Topic: Holding_object BUR

The bulk update request #3167 is pending approval.

Reason: 25 related tags requested in descending order of non-implied tags.

Looks mostly ok, BUT am thumb-ing DOWN while the BUR includes:
"create implication holding_person (593) -> holding_object (180553)"

In my opinion, a person is NOT an object.

{edit: and suggest you remove from the BUR
"create alias holding_bow_(weapon) (557) -> holding_bow (0)"
because a month & a half after your BUR
holding_bow was ALIASed to holding_bow_(weapon) : alias #59112
(with holding_bow_(weapon) implying to holding_ranged_weapon and bow_(weapon)) }

Maybe add implications:
holding_console -> game_console
holding_tray -> tray

edit: i was going to suggest adding "implication holding_plate -> plate", BUT did search and is already at BUR #8970

listerthesquirrel said:
Looks mostly ok, BUT am thumb-ing DOWN while the BUR includes:
"create implication holding_person (593) -> holding_object (180553)"

In my opinion, a person is NOT an object.

Objectification of people is so widespread nowadays :(

Also more concerningly, why is there 3 holding_person tags? holding another and holding_character

Ditto with carrying person carrying another carrying character

(and why is the main tag holding_character for holds but carrying another for carries)

snpthecat said:
Objectification of people is so widespread nowadays :(

Also more concerningly, why is there 3 holding_person tags? holding another and holding_character

Ditto with carrying person carrying another carrying character

(and why is the main tag holding_character for holds but carrying another for carries)

Excellent points there.
Drag007's latest e6 activity seems to be five months ago (tag edit in May), so they may not update the BUR soon.

Looking forward to discussion on those carrying_* and holding_* tags.

create implication holding_character (3587) -> holding_person (593)

• create alias holding_person (593) -> holding_character (3587)

create implication holding_partner (6851) -> holding_person (593)

• create alias holding_partner (6851) -> holding_character (3587)

create implication holding_writing_utensil (1469) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_another (3205) -> holding_person (593)

• create alias holding_another (3205) -> holding_character (3587)

create implication holding_card (597) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_person (593) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_fixture (343) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_plate (870) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_console (389) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_melee_weapon (11296) -> holding_weapon (38103)
create implication holding_spoon (490) -> holding_cutlery (0)
create implication holding_cutlery (0) -> holding_utensil (113)
create implication holding_bag (882) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_tray (608) -> holding_object (180564)
create implication holding_axe (731) -> holding_melee_weapon (11296)
create implication holding_fruit (519) -> holding_plant (114)
create implication holding_guitar (542) -> holding_plucked_string_instrument (0)
create implication holding_plucked_string_instrument (0) -> holding_string_instrument (6)
create implication holding_string_instrument (6) -> holding_musical_instrument (1444)
create alias holding_bow_(weapon) (557) -> holding_bow (0)
create implication holding_fork (405) -> holding_cutlery (0)
create alias holding_single_card (127) -> holding_card (597)
create implication holding_note_pad (219) -> holding_object (180564)

snpthecat said:
Objectification of people is so widespread nowadays :(

Also more concerningly, why is there 3 holding_person tags? holding another and holding_character

Ditto with carrying person carrying another carrying character

(and why is the main tag holding_character for holds but carrying another for carries)

I can understand there being a difference between holding/carrying_person and holding/carrying_another/character- ferals aren't really human-shaped and holding them involves different positioning. But there shouldn't be BOTH 'another' and 'character'.

And noticed carry aliases to carrying_another, which is probably why some holding_object uploads also tagged with carrying_another despite not carrying a character. (carrying_object aliases to holding_object)

examples
post #5010956 post #4936689

Upload where i don't see any obvious carrying:
post #4785690