Topic: [REJECTED] Tag Relationship Removal BUR

The bulk update request #630 has been rejected.

remove alias pee (0) -> peeing (23019)
remove alias urinating (0) -> peeing (23019)
remove alias piss (0) -> peeing (23019)
remove alias pissing (0) -> peeing (23019)
remove alias urination (0) -> peeing (23019)
remove alias urinate (0) -> peeing (23019)
remove implication peeing_on_penis (230) -> peeing (23019)
remove alias shitting (0) -> pooping (11208)
remove alias defecation (0) -> pooping (11208)
remove implication pooping (11208) -> feces (19958)
remove implication shitting_dicknipples (10) -> pooping (11208)
remove implication shitting_nipples (13) -> pooping (11208)
remove implication soiling_diaper (3809) -> pooping (11208)

Reason: See discussion in topic #28231

Update: I presume that people who disagreed with that alias would agree with the replacement of peeing and pooping?

EDIT: The bulk update request #630 (forum #303728) has been rejected by @Millcore.

Yeah, no. The only part of this I agree with is "remove implication pooping -> feces" and that's only because a) it's entirely possible for it to be obvious somebody's pooping, but for the feces to not be at all visible; and b) there's art out there of characters pooping out other things than feces.

But for the rest of these? 'sall perfectly valid, in my opinion.

I would only be okay with these if the goal is to replace peeing and pooping with urination/ing and defecation/ing.

watsit said:
I would only be okay with these if the goal is to replace peeing and pooping with urination/ing and defecation/ing.

The tags urination and defecation are my personal choice of "definitive" tags in this situation, but either way peeing and pooping will have to be stripped of relationships in order to be aliased.

Update: for clarification, I plan to alias peeing to urination and pooping to defecation. However, that will have to be done in another BUR after this one is approved.

Can you add also: unimplicate soiled_diaper -> soiling_diaper and unimplicate soiled_diaper -> messy_diaper
soiled_diaper is used for already soiled diapers while soiling_diaper is the act
soiled_diaper should be aliased to messy_diaper

glaceddon said:
Can you add also: (…)

Sorry, but I believe that those changes would be out of the scope of the above BUR. I also disagree with the proposed direction of the suggested aliases and implications, but it would be better to have that discussion in another topic.

gattonero2001 said:
Sorry, but I believe that those changes would be out of the scope of the above BUR. I also disagree with the proposed direction of the suggested aliases and implications, but it would be better to have that discussion in another topic.

Ok, I created a mini BUR: topic #28503

This is the planned "sequel" to the above BUR:

create alias pee -> urine
create alias piss -> urine

create alias peeing -> urination
create alias pissing -> urination
create alias urinating -> urination

create alias pooping -> defecation
create alias shitting -> defecation
create alias defecating -> defecation

gattonero2001 said:
This is the planned "sequel" to the above BUR:

Don't forget the others that currently have implications you're removing: peeing_on_penis, shitting_dicknipples, shitting_nipples, and soiling_diaper.

watsit said:
Don't forget the others that currently have implications you're removing: peeing_on_penis, shitting_dicknipples, shitting_nipples, and soiling_diaper.

I was thinking of leaving the implications to another BUR. For example, now that peeing is being replaced by urination, should peeing_on_* tags be replaced as well? That discussion would make the decision more complex and remove the focus from the two central tags.

gattonero2001 said:
I was thinking of leaving the implications to another BUR. For example, now that peeing is being replaced by urination, should peeing_on_* tags be replaced as well? That discussion would make the decision more complex and remove the focus from the two central tags.

In that case I'd reestablish their implications for the urination/defecation tags, then deal with the question of renaming them in a separate thread afterward. If it's decided to not rename them, then they're already fine as they are, but if they need renaming they'll need their other implications and aliases removed anyway. I don't think tags should end up with fewer useful implications as long as they remain valid.

watsit said:
In that case I'd reestablish their implications for the urination/defecation tags, then deal with the question of renaming them in a separate thread afterward. If it's decided to not rename them, then they're already fine as they are, but if they need renaming they'll need their other implications and aliases removed anyway. I don't think tags should end up with fewer useful implications as long as they remain valid.

How about a separate BUR posted in the same topic?

imply peeing_on_penis -> urination
imply shitting_dicknipples -> defecation
imply shitting_nipples -> defecation
imply soiling_diaper -> defecation

gattonero2001 said:
How about a separate BUR posted in the same topic?

I see no reason not to keep it all together:

alias pee -> urine
alias piss -> urine

alias peeing -> urination
alias pissing -> urination
alias urinating -> urination

alias pooping -> defecation
alias shitting -> defecation
alias defecating -> defecation

imply defecation -> feces

imply peeing_on_penis -> urination

imply shitting_dicknipples -> defecation
imply shitting_nipples -> defecation
imply soiling_diaper -> defecation

watsit said:
I see no reason not to keep it all together:

Some people might wish to approve the aliases while rejecting the implications or vice versa.

I'm not sure why this is getting downvotes. Seems like a good idea to me.

I don't know what's going on with defecation tags, and I have no desire to go look. But with urination, there are essentially two categories: pee* and urine* based.
There is Drinking_urine and urine_pool, but peeing_on_another. peeing_inside, but urine_in_ass. I would prefer if there was some kind of standard.

If anything, pee and piss should definitely be aliased to urine, not peeing.

The bulk update request #630 (forum #303728) has been rejected by @Millcore.

Well, this mess is exactly why I wanted to just leave everything as it was before. There wasn't really any need to change something that had been there for 10+ years.