I think it's about time we get rid of this.. sickening term.

It's probably the most offensive thing you can call this sub-gender, and is just a relic from the extremely vulgar ex-administration. In response, I would like to see the site choose a different synonym for it.

shemale: the actual correct term in english, still considered vulgar to some

futanari: non-vulgar, term is used in japan as the correct term, considered non vulgar

futa: semi popular, slightly weeaboo, shortened anime term

andromorphic-female: scientific term for it.. a bit long and I'm sure none of you have even heard it XD

I want to hear your thoughts about these terms first and foremost.

The goal is to take the sting off of these terms so people won't get upset when tagged.

I'm for andromorphic-female. If everything else would be aliased to this then length, and whether tag is commonly used wouldn't be important in search. Since we're using gay, and lesbian and not yaoi/yuri then futanari would feel out of place.

Also if futanari is term used to name dickgirl then why it is aliased to herm instead?

Shemale kind of reminds me of ladyboy. I expect that it'd be misunderstood and mistagged a lot.

Futanari seems synonymous with herms. I know that it's occasionally used in other ways, but it is almost always translated as hermaphrodite. Wouldn't be a good replacement. I think it should stay aliased to herm.

Andromorphic-female (and gynomorphic-male for cuntboys?) is a mouthful, but it still seems less problematic than the others.

People get buttmad over tags? Lol. I prefer futa or futanari myself.

I don't find anything particularly offensive or vulgar about it, it does its job of describing what it's being used for perfectly. I could see if we were calling females penis_worshippers or baby_producers, but let's get real here. We're talking about someone getting mad over a silly tag. I mean, come the hell on now.

If furries don't want to be labeled in 'weird' ways, then they should probably stop making female characters with four dicks and a vagina nose.

We need to create a new word. How about "peniswoman"? It's not offensive and is accurate :P

But if we go the furry road, "futa/futanari" is more used. And I'm more towards it. Or alias futa to andromorphic-female if you want users to learn something new I did

Yeah, short tags are usually accepted. I'm for the change to 'futa'

I'm thinking futa would be a good choice overall. It's short and to the point.

Rocket_Corgi said:
I don't find anything particularly offensive or vulgar about it, it does its job of describing what it's being used for perfectly. I could see if we were calling females penis_worshippers or baby_producers, but let's get real here. We're talking about someone getting mad over a silly tag. I mean, come the hell on now.

If furries don't want to be labeled in 'weird' ways, then they should probably stop making female characters with four dicks and a vagina nose.

If you HAD to pick though.. what would you do...

"Andromorphic_Male."

Because I like to imagine all the "aughhh" when having to type this whole thing out.

Aurali said:
If you HAD to pick though.. what would you do...

Leave it be. It's a perfectly descriptive tag, and I cannot honestly say that I've ever seen anyone commenting on it being vulgar or offensive.

I vote for andromorphic-female and gynomorphic-male to replace cuntboy

Peekaboo said:
I can't see why it would need to be changed, but if it's a forced change, then I'd go with shemale or futa.

It's basically the equivalent of "Nigger" or "Chink" to the respective races.

Peekaboo said:
I wouldn't really go that far, but I don't really see the point in changing into a less vulgar terms for someone who is taking a billion dicks up the pooper on the image that is tagged.

It looks like a girl, but it's got a dick. Dickgirl. Going so far as calling it the same as derogatory terms like "Nigger" is ridiculous.

Futanari is wrong, wrong, wrong to use to describe Shemales. The term futanari is for herms only.

I do agree that both dickgirl and shemale are both fairly impolite terms to the trans community, but on the other hand are very commonly used and not considered very offensive in the porn community or to cis people in general. I don't think that there -is- a good, neutral, non-offensive term for this gender in wide spread use. What about "Newhalf"? It seems pretty neutral to me but is not very widely used.

Google says~
Dickgirl: About 1,950,000 results
Shemale: About 224,000,000 results

Futanari: About 14,400,000 results
ふたなり: About 4,730,000 results

Newhalf: About 1,150,000 results
ニューハーフ: About 9,830,000 results

I'd go with "Shemale" simply because that is the most commonly used term and with "Newhalf" as the social justice option if we want to go that way.

If you're gonna be so sensitive about it,I'd go with shemale.

It's simple and supposedly less vulgar than "dickgirl".

Breasts + penis = Shemale
Small breasts (limit flat) + penis = Male + Transgender
no breasts + big nipples + penis = Male + Transgender
no breasts + feminine body = Male + Girly
penis + pussy = Herm
no breasts + Male body (shoulder) = Cuntboy

I agree with Aurali.
For me, a dickgirl is a feminine body, feminine face, big breasts big dick, big balls (a monster sum)

Andromorphic-female could be shortened to 'androfem'.

Not offensive and easy to remember.

Pyke said:
It looks like a girl, but it's got a dick. Dickgirl. Going so far as calling it the same as derogatory terms like "Nigger" is ridiculous.

Peekaboo said:
I wouldn't really go that far, but I don't really see the point in changing into a less vulgar terms for someone who is taking a billion dicks up the pooper on the image that is tagged. < [Exaggerated example by the way]

Dominion said:
If you're gonna be so sensitive about it,I'd go with shemale.

It's simple and supposedly less vulgar than "dickgirl".

it just sounds offensive, dick itself is a very vulgar term :p. I can see why people get so butthurt over being called the term.

Aurali said:
it just sounds offensive, dick itself is a very vulgar term :p. I can see why people get so butthurt over being called the term.

Dick is still better than cock.
How about Penisgirl?

If you want to go by biological terms, Intersex is the most correct, but is a blanket term for everything outside the non-binary, so it covers both boobs-dick-vag and boobs-dick and dick-vag

Shemale, dickgirl and herm/hermaphrodite are all derogatory slurs in the trans* community, and there doesn't seem to be any good replacements.

Futanari is usually boobs+vag+dick, but I don't think there's a Japanese equivalent for boobs+dick-vag?

we've got lots of offensive tags on this site, Pussy, cum_in_ass etc. We should change those too.

But I agree it's asinine to say Dickgirl is just as offensive as "Nigger".

Shemale. That is the "standard" term for newbies to the whole world of trans. If you are offended by the term, then you probably shouldn't be on what ultimately amounts to a porn site. I'm not aware of any mainstream porn sites that actually use PC terms for transgender people, so...

As for the others:

• Futanari/futa is not a valid replacement since it mostly refers to herms in terms of e621 tagging.
• Andromorphic-female is too scientific and complex for most taggers. It will not be accepted by the entire community without some serious education efforts.

The only "sting" I've seen about the term is how it's used to tag herm characters without visible pussies, but TWYS is the underlying problem there, and the day TWYS is abandoned is the day a whole lot of people are going to stop using e621.

Snowmew said:
...and the day TWYS is abandoned is the day a whole lot of people are going to stop using e621.

Amen.

I totally understand the heart of TWYS, but for established or known characters, can't the common sense rule come into play? I'm not seeing the harm in that.

futanari seems like the most logical and practical term to use, in my opinion.

Puritanical whining.

Dogenzaka said:
I prefer futa or futanari myself.

Me too.

Wait, so people take offense when a girl with a dick is called a dickgirl? Isn't that like, the easiest thing that describes it, you know, being a female and having a penis...
also, I always thought futa was a girl character with a dick, but no breasts or something like that.

LordAshnard said:
futanari seems like the most logical and practical term to use, in my opinion.

Fucking how?

Dickgirl is perfectly fine, it tells exactly what you're looking for. Just female with a dick. Nothing in between. Herm/Hermaphrodite tells what you're looking for too, it's biologically a hermaphrodite.

It isn't a derogatory term, it's very sensible and honestly I feel as if anyone that thinks it's derogatory is overly sensitive. It's just a way of distinguishing two different pictures on this website. We're not saying that is exactly what the character is, we're just saying that's what it looks like at the moment/in the picture. Nothing else.

So why people get upset over that is entirely beyond me because, as I've said before, this is an imageboard, not something to showcase certain characters. Tags should be as direct and obvious as possible.

Furthermore this term doesn't actually exist outside of the internet. No one IRL is going to be called a dickgirl. No, they'll be called a "shemale" or "tranny" if they have those parts, so the fact that it's being suggested by some that "shemale" be used is mindblowing.

Personally I don't care what it ends up being called as long as it's still very obvious what you're looking at/for and is a term that everyone can understand. Something like "andromorphic-female" isn't a term that everyone would understand, even "androfemale" is a little questionable as not everyone knows that term.

Furthermore I'll make an appeal toward tradition. A lot of things are changing, sure, yet this term has apparently been around for quite some time. Changing it now would mean that every single instance of it would have to be changed -and- unless searches were directed towards whatever term you're going to be using people looking for "dickgirl," not knowing the term was changed, would be very disappointed in seeing next to nothing.

Honestly it should be something that is obvious in meaning otherwise it could end up doing more harm than good. And I mean obvious for EVERYONE, not just the well educated.

(Jayfeather) said:
Wait, so people take offense when a girl with a dick is called a dickgirl? Isn't that like, the easiest thing that describes it, you know, being a female and having a penis...
also, I always thought futa was a girl character with a dick, but no breasts or something like that.

The problem is that a woman with a dick does not exist in reality.
This is a man who underwent surgery.
Same for the herms from the furry fandom. The real herms does not look like it because their penis is often small and atrophied. And a real herm never have testicles.

Aurali said:
dick itself is a very vulgar term :p.

Tricky dick,
Nixon HATED that nickname...

Futanari is usually boobs+vag+dick, but I don't think there's a Japanese equivalent for boobs+dick-vag?

That'd be shīmēru (シーメール). Which is a direct loan word from shemale.

Sigil said:
I totally understand the heart of TWYS, but for established or known characters, can't the common sense rule come into play? I'm not seeing the harm in that.

No, because known characters can change genders arbitrarily. Artica Sparkle is a good example.

Peekaboo said:
I'm not sure we should compare it to the real world uses for the term since we are taking about cartoon anthropomorphic animals. But that's just my opinion.

I think he means it's dumb to be offended because dickgirls aren't actually a real thing.

Peekaboo said:
I'm still not quite sure I understand why it needs to be changed. Is it because someone is offended their character is referred to as a dickgirl? Couldn't such an argument also be used to make it okay that anything anti-something that offends someone can be removed/changed?

That's another thing. This is a porn site. Ultimately, sure, I'm all for being polite, but dickgirl has been used for years now and the only viable solution would be to "downgrade" to shemale. Problem is, shemale is still considered offensive since it's actually used as an insult, where dickgirl isn't.

There is literally no safe word. Transgender seems to be the common alternative but it's as ambiguous as intersex.

It just seems like we're making a significant tagging change just to appease a select few people who are uncomfortable with the term. If we start arbitrarily changing tags because they're offensive, we start to have a tagging integrity problem.

Peekaboo said:
I'm not sure we should compare it to the real world uses for the term since we are taking about cartoon anthropomorphic animals. But that's just my opinion.

That's my thought as well, yet someone brought up the term shemale for dickgirl so Tau has a point. Yet we still should be realistic here as no one outside of the internet, meaning real people, are ever called a dickgirl. And hermaphrodites are called hermaphrodite or whichever gender they lean towards, so to speak.

So honestly I feel that saying "dickgirl" is a derogatory term is just over the top.

Snowmew said:
That's another thing. This is a porn site. Ultimately, sure, I'm all for being polite, but dickgirl has been used for years now and the only viable solution would be to "downgrade" to shemale. Problem is, shemale is still considered offensive since it's actually used as an insult, where dickgirl isn't.

There is literally no safe word. Transgender seems to be the common alternative but it's as ambiguous as intersex.

It just seems like we're making a significant tagging change just to appease a select few people who are uncomfortable with the term. If we start arbitrarily changing tags because they're offensive, we start to have a tagging integrity problem.

This, so much this. I cannot state how much I agree with every last little bit of Snowmew's post.

There is NO safe word if someone takes offense to "dickgirl," transgender doesn't really apply if the person did not change gender, and with tag what you see, which is a good rule for an IMAGE BOARD, which this is, transgender doesn't really apply unless you see the character changing gender. Furthermore, as Snowmew stated it is an ambiguous term, just like intersex. It could mean a male to female, female to male, or anywhere in between. That makes finding the image you want -very- tricky, which is what we should strive to not do on an image board.

Pseudonym said:
Puritanical whining.

Yeah, but a necessary evil.

...Personally, I have much more of a problem with "cuntboy". It's unnecessarily vulgar, just like "dickgirl", but even more so.
I hope this won't turn into a gender equality argument, but for equality's sake, I'll say I agree that we need to rethink all these kinds of terms. I support "futa" for dickgirl. No idea what to do about "cuntboy".

ArdesCadaver said:
I support "futa" for dickgirl. No idea what to do about "cuntboy".

I personally don't have much of a problem with changing cuntboy. It's more commonly considered offensive, I think. Problem is it has even less of a variety of alternatives.

And again, "futa" is a synonym to herms, not dickgirls.

Peekaboo said:
Another thing, If you get upset your character is being referred to as a term you don't like, and then throw a tantrum, isn't that a type of RP?

Acting as if it is yourself being "insulted" instead of your character. And yes, I know some people see themselves as their own characters, but lets face the facts, just because someone tags your character dickgirl doesn't mean you should take it as a personal insult. And since RP is forbidden... you can't get upset.

I think we're getting a bit too deep into the semantics here.

Rusteee said:
I think he means it's dumb to be offended because dickgirls aren't actually a real thing.

No, I mean just the opposite

How about vaginaless_herm

The problem with a lot of these terms is that they're not entirely accurate, even if slightly less offensive.
Futa/Futanari generally implies the same as herm, but also can mean what we use dickgirl for, if you go to a hentai booru(gelbooru for example) a search for dickgirl will return both vagina'd and non-vagina'd herms.

Shemale implies a male-to-female transgender, problematic if someone's character was born a dickgirl and doesn't want to imply that.

Andromorphic_female would work I guess, but I'm not sure how much people are going to like a long tag that they don't understand. May stop some TWYS gender arguments though because people just don't know what it means :P

Personally I'd vote to leave it alone.

I vote for dickgirl or shemale

Peekaboo said:
Probably, I'm just getting tired of drawn, fictional characters almost being given rights as if they were real people with real feelings.

Hammie said:
How about vaginaless_herm

That would be like calling a female a "penisless_herm".

I'm voting to keep it dickgirl.

Hammie said:
May stop some TWYS gender arguments though because people just don't know what it means :P

I think I found better option for stopping tag wars than proposed TWYS change. Let's make all tags in Latin. People won't know what they mean, so they won't argue.

Snowmew said:
That would be like calling a female a "penisless_male".

Nope, because that would be a genitalia-less person.
It would be like calling a female a "penisless_herm", but since we have a tag for female there's no need.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
I think I found better option for stopping tag wars than proposed TWYS change. Let's make all tags in Latin. People won't know what they mean, so they won't argue.

Or Brazilian Portugese.

brbr gibe_money_pls huehuehue

Hammie said:
Nope, because that would be a genitalia-less person.
It would be like calling a female a "penisless_herm", but since we have a tag for female there's no need.

Whoops, meant that, sorry. But similarly, we have a tag for dickgirl, so there's also no need.

Snowmew said:
...
Whoops, meant that, sorry. But similarly, we have a tag for dickgirl, so there's also no need.

Except they're proposing getting rid of "dickgirl" as a tag, hence replacement suggestions.

Hammie said:
Except they're proposing getting rid of "dickgirl" as a tag, hence replacement suggestions.

[sarcasm]I find the female tag offensive because it is cis-oriented and discriminates against womyn. Therefore it should be changed to independent_womyn because I am offended. Check your privilege.[/sarcasm]

Snowmew said:
[sarcasm]I find the female tag offensive because it is cis-oriented and discriminates against womyn. Therefore it should be changed to independent_womyn because I am offended. Check your privilege.[/sarcasm]

This, so much this. There's no issue here. The only issue is with people that find the smallest slight that could possibly be maybe aimed in their direction highly offensive. It's just a tag for easy searching, nothing else. WE ARE NOT SAYING YOUR CHARACTER IS SOMETHING THEY AREN'T, we are simply saying that for the purposes of an image board, which this is, that character matches what someone searching for that specific thing would be looking for. We are not saying ANYTHING ELSE.

That needs to be made clear because far too many people seem to take it as a personal affront to everything they hold dear.

I agree 100% percent with this, as for the term, I'm in favor of shemale personally, but whatever is decided on I'll honor

Rainbow_Dash said:
I agree 100% percent with this, as for the term, I'm in favor of shemale personally, but whatever is decided on I'll honor

I have to ask, how is that better or less offensive than dickgirl? Shemales are ACTUAL people. It is a derogatory term for transgenders from male to female who are pre-op. Knowing that I have to ask how shemale is better than dickgirl, which is a coined term used exclusively for the sole purpose of making it obvious just what someone is looking for on this image board, nothing else.

If someone takes this term to be more offensive than shemale then I would have to say that is their own personal problem, not the problem of the website or the term itself.

I find shemale to be both as offensive as dickgirl, and potentially more argument causing because of non-transgender characters being tagged as something that implies(not in a tag sense) that their character is transgender.

AnotherDay said:
I have to ask, how is that better or less offensive than dickgirl?

It's not less offensive (technically speaking it's more offensive since more people are aware of it) but it is more commonly used in pornography.

Snowmew said:
It's not less offensive (technically speaking it's more offensive since more people are aware of it) but it is more commonly used in pornography.

Exactly, the question here at the moment, however, is not what is commonly used. It is what is less offensive. That term is MORE offensive and would indicate just what Hammie said:

...and potentially more argument causing because of non-transgender characters being tagged as something that implies(not in a tag sense) that their character is transgender.

Most characters currently tagged dickgirl start out as that. Only a small minority are what would be considered "shemale."

A valid replacement for shemale would actually be "Newhalf"; it's the most commonly used term in Japanese, and denotes the exact same as shemale, albeit without the vulgarity -- that is, a non-op transwoman.

Aurali clearly needs a vacation.

I really like 720p's suggestion, androfem. Rolls off the tongue quite nicely. So you can count that towards andromorphic_female.

Rusteee said:
I think he means it's dumb to be offended because dickgirls aren't actually a real thing.

The discussion isn't "How can we make people feel their thoughts aren't valid." It's "How can we make the site not look like it's totally filled with douche bags without banning all the douchebags"

Kiparis said:
Aurali clearly needs a vacation.

You clearly don't know me

Peekaboo said:
To everybody that feels insulted by the Dickgirl term - post #421

This is a good way right here to have any future opinions be tossed out like garbage if you are responding to a serious conversation.

Suineder said:
I really like 720p's suggestion, androfem. Rolls off the tongue quite nicely. So you can count that towards andromorphic_female.

I actually like this term to. It's neat, and since it's our own term, we can define it as clear or fuzzy as we want.

Aurali said:
This is a good way right here to have any future opinions be tossed out like garbage if you are responding to a serious conversation.

It's probably because he doesn't consider this a 'serious' topic.
I can kinda see where he's coming from :/

Armeline said:
A valid replacement for shemale would actually be "Newhalf"

Suineder said:
I really like 720p's suggestion, androfem. Rolls off the tongue quite nicely. So you can count that towards andromorphic_female.

Again, nobody knows what these terms mean. It would cause a gender tagging nightmare.

Snowmew said:
Again, nobody knows what these terms mean. It would cause a gender tagging nightmare.

Wiki and aliases, how do they work?