How many of you guys have been or know someone who has been in a toxic relationship?

I lost my best friend to one and I genuinely wish to know am I in the wrong? Should I have just let it go and moved on? Was I right to keep intervining?

Here's the story. Buckle up it's a long one. For the record this is the truth. I did not alter anything or leave anything out. This is exactly what happened. Obviously he would say otherwise but it's all from his mouth so really he'd be denying himself. I am more than willing to provide proof but I am no longer in the DM with him on Discord.

So they started dating last year in January before the pandemic hit. I was supportive of him like a friend should be. He had issues before that he never elaborated on past being in five relationships prior. Things seemed to be going well...sort of. He was having issues in bed and has even said she won't do much of anything. I started hearing from him less and less over time and was feeling neglected. I remained patient with him dispite the fact that he started talking on the phone with her for longer and longer periods. This would go on until he started actively ditching me out of nowhere. I voiced my feelings on the matter through Discord rather angerily and repeatedly. Eventually I couldn't take it and gave him an ultimatim: either cut his phone time down or end our friendship. I wasn't thinking clearly when I did this and perhaps may have overeacted. He said he was glad I brought it up because he had been thinking of ending our friendship for a few weeks stating I was being selfish and toxic but never gave any examples of either. He said he hadn't wanted to be my friend for the past six months. He is a liar whether he wants to acknowledge it or not because three months prior to the hook up he had offered to let my boyfriend and I move in with him when he got a new appartment which I accepted after talking to my boyfriend about it. He said he was done with me and my agenda I was forcing on him. I haven't a clue what he means by my agenda. I haven't forced him to do anything. I wasn't being selfish nor toxic. His girlfriend was the one taking all of his time not me. He used me as scapegoat for what she was doing. We split for around three or four months.

After trying to patch things up twice he decided to give me a second chance. We laid some ground rules and accepted them. I would let him have time with his girlfriend (didn't make sense since I wasn't preventing him in the first place) as long as he wouldn't ditch me when are playing together. Didn't last long. He broke the rules immediately and twisted it saying I misunderstood and it meant when we were mid mission or quest. Eventually he just gave up on the rules but I didn't. He would never mute himself when on the phone with her and I could hear them both clearly as he used video chat on Discord. Apparently she was overworking herself and was exhausted all the time. She wanted more hours and he was concerned she'd succumb to Karoshi (death by overwork). It's a common thing over in Asia and since she's Vietnamese it made sense. He "tried" to talk her out of it many times. The problem is he isn't assertive in the slightest. She was supposed to be going to therapy and taking medicine for her issues but wasn't and he was enabling this. She even wanted a second job. I don't know what ever came of this. I was alitte concerned and tried offering him advice but he didn't want it. It seemed to be getting worse and worse. He said she still wouldn't do much in bed. I started realizing the situation was becoming toxic for him and warned him repeatedly. He blew it off as me being selfish. Eventually she started calling more and more often and she wanted a dog. He initially didn't want her to have one but gave in due to his lack of assertiveness. Her mom didn't want her to have a dog but she didn't care. They waited a week for her to think it through but I'm pretty positive (like 100% positive) neither of them thought it over. They get a small dog and she doesn't want to wait to pick it up pretty much whining about it. Eventually they get the dog and just as I said it wasn't thought over which he admitted to. They had to juggle the poor thing between houses and he couldn't even control the dog at all. I told him he needs to show he's the alpha but he couldn't do it. She decides she wants to make TicToc videos of the dog which didn't sit well with him but he didn't do anything about it. Her true colors started to show when she came over to shoot a video against his wishes as it was too late. This happened while he and I were racing each other in Ocarina of Time. I hadn't known she came over anyway until afterwards. I had been sitting there with my gamecube idling waiting for him as he asked me to wait as he'd be back. I messaged him a few times with no response. Eventually he responds saying he was coming back and needed to say something. He said he didn't reply because he didn't trust me and was afraid it would start an argument if he had said she came over anyway. I actually wasn't mad about that. I was mad and hurt that he wouldn't give me the benefit of the doubt. All I had wanted to know was if he was coming back soon because I didn't want to break my gamecube by letting it idle so long. He just needed to confirm it for me and that would have been all. She would abuse his inability to say no all the time. Eventually he had to move his computer (he had to work from home during the pandemic because he was high risk) to her house just to watch the dog because all of their plans fell through because her friend's parents couldn't commit. He would have to drive back and forth between houses because his mom can't live on her on due to reasons not disclosed to me. I garuntee she didn't do a thing for that dog when she watched it.

The shit she pulled I'm not sure how she ever held a job. He said she had multiple which only means she couldn't stay for very clear reasons judging by her actions and only has a job now because she works for her parents at their store. I am certain for that. I warned him again about the toxic relationship but he claimed I didn't know the full story which is a lie because I heard all of their conversations on the phone. Also the truth came out that he wasn't just talking he was playing videogames which is what we did. He had no excuse to not have the three of us in a call for that. Her parents don't know english and she can wear earbuds if it's loud. My brother's friends do this all the time no issue. His only excuse was that he didn't trust me. I had changed since the first split but he can't give me the benfit of the doubt. He is the only one to think I'm just an asshole 24/7 whereas all my other friends told me they cherish my friendship. He was on and off looking for a house for them. He was going to look at one the one day on a day I would have been able to talk to him. I wasn't mad about it as I understood. I messaged him that day forgetting that but remembering shortly thereafter and asked if he would be on later. I got no response at all. Next day he said he never saw it. He said he went to his girlfriend's house after having called his mom and telling her. A flatout lie. I asked a few people (including my brother) if my messages popped up in their notifications and they said they did. He always said they didn't so I always pinged him so it would. Had he called his mom he would have seen the message on his lock screen. I replied that he didn't even look. He flatout abandoned his mom for her. Days prior he told me he'd be on at a certain time and I immediately called him out on it as the time was when she usually calls. All he said was we'll see. True to form he wouldn't be on until hours later for the exact reason I said.

The last day we talked went bad. He got on and started a party. I saw the notification on my ipad. I switched over to my ps4 and while that was booting up saw he left a message. He saw I changed my icon to a Treecko. I posted the full image for him not noticing he said he'd be back as he was going to get fast food with his mom. Fine no problem. So while I was waiting he appeared to be having internet issues because his name kept going on and offline twelve times. He finally gets back and joins the party...only to immediately mute himself to talk on the phone without saying a word to me. It only lasted a few minutes but I was done with this. When he got back I let him have it. I yelled at him that she did not need to call him every damn day as they see each other all the time and it can wait. He asked if I was done. I said that depends on whether or not he was done being an asshole and done giving me the shaft. He cracked a joke that my boyfriend should be the one giving me the shaft. I told him this isn't the time for jokes. I watched him play Days Gone for awhile but we were having shareplay issues and eventually gave up on it. He said something about her work to which I said she was the one who wanted more hours. He said her mom did that not her. I wanted so badly to call him out on the blatent lie because she was the one who wanted more hours according to him. I let it slide. Eventually I started playing RE8 when he left to talk to her. At about 10:30 I texted him that I would be making a pizza around 11:30 whether or not he was back. He whined that I should do it earlier because he planned on being back by 11. I told him I couldn't because I can't eat for awhile after taking meds for my thyroid. I also said sarcastically that he wouldn't need to plan on being back if his life wasn't controlled by toxic selfish pussy. 11:30 rolls around and he isn't back. I go to get up and notice he's texting me. I told him not to bother because I didn't want to hear his excuses. Apparently he can't read sarcasm or take a joke ever. He told me he was done with me. He said he was sick of my attitude. He regrets giving me the second chance. A lie since he was excited to talk to me again. He said he's sick of me pushing my agenda on him. What agenda? He said "one day when you have a life and are in a relationship you'll understand that things need to be pushed back." That triggered me hard. He's using the fact that I can't work due to personal issues as a means that I have no life. He has no life because his is in shambles and he refuses to see it. He's stating I have no relationship just because it is long distance. Not only is my boyfriend and my relationship stronger than his we've been together longer (four years now) and love and respect each other and are making the most of it until we can be together. He's got nothing. His girlfriend doesn't love nor respect him at all. She's using and abusing him and he's blind to it out of desperation. I've never heard her once say she loves him when they are on the phone. He claims I don't understand relationships saying I'm an autistic crippled fuck and laughing about it. He doesn't understand relationships which is why he's on his sixth. Being in a relationship doesn't mean push everyone else away. He was in disbelief when I told him my mom was fine with my dad hanging out with his friends. The concept of having friends while in a relationship is lost on him. I'm on my second relationship. I understand how they work. The first didn't workout because it wasn't real. It was only infatuation and I was too young to know better. This one is real. I know I love him and he returns it.

It's funny because I saw this coming before the first split but no one believed me thinking I was just crazy and jealous. They realized I was right during the second chance. I even showed him the conversation which he blew off as me not knowing everything and exaggerating. Is it exaggerating if it's directly from his mouth? Is it me not knowing everything if it's his own words? He seems to think my attempts at opening his eyes were just for personal gain. I was concerned for his wellbeing as a good friend should. He seems to think I was trying to drive them apart. While not initially true it became true near the end. I was explicitly clear with him that I wasn't saying they should split up but that things needed to change.

It's sad how this went. We had been friends for a decade having met back in 2011 on xbox. We ended up not talking for several years because while I was grounded he sold his xbox for a ps3 without telling me. I only found that out from my other friends. Eventually a now exfriend had told me his skype name. I contacted him and after jumping from place to place to talk found we both had Discord. Eventually he bought himself a ps4 and we finally played again after many years. We had fun until three years later where it ended. I admit I had been a real dick but I learned from my mistakes and changed for the better. He ended up becoming a dick out of blind obession for someone who doesn't love nor respect him. My boyfriend saw this saying he was an asshole and he was right. I should have listened. I tried to get them to hangout on Steam but they kept saying the other was ignoring them. They didn't get along at all looking back. Karma will bite him for this.

None of the relationships I just read about sound ideal but most importantly the theme of this story is you're mad that you don't control his life or schedule.
Sometimes you just gotta let people go down bad paths, and you can tell 'em what you think of it but you don't own them.

magnuseffect said:
None of the relationships I just read about sound ideal but most importantly the theme of this story is you're mad that you don't control his life or schedule.
Sometimes you just gotta let people go down bad paths, and you can tell 'em what you think of it but you don't own them.

I know I don't own him. I never tried to control him. I was very clear about that. He's always had a choice with me. She's the one controlling him. His life is falling apart because of her. Either way it's done and he's gone and I couldn't be happier. I'm not his scapegoat anymore. I no longer play 2nd fiddle to a bitch. He's not getting any sympathy from me when he comes crawling back.

I had a toxic “friendship” with someone before.

For the sake of confidentiality, let’s call him ‘Cartman’. I chose this name because he’s very much like the one from South Park, except more intentionally annoying.

He’d make rude remarks about people’s recently deceased loved ones, taking our circle’s dark humor to levels that weren’t even humorous anymore.

He would literally SPIT in our faces if we said something that annoyed him, but would judge us if we told him he was being obnoxious.

One time, Cartman wanted to mess with me by convincing me to buy my first scratcher at a gas station, because I mentioned to him that my religion doesn’t like gambling. He had an extraordinary silver tongue, almost supernaturally good at convincing people to do things, I’ll give him that. However, when I bought my first-ever scratcher, I ended up winning 20 dollars! Cartman got jealously pissed off, and tried stealing it away from me for the rest of the Day. That was annoying.

He’d also give me flat tires whenever the three of us were walking… And I was wearing SANDLES! I ended up bleeding after we got back to the car, and he dismissed it as “Oh, I didn’t know that would happen”. Seriously though, did he not grasp basic laws of physics? >:|

He also got supremely jealous of me, and would alway want time solely with ‘Stan’, my best friend (Which on terms of South Park references, makes me ‘Kyle’). He’d always text my bestie nonstop, to the point ‘Stan’ only wanted to hang out with me. This made Cartman only more jealous.

Later on, I ended up exploding at him verbally, then threw a few punches. He almost got knocked out, but luckily wasn’t a fan of calling police. Afterwards, I dished out the worst text I possibly could towards him. I mentioned how he was a sad drunk, and an immature prick with Daddy issues. So we ended our “Friendship” there.

‘Stan’ doesn’t talk to him anymore, since he’s become excessively more annoying. Nobody in our circles likes him, and he’s pretty much left friendless.

After that, he ended up stalking both of us, and taking advantage of our family’s ignorance of his issues. I’m talking about full-on drive-by’s, and hiding in bushes! He acted all nice towards our relatives, trying to get close to us again. It was creepy as Hell!

Nowadays, he has a Wife. However, they’ve literally never had sex in 5 Years. He even made a horrible nickname for her, for no reason, which he spread throughout our circles. He called her FATaly, because of her weight problem. I won’t deny that I laughed a little bit, but it was still an awful name to give to this girl, who I knew to be a very kind person.

The best thing you can do with toxic people is block them off every facet of your life, then make sure everyone else knows to do the same for you. Surround yourself with those who care to keep you safe as well. It’s as simple as being assertive, and saying “No, I’m not dealing with this. Fuck you, I’m going home.”

nathmurr said:
I had a toxic “friendship” with someone before.

For the sake of confidentiality, let’s call him ‘Cartman’. I chose this name because he’s very much like the one from South Park, except more intentionally annoying.

He’d make rude remarks about people’s recently deceased loved ones, taking our circle’s dark humor to levels that weren’t even humorous anymore.

He would literally SPIT in our faces if we said something that annoyed him, but would judge us if we told him he was being obnoxious.

One time, Cartman wanted to mess with me by convincing me to buy my first scratcher at a gas station, because I mentioned to him that my religion doesn’t like gambling. He had an extraordinary silver tongue, almost supernaturally good at convincing people to do things, I’ll give him that. However, when I bought my first-ever scratcher, I ended up winning 20 dollars! Cartman got jealously pissed off, and tried stealing it away from me for the rest of the Day. That was annoying.

He’d also give me flat tires whenever the three of us were walking… And I was wearing SANDLES! I ended up bleeding after we got back to the car, and he dismissed it as “Oh, I didn’t know that would happen”. Seriously though, did he not grasp basic laws of physics? >:|

He also got supremely jealous of me, and would alway want time solely with ‘Stan’, my best friend (Which on terms of South Park references, makes me ‘Kyle’). He’d always text my bestie nonstop, to the point ‘Stan’ only wanted to hang out with me. This made Cartman only more jealous.

Later on, I ended up exploding at him verbally, then threw a few punches. He almost got knocked out, but luckily wasn’t a fan of calling police. Afterwards, I dished out the worst text I possibly could towards him. I mentioned how he was a sad drunk, and an immature prick with Daddy issues. So we ended our “Friendship” there.

‘Stan’ doesn’t talk to him anymore, since he’s become excessively more annoying. Nobody in our circles likes him, and he’s pretty much left friendless.

After that, he ended up stalking both of us, and taking advantage of our family’s ignorance of his issues. I’m talking about full-on drive-by’s, and hiding in bushes! He acted all nice towards our relatives, trying to get close to us again. It was creepy as Hell!

Nowadays, he has a Wife. However, they’ve literally never had sex in 5 Years. He even made a horrible nickname for her, for no reason, which he spread throughout our circles. He called her FATaly, because of her weight problem. I won’t deny that I laughed a little bit, but it was still an awful name to give to this girl, who I knew to be a very kind person.

The best thing you can do with toxic people is block them off every facet of your life, then make sure everyone else knows to do the same for you. Surround yourself with those who care to keep you safe as well. It’s as simple as being assertive, and saying “No, I’m not dealing with this. Fuck you, I’m going home.”

He sounds like someone I went to school with. Really I used to go to school with a douche like that. I'd say I feel lucky now that it was online but my ex-best friend actually lives within two hours from me. We did have plans to hang out irl at some point but he took too long to pass his driving test and then this virus happened so it never happened. The fact remains the same he couldn't keep a promise to save his life. I'll accept that things don't always go as planned but it's a dick move to make plans with someone then straight up abandon them just because your girlfriend called especially when you see them all the damn time. Like I said before the idea of having friends while in a relationship is lost on him. Also he'll say something then deny he ever said it blaming it on me for mishearing him.

I really don't know how he and I became friends in the first place. We have almost nothing in common. I don't feel like I lost anything by losing him. My other online friends cherish me and that's good enough for me. I do wish things could have gone differently but he's an ass and I don't need him...well I relied on him to keep me sane. He was really my only reliable social interaction. I may be introverted but I can only go so long without interaction before slowly going insane from loneliness.

Also I like throwing insults back and forth with my friends. We laugh about it. He, on the otherhand, couldn't take it. He dished it out but could never take it and it always made me mad. He takes things too literally. I said it before he is the only one who thought I was an ass. I used to have this online persona and he couldn't understand that it wasn't how I normally act. I grew out of it but he assumed I was still doing it. I know I can come off as a douchy asshole but really I'm warm and friendly. I am a friend who listens to my friends' problems and tries to help them. He could never see what my other friends saw purely because he could never trust me. He outright stated he didn't trust me. He also judged the hell out of me and would get pissed if I called him out on it.

I just hope he understands what he lost, that if he ever comes crawling back that I will not forgive him so easily nor show any sympathy. I may be an "autistic crippled fuck" but my life hasn't gone to shit like his.

magnuseffect said:
None of the relationships I just read about sound ideal but most importantly the theme of this story is you're mad that you don't control his life or schedule.
Sometimes you just gotta let people go down bad paths, and you can tell 'em what you think of it but you don't own them.

Naah dudes this happens all the time. Guy has close circle of male friends that get along great, guy gets a girlfriend that's really nosy and entitled and thinks she's gonna be his wife, immediately fucking destroys his relationships both with other men and women. It's a tool narcissists do to isolate their victims from friends and family. And women are especially good at doing this because these days girls tend to be more socially aware and manipulative than men can cope with. At some point, the male in this subject has to say No, enough is enough. Sadly it hardly happens.

forthencho2 said:
Naah dudes this happens all the time. Guy has close circle of male friends that get along great, guy gets a girlfriend that's really nosy and entitled and thinks she's gonna be his wife, immediately fucking destroys his relationships both with other men and women. It's a tool narcissists do to isolate their victims from friends and family. And women are especially good at doing this because these days girls tend to be more socially aware and manipulative than men can cope with. At some point, the male in this subject has to say No, enough is enough. Sadly it hardly happens.

He's blindly obessed with her to the point where he is blind to the fact that she neither loves him nor wants to fuck him. She's using him for her own personal gain. His mom can't live on her own and she is tearing him away from her and he can't see it. He refuses to listen to reason instead blaming everything on me. His college "friends" abandoned him when they had the chance. Besides another girl he barely talked to I was his only friend and he tossed me away for pussy that he can't even have. According to him she is extremely reserved in bed but that's clearly a lie since it's obvious she doesn't want to fuck him. He claims he never trusted me and always lies to me and whines when I call him out on it. He thinks I'm exaggerating things but that can't be possible if it's coming from his mouth to begin with. He can't even put his foot down with her as he has no backbone and she abuses this. She is so toxic anyone can see it...anyone but him apparently. He doesn't even care that she doesn't take her meds or go to her therapy sessions and even enables it. He claims I don't have the full story but there's no story needed to see what's going on. It's all excuses from him. Personally I'm glad he's gone because now he has no one but his mom to fall back to when things go sour. For his sake he better end things before marrige or else it'll end with divorce and he'll be cleaned out by her. He'll come crawling back but I am not showing him an ounce of sympathy. I don't even think his mom knows what's going on. All of my friends, my boyfriend and even my brother can see what's going on yet he is too blinded by his desperation. But what do I know I'm only an autistic crippled fuck that doesn't know any better according to him.

I had a friend I considered close to me a couple of years ago in high school, and I'm still not over him.

He was pretty nice, if a little anti-semitic. We used to play video games and chat a lot about life and stuff, and for a short while he even took a romantic interest in me and we stayed up long nights just talking to each other on Telegram. It wasn't a perfect relationship from the start, I was a hot head and the guy was just always moping and I felt just playing games. For instance he acted like he wanted to spend time with me, then just changed his mind or avoided me entirely. In my case, it got so bad that one day after pressing him some he called me out on it. I know it wasn't cool me just being angry as much as I was, and I resolved to change. I did, after some anger therapy I got a grasp on my anger and felt like a better person. So we spent time with each other again, there were a few times when I slipped, but I didn't let it get as bad as before. I guess that wasn't enough for that other person, because I never felt like they forgave me or accepted what I tried to fix. Even worse, they started really coming onto me, supposedly admitting that they've always liked me and just wanted me so bad. From there on out, all of our conversations just kept being redirected to that and I was missing the gaming and other talk. There was nothing for me anymore and I just had to cut the idiot off. I did, and he tried reaching out to me again. So I made it clear I didn't want to see him anymore. Sucks too, cause there were some times I really liked his company. But in the end, he didn't really accept me and got kind of creepy.

buttlover2021 said:
I had a friend I considered close to me a couple of years ago in high school, and I'm still not over him.

He was pretty nice, if a little anti-semitic. We used to play video games and chat a lot about life and stuff, and for a short while he even took a romantic interest in me and we stayed up long nights just talking to each other on Telegram. It wasn't a perfect relationship from the start, I was a hot head and the guy was just always moping and I felt just playing games. For instance he acted like he wanted to spend time with me, then just changed his mind or avoided me entirely. In my case, it got so bad that one day after pressing him some he called me out on it. I know it wasn't cool me just being angry as much as I was, and I resolved to change. I did, after some anger therapy I got a grasp on my anger and felt like a better person. So we spent time with each other again, there were a few times when I slipped, but I didn't let it get as bad as before. I guess that wasn't enough for that other person, because I never felt like they forgave me or accepted what I tried to fix. Even worse, they started really coming onto me, supposedly admitting that they've always liked me and just wanted me so bad. From there on out, all of our conversations just kept being redirected to that and I was missing the gaming and other talk. There was nothing for me anymore and I just had to cut the idiot off. I did, and he tried reaching out to me again. So I made it clear I didn't want to see him anymore. Sucks too, cause there were some times I really liked his company. But in the end, he didn't really accept me and got kind of creepy.

He never took my feelings into account ever. He wasn't required to do this but I asked him several times to give me a heads up if she was coming over. He would always tell me last minute which made it look like she dropped in unexpectedly. He would also talk to her while she drive over instead of waiting. Her car has that hands free thing but I still don't think you should talk on the phone while driving like that. Because of that he deemed it alright not taking her safety into account. He would use bullshit excuses like he wanted to talk to her so he'd know when she was there instead of her just knocking on the door like a normal person would. He couldn't spare me a little extra time nor could she learn to text. Another thing his obsession is so great that he put himself and his mom in danger during the start of the pandemic because the city his "girlfriend" lives in was hit hard and he lives just outside of it. They still hung out at his place and went out to places which he is stupid for doing so when he's high risk. Her aunt got infected (she lived) and she was in contact with her since her aunt lives with her. Instead of quarantining herself she exposed herself to him and he's lucky she didn't get infected and spread it to him. He acts like he's conjoined at the hip with her and can't function without her. Something doesn't sit right with me. Not that he needs to but he's never mentioned her until right before they started dating. He claims to have known her for fourteen years but never once mentioned her existence. He's talked about his exs, another girl, and his college friends but never her until then. The whole thing feels fishy since he only mentioned her right before the hookup. Since he's a known liar it would make sense but would be a weird lie. I asked him why, if he's known her for that long, he didn't try before. He claims the timing wasn't right. That begs the question why did he try with other girls then? If he felt nothing for her then why would he now? This whole thing feels rushed and out of nowhere. At least I know for certain that I love my boyfriend and it wasn't a spur of the moment thing. The more I think about it the faker his relationship becomes.

I was in the same boat but I broke up. I' single now but it's better for me

I have been in toxic, and ultra-toxic relationships.

=(.

But what I think now, is that most of the time the blame was on me, for having unreal expectations about other people. The best will be always to talk the things in advance, how do you feel about anything (and everything). Maybe the other person sees and expect things that are not what you want or could give.

And even after talking, you may face later with lies and betrayal.

However, if you are young, you still have the advantage - if you are lucky - of seeing the things in perspective. You could have better relationships in the future, and much more so, if you learn from your current experience.

mexicanfurry said:
I have been in toxic, and ultra-toxic relationships.

=(.

But what I think now, is that most of the time the blame was on me, for having unreal expectations about other people. The best will be always to talk the things in advance, how do you feel about anything (and everything). Maybe the other person sees and expect things that are not what you want or could give.

And even after talking, you may face later with lies and betrayal.

However, if you are young, you still have the advantage - if you are lucky - of seeing the things in perspective. You could have better relationships in the future, and much more so, if you learn from your current experience.

I have the advantage of being in less relationships than him that's for sure. Mainly because I don't rush it like he does. I'm telling you his marriage (when he does get married that is. Hell they started talking about it and planned it when they first started dating. It's only been two years and they haven't even moved in yet) won't last long and will end up with him fucked over. He can't see that she's using him and taking advantage of the fact that he can't tell her no and mean it. She very clearly doesn't love him or if she does she's got a very toxic way of showing it. Nothing says I love you like taking advantage of him. How could she love him if she doesn't respect him? Everyone but him sees this. His obsession is making him blind to the truth and it's causing him to push everyone away.

Love is a kind of insanity. Reality doesn't intrude unless it punches hard. It takes a very self-aware person to see through their lunacy, and very few people are.

clawstripe said:
Love is a kind of insanity. Reality doesn't intrude unless it punches hard. It takes a very self-aware person to see through their lunacy, and very few people are.

I learned that from my first "relationship". It was nothing but infatuation and I didn't know better. I know for sure this time though it's not infatuation it's pure undying love. He's been in six and still doesn't know that.

nathmurr said:
He would literally SPIT in our faces if we said something that annoyed him, but would judge us if we told him he was being obnoxious.

If someone spit in my face, I guarantee that would be the only time that would happen, and they most certainly would not be my friend anymore.