive, then we might be NOT tagging some stuff cub that is banned there.

"Artists should have final say on whether something if cub or not." God, we had people seriously saying that and wondering why they got "LOL, nope"'d and why blacklists got mentioned immediately.

alphamule said:
Wouldn't it be other way around? I mean if FA is even more restrictive, then we might be NOT tagging some stuff cub that is banned there.

Or we wind up with the script flipped and users here start pushing for young tags on posts that wouldn't have them but are banned from FurAffinity. Whether or not admin-decisions make those tags stick.

I've done extra thinking into this Event and I think that this argument

bitwolfy said:
[..] people coming in here saying "look, it's up on FA, this means that it's not cub" even when it's obviously cub.

is the driving force behind FA's announcement. In the three months since Dacad's^{22k FA followers, 143k Twitter followers, 5 posts in e621's top-rated 75} complaint thread here over tag locks, there's been a huge acceleration in young tagging on their art. Social forces here are increasing, and it doesn't look good to be the place everyone points to as evidence that what looks like underage content should not be tagged as such.

magnuseffect said:
Or we wind up with the script flipped and users here start pushing for young tags on posts that wouldn't have them but are banned from FurAffinity. Whether or not admin-decisions make those tags stick.

I've done extra thinking into this Event and I think that this argument
is the driving force behind FA's announcement. In the three months since Dacad's^{22k FA followers, 143k Twitter followers, 5 posts in e621's top-rated 75} complaint thread here over tag locks, there's been a huge acceleration in young tagging on their art. Social forces here are increasing, and it doesn't look good to be the place everyone points to as evidence that what looks like underage content should not be tagged as such.

It's late-stage cancer, IOW.

magnuseffect said:
In the three months since Dacad's^{22k FA followers, 143k Twitter followers, 5 posts in e621's top-rated 75} complaint thread here over tag locks, there's been a huge acceleration in young tagging on their art. Social forces here are increasing, and it doesn't look good to be the place everyone points to as evidence that what looks like underage content should not be tagged as such.

I know that young tags are the type where you add it even if you're unsure, but that acceleration on Dacad's posts looks a little suspicious to me.

werideatdawn said:
I know that young tags are the type where you add it even if you're unsure, but that acceleration on Dacad's posts look suspicious to me TBH.

To be fair that one's mostly one person (you can see four banned accounts if you click to page 2), but artists having these encounters has been increasing recently, and Dacad's one of the more high-profile ones.

magnuseffect said:
To be fair that one's mostly one person (you can see four banned accounts if you click to page 2), but artists having these encounters has been increasing recently, and Dacad's one of the more high-profile ones.

Only takes a few for artists to want to go DNP here

demesejha said:
Its just gonna get worse and i am losing my mind they have no idea what they're doing

Inb4 they announce theyre selling the site again

I wonder when FA would be sold to Bad Dragon?

alphamule said:
"Artists should have final say on whether something if cub or not." God, we had people seriously saying that and wondering why they got "LOL, nope"'d and why blacklists got mentioned immediately.

Could you elaborate on this?

Should we start making a list of those from FurAffinity that wish to mass exodus from there to here?

anderoas said:
Should we start making a list of those from FurAffinity that wish to mass exodus from there to here?

Let me guess, it's a short list.

anderoas said:
Should we start making a list of those from FurAffinity that wish to mass exodus from there to here?

I don't think that there are many artists that are going to be affected by this currently have a DNP status on here so it's probably not going to be a mass exodus, because, in all likelyhood they're already here. for the remainder, they probably still don't like e6 on a fundamental level, either they hate TWYS, they still don't like us hosting stuff that they don't like, or whatever other reason be it understandable or incomprehensible; in most cases we'd likely need to change before they'd want to come back, which probably isn't going to happen.

alphamule said:
Quoted here so they can't delete the evidence later.

Just going to copy-paste all the related journals here for quick reference.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10552819/
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10557600/
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10560608/

----

On a separate note, the list of artists affected on my previous comment (forum #365533) has increased tremendously. If anybody is doing backups, please keep an eye out.

it kinda bothers me that the FurAffinity staff posts news announcements as "Fender" rather than having it posted by a real person, it feels very corporate.
I guess they kinda have to do it since all of the news posts are just journals and they don't have forums anymore, so I guess it'd be more difficult to keep track of old news posts otherwise. but I dunno, they don't even, like, sign off with an admin's name at the end of the news post... actually, is there even a way on FA to find out who the any of the members of staff are? on here there's an about page, but I don't see anything like that on FA.

_{also there's something about the 100x100 photo of someone wearing a Fender fursuit that's used as the account's avatar I find vaguely threatening.}

darryus said:
it kinda bothers me that the FurAffinity staff posts news announcements as "Fender" rather than having it posted by a real person, it feels very corporate.
I guess they kinda have to do it since all of the news posts are just journals and they don't have forums anymore, so I guess it'd be more difficult to keep track of old news posts otherwise. but I dunno, they don't even, like, sign off with an admin's name at the end of the news post... actually, is there even a way on FA to find out who the any of the members of staff are? on here there's an about page, but I don't see anything like that on FA.

_{also there's something about the 100x100 photo of someone wearing a Fender fursuit that's used as the account's avatar I find vaguely threatening.}

there used to be a "who's staff" page at http://www.furaffinity.net/staff/ but they blanked it between jan 12 and jun 6 of 2019.

edit: they removed the link to the staff page from their template's top bar (under "support") between mar 29 and apr 2 the previous year: 2018.

thegreatwolfgang said:
On another note, the list of artists affected on my previous comment (forum #365533) has increased tremendously. If anybody is doing backups, please keep an eye out.

Talentlesshack packed up and left;
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10557999/

the_shinx said:
Talentlesshack packed up and left;
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/10557999/

Already mentioned on the main list by the OP of the thread, see forum #365477.

thegreatwolfgang said:
Already mentioned on the main list by the OP of the thread, see forum #365477.

Actually they did post it first, I just edited it in pretty quick.

kadachi-kun said:
Could you elaborate on this?

https://e621.net/forum_topics/35820 "No, you!"

https://e621.net/forum_topics/32250 "The Future is Now!"

https://e621.net/forum_topics/32387 "Tagged what you saw: FA edition"

I mean, there's literally hundreds of results for "cub" in tagging discussions. Tl;Dr You can't have functional blacklists and avoiding tagging cub in the same system. It's a false positives/negatives situation. You WILL have some edge cases/outliers.

Victini? Banned. Meloetta? Banned. Mew? Banned. Celebi? Believe it or not, banned. Sneasel? Banned. Pikachu? Oops too popular but would be banned. Dragoneer's own Eevee character? HMMM....

Fun Fact.

Dragoneer used to go by Preyfar.

And Preyfar had a Purple Hyena Cub Fursona that was in the old SoftPaw Magazines.....

I don't care about 2D Art. It's FICTION.

But one thing I cannot stand is Hypocrisy.

And Dragoneer is definitely a Hypocrite.

If F.A. Users start migrating, I hope they have the sense to leave the "holes" back with their sunk ship.... Please don't sink the next one and then ask "Why'd it sink????"

It sank because you CELEBRATED CENSORSHIP instead of FIGHTING IT.....

And e621 has no need for that...

Because unlike F.A.

You have the ability to BLACKLIST the stuff that you do not want to see.....

Don't like 2D Cub Art???

Blacklist it and it can't hurt you....

This isn't Twitter!!!

Nobody here wants to have 10,000 debates about why a 2D Drawing is 100% equal to ACTUAL PEOPLE....

wolfmanfur said:

FA is like a gateway to e6, it's a rite of passage before joining this site.

Most folks who are gonna be furries first go to mainstream normie-adjacent furry sites like furaffinity or deviantart....

So either you became a furry from somewhere else --- or you're lying. If it's from elsewhere, I'm curious to know where.

Furcadia....

LiveJournal....

ICQ....

Yahoo Groups.....

veruke_assault said:
Furcadia....

LiveJournal....

ICQ....

Yahoo Groups.....

Dungeons and Dragons--

votp said:
Dungeons and Dragons--

Sonic SatAm...

Tiny Toons....

TaleSpin....

Chip 'N Dale....

--------------------

Annnnnyway.

F.A. was never any good.

E6 & Inkbunny are the superior Furry Websites, until the Purity Olympics messes them up too.

So..... DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN.

alphamule said:
https://e621.net/forum_topics/35820 "No, you!"

https://e621.net/forum_topics/32250 "The Future is Now!"

https://e621.net/forum_topics/32387 "Tagged what you saw: FA edition"

I mean, there's literally hundreds of results for "cub" in tagging discussions. Tl;Dr You can't have functional blacklists and avoiding tagging cub in the same system. It's a false positives/negatives situation. You WILL have some edge cases/outliers.

I guess one thing's for certain – as long as there are two people left on the planet, someone's going to want to argue about cub.

As an aside, was it ever made public which entities and organizations were the ones that kept harassing e6's hosting provider forcing the creation of the global blacklist? I have my suspicions, but I'd just like to know for sure.

I can't help but chuckle as it feels like I am spotting a lot of anger from people who hate cub art, who are now fighting against their own art being called cub art. It feels karmic for them to be stuck with a label they'd always used to justify being hateful. I am enjoying this blurring of the line because cub art and chibi art really are basically the same. Fictional and harmless. Of course I care about proper tagging and hate that FA wants to label 50% of their show-accurate art as cub, because that's just going to make it harder to find actual cub art. But the anger this has caused is a good anger. It's nice to have people on the side of the cub artists, even if they were forced onto our team. It's just great to see everyone united. I think we'll be seeing a lot of people notice their hypocrisy and change, I think we're going to be seeing a lot of growing up. Not sure if it counts as irony that being accepting of cub art goes hand in hand with being mature. But it is funny. All those who supported a ban on cub are suffering from it. Now they get to see they were wrong. Now they get to yell at their younger selves.

I'm optomistic, but I also spent the last couple hours absolutely stunned with how stupid and awful this has been. As FA sink their own site I just hope this sets an example to every other site. Learn to be smarter, by not doing what FA would do.

manyura said:
You'd be surprised. I actually became a furry from a site called luscious

DUDE SAME, then i found this site by sheer accident

So many love to draw a line about what sort of fictional content it's okay to consume. And they always draw the line right past what they themselves like. I think those sorts of people feel insecure about their own position, and think by drawing a line they can direct the hate to someone else, that they get to be part of the in-group, the ones expressing hate, rather than the ones experiencing it. Dragoneer seems to be doing this by drawing their own line so that vore is always okay and is an "interest" rather than a "fetish",

That sort of target redirection never works. No one is ever convinced by another person's line drawn just barely to portray themselves as acceptable, and joining the brigade only cuts away your own buffer further and further. The reactions I've seen here and elsewhere make this clear. You have the people who's art is hit, they aren't happy obviously. But you have those with puritan attitudes who are immediately looking at "what next can we move on to ban?".

If you're on this site, I can guarantee you aren't on the safe side of this trend.

Of course, on the flip side, I don't think pointing any of this out is going to change anyone's mind either. People love their arbitrary lines,and especially won't give them up, especially at the behest of someone who's been vocal about their own place low down on the social totem pole.

You can include Skoon on that list in the OP, she said she's probably going to be deleting her whole account. Hope she makes a backup of everything before then.

a wild new tag appeared

Jeez, what a shitshow.

Just a quick note, if anybody wants to voice their opinions on the new UP 2.7, you can do so on the official FA Discord server.
https://discord.com/channels/991855522913460224/1110644832289968138

Alternatively, if you don't have a Discord account or don't want to join the server, you can submit a trouble ticket under "General" -> "Feedback".
https://www.furaffinity.net/controls/troubletickets/

If the new policy affects you or people you know, you are encouraged to voice your concerns (taking in mind of the 6-hour slowmode for Discord).

thegreatwolfgang said:
Just a quick note, if anybody wants to voice their opinions on the new UP 2.7, you can do so on the official FA Discord server.
https://discord.com/channels/991855522913460224/1110644832289968138

Alternatively, if you don't have a Discord account or don't want to join the server, you can submit a trouble ticket under "General" -> "Feedback".
https://www.furaffinity.net/controls/troubletickets/

If the new policy affects you or people you know, you are encouraged to voice your concerns (taking in mind of the 6-hour slowmode for Discord).

6 Hour Slowmode

My fucking sides. They did away with the site forums for this shit?

cinnamoncrunch said:
a wild new tag appeared

post #4063714 My favorite example of that tag

thegreatwolfgang said:
Just a quick note, if anybody wants to voice their opinions on the new UP 2.7, you can do so on the official FA Discord server.
https://discord.com/channels/991855522913460224/1110644832289968138

Alternatively, if you don't have a Discord account or don't want to join the server, you can submit a trouble ticket under "General" -> "Feedback".
https://www.furaffinity.net/controls/troubletickets/

If the new policy affects you or people you know, you are encouraged to voice your concerns (taking in mind of the 6-hour slowmode for Discord).

LOL, I wonder how many phone numbers you'll need before they ban them all/stop doing invites. I was wondering why I didn't get feedback on some (unrelated) question from last week. After I submitted it, guess what soon came up on top of page. Like, next day I think.

the users emptying their galleries and posting journals about the update are most decidedly voicing their concerns.

and without the need of a wannabe irc walled garden or a trouble ticket system seemingly designed to make issue tracking hard.

votp said:
6 Hour Slowmode

My fucking sides. They did away with the site forums for this shit?

ikr? but this isn't their first rodeo (clown show). these are the same admins who did away with a functioning mediawiki help server for a proprietary subscription help system that was harder to set up and flesh out, a few years before conning imvu into buying the site.

votp said:
6 Hour Slowmode

My fucking sides. They did away with the site forums for this shit?

The point of the 6-hr slow mode was cause the last discord thread was just same talking points repeated for 20k+ posts (and plenty off-topic stuff sprinkled in). Ain't nobody got time to read through that. Instead you're encourage to make a large post with all your points and make edits where necessary, or link to an outside doc if you're getting cucked by Discord's character limit. It's much easier to look through though a shorter cooldown like maybe 1~2 hour would be preferable.

nero1024 said:
The point of the 6-hr slow mode was cause the last discord thread was just same talking points repeated for 20k+ posts (and plenty off-topic stuff sprinkled in). Ain't nobody got time to read through that. Instead you're encourage to make a large post with all your points and make edits where necessary, or link to an outside doc if you're getting cucked by Discord's character limit. It's much easier to look through though a shorter cooldown like maybe 1~2 hour would be preferable.

Or alternatively, stop trying to use Discord to replace boards, because it's a chat, not a board.

votp said:
Or alternatively, stop trying to use Discord to replace boards, because it's a chat, not a board.

Lmao, whenever something on e621 breaks, both the bug report thread, normal threads, and the helpdesk fill up with people who don't bother reading the exact same way.
There is literally no difference, trust me.

Discord forums are not the worst solution.

bitwolfy said:
Lmao, whenever something on e621 breaks, both the bug report thread, normal threads, and the helpdesk fill up with people who don't bother reading the exact same way.
There is literally no difference, trust me.

Discord forums are not the worst solution.

The difference is E6 has forums and a Discord. FA closed their forums to shove things purely to Discord.

bitwolfy said:
Lmao, whenever something on e621 breaks, both the bug report thread, normal threads, and the helpdesk fill up with people who don't bother reading the exact same way.
There is literally no difference, trust me.

Discord forums are not the worst solution.

if anything you'd expect it to cut down on the spam, since... 1) most of the people whose public persona isn't already tied to furry porn probably isn't going to want to connect to a Discord for a furry website using their main account, and 2) creating an alt for Discord is kind of a hassle (tenfold for mobile users).
more barriers to entry == fewer users == less spam.

I mean, I kinda thought that was the point of swapping from a public forums to a Discord server.

darryus said:
if anything you'd expect it to cut down on the spam, since... 1) most of the people whose public persona isn't already tied to furry porn probably isn't going to want to connect to a Discord for a furry website using their main account, and 2) creating an alt for Discord is kind of a hassle (tenfold for mobile users).
more barriers to entry == fewer users == less spam.

It also means fewer legitimate users, probably a lower signal to noise ratio too. There are people that don't use Discord on principle, who could otherwise provide useful feedback and discussion. There are people who do use Discord but don't want to show up to a popular furry channel and have that name outed, and it's too much of a hassle to make an alt for the rare time it would be useful. On the other hand, people who like trolling and making things annoying for other people are more likely to take the time to create alts and have them ready ahead of time, for reasons relating to ban or blocklist evasions or sock puppet accounts.

In related news, FA has just updated the policy. All depictions of pregnant minors are to be banned now, irrespective of context or reason. Vore and other kinks ""non-sexual interests"" are still a-ok.

watsit said:
In related news, FA has just updated the policy. All depictions of pregnant minors are to be banned now, irrespective of context or reason. Vore and other kinks ""non-sexual interests"" are still a-ok.

so, are they actually using the "it's in a kids show therefore it's not a fetish" excuse? because like, that's a pretty low bar, all things considered; there's a lot of foot stuff that'd be deemed alright becaue of all of the shit that Snyder's Bakery put out and a bunch of other stuff from animated shows like Totally Spies.

darryus said:
so, are they actually using the "it's in a kids show therefore it's not a fetish" excuse? because like, that's a pretty low bar, all things considered; there's a lot of foot stuff that'd be deemed alright becaue of all of the shit that Snyder's Bakery put out and a bunch of other stuff from animated shows like Totally Spies.

I think it's really funny how websites that allow minors^{but don't allow them to see 18+ content} need to all-or-nothing things in a way that has no relation to print and TV/film rating standards. So much sexualised anime/manga content features and/or is distributable to minors in The West. There are Beastars pages^{Haru attempting to have sex with 17-year-old Legoshi} that would be bannable on FA now^{Beyond some Twitter people already being mad about Haru's proportions}, and so many Western books and movies have non-pornographic sexual content that either feature minors, or that minors are allowed to read.^{My tenth grade English teacher made us read the Godfather books.}
It's just funny to me that when placed into an environment that also contains outright-pornography, so many things flip from okay to NOT OKAY regardless of content-filtering systems. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure pregnant teenagers are more socially acceptable^{maybe not desirable, but what are we gonna do, lock 'em up? Make 'em wear full-body veils? Shun them into self-aborting?} than walking around a school in a shirt with graphic vore/fart/foot art printed on it.
Minors do sexual things, and while I can understand people not wanting pornographic depictions of those things, rules like these crack down on otherwise SFW literary and artistic depictions that are fine anywhere else that isn't pornography-adjacent.

_{man, that analogy I made earlier was so innocent; it's not like the kids are only allowed to drink milk. with FA's stance on vore and other fetishes it's way more like they let 'em in, sat 'em down at the bar and were like "hey kids, want some fukken absinthe?".}

magnuseffect said:
Minors do sexual things, and while I can understand people not wanting pornographic depictions of those things, rules like these crack down on otherwise SFW literary and artistic depictions that are fine anywhere else that isn't pornography-adjacent.

yeah, but we're talking about a space that's primarily used by adults to get off that allows minors to join.
I don't necessarily have a problem with children who are going through puberty... uhh-- exploring that, or talking about it to adults in their life that care about them, or even reading about it books or whatever. but FA is none of those things, I don't think that minors exploring their burgeoning foot/vore/inflation fetish with some randy in their 20s or 30s is a good thing.

like, bro, there's inflation art on there that looks like it's made by actual children.

darryus said:
EDIT: and... there's another case, I guess.

That wasn't the case.

darryus said:
_{man, that analogy I made earlier was so innocent; it's not like the kids are only allowed to drink milk. with FA's stance on vore and other fetishes it's way more like they let 'em in, sat 'em down at the bar and were like "hey kids, want some fukken absinthe?"}

yeah, but we're talking about a space that's primarily used by adults to get off that allows minors to join.

^{whew while writing this post I sure encountered someone's underwear bulge upskirt view photos rated General on the FA frontpage}
I know I'm a little wires-crossed with my posts.
But it's like uhhh, even if minors weren't allowed on FA, this would still have been the rules update, no? Actual rules-following minors can still see all genres of content they could before, as long as the characters are site-legally adults. I suppose to put it more concisely, it doesn't make (complete) sense to me for websites not considered across-the-board 18+ to universally shovel content into the 18+ category that would be 13-16+ rated^{i.e. publishable without porn classification} anywhere else, and then outright ban such content on the basis of it being equivalent to banned pornography.

Edit: I'll work on sticking to plain-text more ;n;

magnuseffect said:
I think it's really funny how websites that allow minors^{but don't allow them to see 18+ content} need to all-or-nothing things in a way that has no relation to print and TV/film rating standards. So much sexualised anime/manga content features and/or is distributable to minors in The West. There are Beastars pages^{Haru attempting to have sex with 17-year-old Legoshi} that would be bannable on FA now^{Beyond some Twitter people already being mad about Haru's proportions}, and so many Western books and movies have non-pornographic sexual content that either feature minors, or that minors are allowed to read.^{My tenth grade English teacher made us read the Godfather books.}
It's just funny to me that when placed into an environment that also contains outright-pornography, so many things flip from okay to NOT OKAY regardless of content-filtering systems. Beyond that, I'm pretty sure pregnant teenagers are more socially acceptable^{maybe not desirable, but what are we gonna do, lock 'em up? Make 'em wear full-body veils? Shun them into self-aborting?} than walking around a school in a shirt with graphic vore/fart/foot art printed on it.
Minors do sexual things, and while I can understand people not wanting pornographic depictions of those things, rules like these crack down on otherwise SFW literary and artistic depictions that are fine anywhere else that isn't pornography-adjacent.

magnuseffect said:
^{whew while writing this post I sure encountered someone's underwear bulge upskirt view photos rated General on the FA frontpage}
I know I'm a little wires-crossed with my posts.
But it's like uhhh, even if minors weren't allowed on FA, this would still have been the rules update, no? Actual rules-following^* minors can still see all genres of content they could before, as long as the characters are site-legally adults. I suppose to put it more concisely, it doesn't make (complete) sense to me that websites not considered across-the-board 18+ to universally shovel content into the 18+ category that would be 13-16+ rated^{i.e. publishable without porn classification} anywhere else, and then outright ban such content on the basis of it being equivalent to banned pornography.
^{*So inconsistent I wouldn't even be surprised if any of these adult furry sites had unintentionally hired minors to staff without checking at some point}

Sometimes, I regret adding the DText shortcut buttons.
This is one of those times. Could you stop doing this?

specteon said:
That wasn't the case.

what do you mean? you did get carded for suspicion of being underage, so, it is still an example case of administration trying to catch potential underage users using more than flat admission to being currently under 18.

add Kekitopu to the list, whose FA account is now deactivated. the decision wasn't made in direct response to the policy update, but realizations that happened afterward.

Ancesra has wiped all images but one from their FA account.

Hugoriolu is having their account deleted.

https://www.furaffinity.net/user/hugoriolu

Edit: StripedCrocodile posted they'll be not using FA anymore: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/52275038/

mrox said:
The Internet Archive has a FA rip from July 2015. It's 5.1TB with 1-3 seeders. There's 132 torrents. Use the ReplayWeb.page software to open the warc.gz files. https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_furaffinity

Is the onion server a partially updated archive of FA or is it just something that was archived once before 2015 and then never updated?

I've been meaning to archive FA and will start doing so, but there's no way I'll get everything from 2015-2023 by July, especially since they always seem to have more than 10k registered users online.

also the onion server i was talking about is not the same one as the one done on 2015, the onion server is, as far as ive seen, very complete, and grabbed most if not all art that has ever been uploaded. it even has some of my sfw shit I uploaded a while ago
number 1 rule of the internet:
someone, somewhere on the internet probably:
did it for you (it exists)
better than you could ever do (since 2004, and probably still updating, though im not sure how recent the last update was)
faster than you
more than you (see point 2)
though seriously, that onion site really could use a "download all images" buttons cause holy fuck was getting each and every individual images form that site a pain, ESPECIALLY before i got the actual tor, instead of using a .ly thing, which was down half the time.

Furaffinity should have burned to the ground in 2009.

It's good that anyone, under any circumstance, is leaving it.

Intimately aware as I was of (and traumatized by) every last incident on that site for so long (and too long), I really have to remember how obscure and forgotten it's all become... I can't blame most of it's userbase for lacking the knowledge I wish I never had. To make the decision I did.

But I will personally throw my vote in to ignore their new policy when tagging new uploads on e621.

That site should not have any influence outside of it's own borders.

It never earned whatever it had in the first place.

EDIT: I would also like to say that, no, actually, no site, no domain, should ever be "The One Centralized Hub Of All Things".

Twitter, Facebook, Google, Deviantart, so many have demonstrated how the whole idea is folly (and with greater consequence).

e621 shouldn't be "the center of the furry fandom" either, no matter how decent or fair it is, now.

So many artists that I like in this threads affected artists lists... I hope we don't end up with a bunch of artists (notably feral pokemon porn artists) giving up art over this...

letforeverdieslow said:
But I will personally throw my vote in to ignore their new policy when tagging new uploads on e621.

That site should not have any influence outside of it's own borders.

As you should. All uploads should follow e621's twys policy, and shouldn't consider outside information of what age a character is from any other source.