The bulk update request #1336 is pending approval.

remove implication jevil_(deltarune) (356) -> deltarune (17755)
remove implication jockington_(deltarune) (80) -> deltarune (17755)

Reason: These characters are uniquely named and do not need the suffix.

I'm gonna locally necromance this forum into here, since it's tangentially related discussion is about whether or not we should imply Deltarune -> Undertale.

https://e621.net/forum_topics/21250

As for my opinion, I'd like to see Toby Fox chip in on this. It's his chaotic creation at the end of the day, so whether he wants them to be separate franchises or the same is important. If Toby's gonna pull a Homestuck on us, though, this'll be the first of many complications...

Toby has mentioned that although they're completely different worlds, they're still connected that way.

As it stands, images containing Alphys are winding up being tagged as Undertale regardless of whether they're Deltarune or Undertale Alphys, and if you just removed the implication, what would you do for images that are "just Alphys"?
Alphys looks mildly different, but she's still an anime nerd who hangs out around trash.
Undyne still has her eye and hadn't ever actually met Alphys due to police work and teacher work not interacting in an open setting, but Undyne's still the "NGAAAAH GOTTA SUPLEX EVERYTHING" kind of person.
Everybody keeps their same personality, just different experiences based on who they were forced to meet in Undertale compared to how they could live their life in Deltarune's open world. If we somehow kept them separate, we'd need to remove any Undertale characters' implications and make an umbrella tag to imply instead, because the majority of characters seen in Undertale have already shown up in Deltarune, and the few exceptions will probably show up soon after.

The alternative is the reverse it; there's a very subtle implication that Asriel created the game of Undertale in the world of Deltarune, which would make it all Deltarune content anyways.

Edit: Another relevant thread is topic #28876. Somebody attempted to remove implications because the characters showed up in both games. That was denied without much discussion, but I imagine it's the lack of an umbrella tag to imply instead.

furrin_gok said:
Edit: Another relevant thread is topic #28876. Somebody attempted to remove implications because the characters showed up in both games. That was denied without much discussion, but I imagine it's the lack of an umbrella tag to imply instead.

I'm not sure about the current proposal of the BUR, but having an undertale_(series) tag that could be implied by both undertale and deltarune separately instead sounds nice.

We need to keep in mind that both series' names are just anagrams of each other. As such, and given the state of this website, my suggestion is to alias both tags into a more pertinent title.

Therefore, my suggestion is to alias both series names to either Nut Dealer or Nude Alert

...no
simply...no.
Can't believe ya even tried.

closetpossum said:
...no
simply...no.
Can't believe ya even tried.

Who tried what? You gotta type out your entire statement.

I'm all for implying Deltarune to Undertale, as they can definitely be considered part of the same franchise, but I don't see the point of aliasing it and doing away with the tag entirely. It makes sense not to have tags for sequels (e.g. Kung Fu Panda 2 or Star Fox 64), where it would be hard to tell which specific sequel a picture of Po Ping or Fox McCloud is from, but as Deltarune's characters seem to be canonically separate from Undertale, I'd treat it the same way we treat the_legend_of_zelda, where each game is a self-contained story and we have implied tags for each of the major games.

jockjamdoorslam said:
I'm all for implying Deltarune to Undertale, as they can definitely be considered part of the same franchise, but I don't see the point of aliasing it and doing away with the tag entirely. It makes sense not to have tags for sequels (e.g. Kung Fu Panda 2 or Star Fox 64), where it would be hard to tell which specific sequel a picture of Po Ping or Fox McCloud is from, but as Deltarune's characters seem to be canonically separate from Undertale, I'd treat it the same way we treat the_legend_of_zelda, where each game is a self-contained story and we have implied tags for each of the major games.

In that case, Deltarune should not imply Undertale, but some other umbrella tag that the characters should also imply. For instance, currently Alphys implies Undertale, but she also appears in Deltarune. So if someone draws her Deltarune incarnation and tags it Alphys and Deltarune, it'll also be tagged Undertale through implication. If someone then wants to search for Alphys' Undertale incarnation by searching Alphys Undertale, that will also get results of her Deltarune incarnation.

That's how The Legend of Zelda works. That's the series' base tag that the common characters (Link, Princess Zelda, etc) imply, but there's separate tags to use for the different games' incarnations. Only characters exclusive to a given game imply that specific game, the others just use the common game-agnostic tag.

Based on topic #30806 I have heavily modified the BUR into something more reasonable--I hadn't thought when building this to have an umbrella tag but that makes much more sense.
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I don't see why get rid of the suffixes. Sure, there may not be other characters with the exact same names around at the moment, but they are not unique enough to make it very improbable that a disambiguation would ever be needed.

gattonero2001 said:
I don't see why get rid of the suffixes. Sure, there may not be other characters with the exact same names around at the moment, but they are not unique enough to make it very improbable that a disambiguation would ever be needed.

I don't really agree with that. Aliases to having the suffix have been denied even when they seemed like common terms, and these two don't seem nearly as common.