Topic: Have A Cup of Joe (Cups Bulk Update Request)

The bulk update request #551 is active.

Reason: Some ambiguous tags to re-categorize as Invalid category tags, aliasing away some plural/spelling variations of other tags, and adding implications for other tags (mostly focused around cups).

EDIT: The bulk update request #551 (forum #302503) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

The following (no longer pending, thanks to @Rainbow_Dash) implication

Topic: Tag Implication: coffee_mug -> cup

is the cause of the # duplicate of has blocking transitive relationships, cannot be applied through bur error message in the seventh line, but I already asked the mods to reject it on Discord so now there should be no sources of failure.

Thank you, I didn't even notice that error on there.

I suggest pulling be unaliased and all three of these tags be aliased to the disambiguation page I created nearly a year ago.

Mug should be unaliased from cup, and become its own subcategory. A mug is defined as a cylindrical cup with a handle. It tends to be distinctive from other types of cups, which may not have handles. Not all coffee cups may be mugs, so if this alias is going to happen we should tag all of the mug style coffee cups as mug as well.

- cup
-- mug
--- beer_stein (stein itself seems to be a type of mug by my interpretation of the definition)
--- coffee_mug
--- tankard?

I've added those suggestions for aliasing pull/pulled/pulling -> pulling_(disambiguation) to the BUR (though pulling will need to be aliased to pulling_(disambiguation) after it is first un-aliased from invalid_tag)

I would like to get some more feedback from folks on how the cup implication tree should be formatted before I make edits (particularly on the difference between a stein and a tankard, since I'm unsure of the difference between them). Does anyone have any input for how the cup implication tree should be formatted?

I did some research and beer_stein and stein refer to the same thing at least in real life terminology. A stein is a type of beer mug. The beer glass alias should be removed, because not all beer glasswear fall under the definition of a stein. You are both implying and aliasing the stein terms in the same BUR.

https://content.kegworks.com/blog/beer-glassware-guide-beer-glass-types-uses

Stein

• Type of mug (beer mug)
• Online searches has indicated that at least ornate steins seem to be tall and slender. They seem to resemble large thermoses in terms of design.
• Made of ceramic, but can be made out of glass, metal, etc.
• May have lids attached to them. You will find an example of this in the link.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stein

Tankard

A tankard is a form of drinkware consisting of a large, roughly cylindrical, drinking cup with a single handle. Tankards are usually made of silver, pewter, or glass, but can be made of other materials, for example wood, ceramic or leather. A tankard may have a hinged lid, and tankards featuring glass bottoms are also fairly common. Tankards are shaped and used similarly to beer steins.

• Not directly described as a mug, but meets the definition of a large tall beer mug IMO.
• Tankards seem to maintain the cylindrical appearance, often tall like a stein, but wider. The barrel with a handle is the traditional depiction of a tankard, but this is not a requirement. To me it seems that tankards were inspired by the concept of turning jugs, and barrels into drinking containers by slapping handles onto them.
• Some will have hinged lids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankard

I'm unsure if there is a difference between a beer mug in terms of design that doesn't fall under one of those two categories.

• mug
• beer_mug
• stein
• tankard
• coffee_mug

What about adding the implication cup -> container, maybe container can be distinguished in the generic container and the container generically carried by ships and trains.
There are also the tags glass_container and plastic_container that can be useful for cups.
For the beer_glass alias there is also the pint which is often used for beer.

So should the general implication tree be formatted like this?

• container
• cup
• mug
• beer_mug
• stein
• tankard
• coffee_mug

I can also add further implications to this BUR for the glass, plastic, and wooden varieties of these items. And since beer_glass could refer to several different items, would it be a good idea to disambiguate it instead (and use specific tags instead, such as glass_beer_mug and glass_beer_stein)?

d.d.m. said:
So should the general implication tree be formatted like this?

• container
• cup
• mug
• beer_mug
• stein
• tankard
• coffee_mug

I can also add further implications to this BUR for the glass, plastic, and wooden varieties of these items. And since beer_glass could refer to several different items, would it be a good idea to disambiguate it instead (and use specific tags instead, such as glass_beer_mug and glass_beer_stein)?

The implication tree I thought about:

• container
• cup
• teacup (tea_cup and teacup are different things)
• coffee_cup
• disposable_cup
• measuring_cup
• chalice (there is goblet that is a synonym of chalice)
• mug
• coffee_mug
• beer_mug
• stein
• tankard
• travel_mug
• drinking_glass
• tumbler (flat-bottomed glass)
• wine_glass
• shot_glass
• cocktail_glass
• martini_glass (the term martini_glass and cocktail_glass are used interchangeably)
• pint_glass (I have read that the meaning of pint differs by country)

I agree with you on disambiguating beer_glass.

• Should paper_cup and plastic_cup be aliased or implicated to disposable_cup (since those are also types of disposable_cups)?
• I think martini_glass could probably be aliased to cocktail_glass, since they seem to be used for the same thing (and martinis are a type of cocktail). And similarly, I think goblet could also be aliased to chalice (or vice versa).
• I'm not sure how tea_cup is different from teacup, since it seems to be a format variation where the _ appears to be the only difference between the two tags.

d.d.m. said:

• Should paper_cup and plastic_cup be aliased or implicated to disposable_cup (since those are also types of disposable_cups)?
• I think martini_glass could probably be aliased to cocktail_glass, since they seem to be used for the same thing (and martinis are a type of cocktail). And similarly, I think goblet could also be aliased to chalice (or vice versa).
• I'm not sure how tea_cup is different from teacup, since it seems to be a format variation where the _ appears to be the only difference between the two tags.

• I don't know if there are plastic/paper cups that are not disposable, but probably they can be both aliased to disposable_cup
• Yes, martini_glass and cocktail_glass could probably be aliased; in the wikipedia page of the cocktail glass, there is the phrase: "The term cocktail glass is often used interchangeably with martini glass, despite their differing slightly.", at the beginning; the difference is then explained below, but I think 99% of the people don't know the difference, so I think an alias could work even if they aren't synonyms.

For the case of chalice/goblet the wiki consider them as synonyms, so one of them should be aliased to the other.

• Difference I have found between teacup and tea_cup:

- teacup: a type of cup for drinking tea.
- tea_cup: a cup filled with tea. (synonym of cup of tea)

d.d.m. said:

• Should paper_cup and plastic_cup be aliased or implicated to disposable_cup (since those are also types of disposable_cups)?

If you're just talking about any cup made out of plastic, then there's plenty of those that are not disposable, of different types. Although I get the feeling that most people probably think of the disposable kind often used at parties and gatherings and such. In which case, if that's all the tag's ever used for, I don't see harm in aliasing/implicating it to disposable_cup.

• I had considered the possibility of a plastic_cup that was also a non-disposable_cup, however all of the posts that are currently tagged with plastic_cup seem to be disposable_cups.
• For the tea_cup description as "a cup filled with tea", I think a better way to search for that would be to search tea + whatever cup tag variation someone is looking for (cup, tea_cup, mug, drinking_glass, etc). That way folks can search for any kind of cup that contains tea, without being restricted to only utilize the teacup/tea_cup variation of cups and without the potential confusion that could arise from keeping teacup/tea_cup separate tags with different definitions.

I made a bunch of edits to the BUR based on the implication tree that was discussed. Several other aliases/implications will also need to be submitted in a subsequent BUR (particularly for tags that will eventually be implicated to mug).

...is no one impressed by my collectable cup collection...?

I've removed the aliased pertaining to pulling and added them to a separate BUR on topic #29329.

I'm also hoping folks will vote on the alias chalice -> goblet at on topic #15758, to figure out whether chalice or goblet should be used as the standard.

d.d.m. said:
...is no one impressed by my collectable cup collection...?

I've removed the aliased pertaining to pulling and added them to a separate BUR on topic #29329.

I'm also hoping folks will vote on the alias chalice -> goblet at on topic #15758, to figure out whether chalice or goblet should be used as the standard.

You have a most impressive set of cups indeed