The bulk update request #2558 has been rejected.

Reason: Been meaning to make a BUR like this for a while, and finally decided to. There are an excessive number of monotone tags, which indicate something being monotone when that thing can be assumed to be monotone 99.9% of the time. And we generally don't tag things that can be assumed true for the vast majority of cases (e.g. eyes/eyes_opened are aliased away, and eyes_closed works fine for its opposite, or how white_sclera is aliased away because it's by far the most common and the expected sclera color, or how all_fours shouldn't be tagged for quadrupeds since we can assume they'll be on all fours the vast majority of the time, or nude for ferals). If searching eyebrows gives results that are nearly always monotone_eyebrows, for instance, there's no point in the latter tag, especially when it's not well-tagged (eyebrows returning many more monotone eyebrows than the monotone_eyebrows tag). All of these cases have or can have multicolored_* tags for when they aren't monotone, but the base tag works plenty well to get monotone results.

Monotone background is included here since that's essentially what simple_background is for (and corresponding red_background, blue_background, etc, tags which implicate it). Moved to topic #41351

Monotone eyes is here because it's massively misused. Its results rarely include true monotone eyes, like in post #3295801, but rather when it's monotone pupils (which is unnecessary in itself) with white sclera, two separate tones/colors, like post #3358795. If the pupil and sclera are allowed to be two separate colors and still count as monotone eyes, then there's no reason something like post #3363654 shouldn't also apply, but that goes to show its misapplication. Note also that monotone_breasts has a similar problem, though not as badly; when the breasts have nipples and areola that are a separate color from the rest of it, still being tagged monotone_breasts. That might still be possible to clean up though, if someone wants to put the effort in.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2558 (forum #336048) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

EDIT: The bulk update request #2558 (forum #336048) has failed: Error: Alias would modify other aliases or implications through transitive relationships. (create alias monotone_areola -> areola)

I would think that monotone should be reserved for the picture itself overall. Using monotone for components in the picture seems to me to be tagging simply for the sake of adding tags, regardless of their use.

watsit said:
The bulk update request #2558 has been rejected.

create alias monotone_tongue (1) -> tongue (848651)
create alias monotone_eyebrows (3) -> eyebrows (245816)
create alias monotone_areola (1) -> areola (415195)
create alias monotone_nipples (3) -> nipples (1271220)
create alias monotone_nose (1) -> nose (0)
create alias monotone_pussy (2) -> pussy (895235)
create alias monotone_lips (1) -> lips (64858)
create alias monotone_nails (1) -> nails (52143)
create alias monotone_pawpads (1) -> pawpads (249431)
create alias monotone_hooves (0) -> hooves (134039)
create alias monotone_sheath (1) -> sheath (89321)
create alias monotone_toes (0) -> toes (421816)
create alias monotone_fingers (1) -> fingers (504101)
create alias monotone_claws (0) -> claws (536386)
create alias monotone_ears (6) -> invalid_tag (12)
create alias monotone_eyes (3) -> eyes (-9)

Agree, but considering the number of monotone_* tags to which this argument applies, which have >100 taggings, I consider this BUR somewhat incomplete.

savageorange said:
Agree, but considering the number of monotone_* tags to which this argument applies, which have >100 taggings, I consider this BUR somewhat incomplete.

Quite true, but I didn't want to get too far into the weeds of which ones this can actually apply to (especially without knowing if it would go over well to begin with), and there's a limit of 25 aliases/implications per BUR too (currently 16, I could only add 9 more regardless). Feel free to add extra BURs to this thread with more monotone tags you think should go away.

clawstripe said:
I would think that monotone should be reserved for the picture itself overall. Using monotone for components in the picture seems to me to be tagging simply for the sake of adding tags, regardless of their use.

I think the tag you’re looking for is monochrome.

But regardless, yeah, I don’t think it should be used for anything but the whole character, since that’s the only thing that’s not commonly monotone in the first place. Even something like monotone hair that’s pretty commonly used seems rather pointless to me. Most hair is monotone, and hair that isn’t can be identified with multicolored hair/gradient hair/highlights (coloring) etc. I think monotone body/skin/feathers/scales/fur/exoskeleton should be sufficient as far as monotone tags go.

scaliespe said:
I think the tag you’re looking for is monochrome.

It is. Thanks. But it still doesn't change my opinion of the monotone tags. :p

The bulk update request #5861 is active.

remove implication monotone_eyebrows (3) -> eyebrows (245816)
remove implication monotone_areola (1) -> areola (415195)
remove implication monotone_pussy (2) -> monotone_genitals (4638)
remove implication monotone_pussy (2) -> pussy (895235)
remove implication monotone_hooves (0) -> hooves (134039)
remove implication monotone_sheath (1) -> sheath (89321)
remove implication monotone_sheath (1) -> monotone_genitals (4638)
remove alias monotone_paw_pads (0) -> monotone_pawpads (1)
remove alias monotone_pawpad (0) -> monotone_pawpads (1)
remove alias monotone_paw_pad (0) -> monotone_pawpads (1)
remove alias mono_tone_ear (0) -> monotone_ears (6)
remove alias mono_tone_ears (0) -> monotone_ears (6)
remove alias mono-tone_ear (0) -> monotone_ears (6)
remove alias monotone_ear (0) -> monotone_ears (6)
remove alias mono-tone_ears (0) -> monotone_ears (6)

Reason: Removing some implications/aliases so the BUR can actually be applied.

EDIT: The bulk update request #5861 (forum #381697) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

Also updated to include monotone_ears since someone with a history of tagging issues took it upon themselves to edit the wiki and make it arbitrarily exclude a significant portion of the visible ear, essentially making it monotone_outer_ear, so the tag has a lot of multicolored ears with it.

watsit said:
Also updated to include monotone_ears since someone with a history of tagging issues took it upon themselves to edit the wiki and make it arbitrarily exclude a significant portion of the visible ear, essentially making it monotone_outer_ear, so the tag has a lot of multicolored ears with it.

I don't think the solution to that is to invalidate the tag.

donteven said:
I don't think the solution to that is to invalidate the tag.

It can't be aliased to ears, since that's aliased to invalid_tag, and I can't think of another tag that's highly likely to be applicable to posts with monotone_ears that it can be aliased to. The alternative would be to go through 101 pages of results and manually check to fix mistags, which I'd be surprised if anyone's willing to do.

There's also the argument given above,

clawstripe said:
I would think that monotone should be reserved for the picture itself overall. Using monotone for components in the picture seems to me to be tagging simply for the sake of adding tags, regardless of their use.

savageorange said:
Agree, but considering the number of monotone_* tags to which this argument applies, which have >100 taggings, I consider this BUR somewhat incomplete.

scaliespe said:
But regardless, yeah, I don’t think it should be used for anything but the whole character, since that’s the only thing that’s not commonly monotone in the first place.

So even if someone was willing and it was cleaned up, there's still the question if it should stay regardless.

watsit said:
It can't be aliased to ears, since that's aliased to invalid_tag, and I can't think of another tag that's highly likely to be applicable to posts with monotone_ears that it can be aliased to. The alternative would be to go through 101 pages of results and manually check to fix mistags, which I'd be surprised if anyone's willing to do.

There's also the argument given above,
So even if someone was willing and it was cleaned up, there's still the question if it should stay regardless.

"There would have to be clean-up" is not a very good reason to just toss it out and leave it as a conspicuous gap in the tag family. It's a perfectly reasonable tag to have.
I should think the solution would be to correct the wikis, if need be, and then clean the tag. It's not like the wiki is locked or anything.

And if monotone is to not exist at all, that's a completely different discussion which is clearly not being considered by the BUR.

(Speaking of generally assumed tags, black_pupils -> pupils when?)

donteven said:
"There would have to be clean-up" is not a very good reason to just toss it out and leave it as a conspicuous gap in the tag family. It's a perfectly reasonable tag to have.

It wouldn't be the first time a "reasonable" tag has been invalidated due to excessive mistags. If someone commits to cleaning it up, I can consider removing it from the BUR and leave it for another broader discussion of monotone tags in general, but as long as it's misused and messy, I think it's better to deal with it now instead of leaving it in limbo.

Like most of the monotone tags, I do think monotone_ears is useless. Even with the mistags cleaned out, truly monotone ears are extremely common and rarely tagged as such. Pretty much all humans have monotone ears by default, for instance. Better to just tag two_tone_ears/multicolored_ears when they occur as they are the exception.

The bulk update request #5861 (forum #381697) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #2558 (forum #336048) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

Was one rejected or approved by mistake? The one that was approved was for being able to alias them away, while the one to alias them away was rejected. The alternate spellings are now not aliased anymore, and the tags are neither implying or aliased to what they are. It seems they should have both been rejected or accepted together, it doesn't make sense to accept one but not the other.

watsit said:
Was one rejected or approved by mistake? The one that was approved was for being able to alias them away, while the one to alias them away was rejected. The alternate spellings are now not aliased anymore, and the tags are neither implying or aliased to what they are. It seems they should have both been rejected or accepted together, it doesn't make sense to accept one but not the other.

post #2621349

The bulk update request #2558 (forum #336048) has failed: Error: Alias would modify other aliases or implications through transitive relationships. (create alias monotone_areola -> areola)

auto_moderator said:
The bulk update request #2558 (forum #336048) has failed: Error: Alias would modify other aliases or implications through transitive relationships. (create alias monotone_areola -> areola)

My understanding from the folks up there is that there are still a few too many collisions.

All the aliases and implications need to be cleared from the aliased tags before it can be aliased to another. That's a downside of BURs over aliases, the BTRs

The bulk update request #7237 is active.

remove alias monotone_areolas (0) -> monotone_areola (1)
remove alias monotone_areolae (0) -> monotone_areola (1)
remove alias monotone_fingerpads (0) -> monotone_pawpads (1)

Reason: The required prerequisites before the BUR can pass

EDIT: The bulk update request #7237 (forum #397247) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

snpthecat said:
The bulk update request #7237 is active.

remove alias monotone_areolas (0) -> monotone_areola (1)
remove alias monotone_areolae (0) -> monotone_areola (1)
remove alias monotone_fingerpads (0) -> monotone_pawpads (1)

Reason: The required prerequisites before the BUR can pass

monotone_pawpads too, I believe.

strikerman said:
monotone_pawpads too, I believe.

Already done

Also monotone_ears should alias to ears now that it's out of the invalid_tag black hole

snpthecat said:
Also monotone_ears should alias to ears now that it's out of the invalid_tag black hole

Yeah sure, might as well while we're here

I thought I got all the aliases and implications, but I guess not.

snpthecat said:
Also monotone_ears should alias to ears now that it's out of the invalid_tag black hole

It doesn't seem like I can edit the BUR now that it's been rejected. Should I create a new one, or can an admin edit it before unrejecting/approving it?

watsit said:
I thought I got all the aliases and implications, but I guess not.

It doesn't seem like I can edit the BUR now that it's been rejected. Should I create a new one, or can an admin edit it before unrejecting/approving it?

BURs can't be unrejected or approved after being rejected, a new one needs to be created

(If this has been done in the past, it's no longer possible)

The bulk update request #7239 is active.

create alias monotone_tongue (1) -> tongue (848651)
create alias monotone_eyebrows (3) -> eyebrows (245816)
create alias monotone_areola (1) -> areola (415195)
create alias monotone_nipples (3) -> nipples (1271220)
create alias monotone_nose (1) -> nose (0)
create alias monotone_pussy (2) -> pussy (895235)
create alias monotone_lips (1) -> lips (64858)
create alias monotone_nails (1) -> nails (52143)
create alias monotone_pawpads (1) -> pawpads (249431)
create alias monotone_hooves (0) -> hooves (134039)
create alias monotone_sheath (1) -> sheath (89321)
create alias monotone_toes (0) -> toes (421816)
create alias monotone_fingers (1) -> fingers (504101)
create alias monotone_claws (0) -> claws (536386)
create alias monotone_ears (6) -> ears (4)
create alias monotone_eyes (3) -> eyes (-9)

Reason: Retry of BUR

Approve above BUR first.

EDIT: The bulk update request #7239 (forum #397261) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #7237 (forum #397247) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The bulk update request #7239 (forum #397261) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

Sorry about that everyone. Sometimes when there are just the majority in collission, I gotta reject it and hunt down the other ones, then go back.