The bulk update request #508 is active.

Reason: Aliases and implications for the Inuyasha series

• Not sure what to do with the kagome tag, though. I've found 3 posts that are not of Kagome Higurashi, all the rest under this tag appear to be her, though.
• Should those three posts be moved elsewhere and kagome aliased to kagome_higurashi, or should it be disambiguated?
• If disambiguated, what's the easiest way of moving the 70+ posts over to the correct tag?
• Edit: Due to the discussion below, I've added an update script to (hopefully) move all of her posts over to kagome_higurashi. If this is widely objected to, I can remove her tags from the BUR and it can be voted on separately (so the rest of the tags can be pushed on through without much disruption).

• Shippou, likewise, needs to be cleaned in some way, or moved someplace, before I'd feel comfortable implicating him to the series.
• I'm now implying shippou_(inuyasha) to the copyright tag.

• Manually moved some characters with few posts to *_(inuyasha) tags to separate them from other characters.
• Naraku shows up on 3 posts, two are deleted. One of which doesn't seem to have him in it. Should he be moved to naraku_(inuyasha) instead?
• For that matter, can normal members even edit the tags on deleted posts? I haven't really tried yet.
• Edit: Manually changed the post that's still active to naraku_(inuyasha) and added the implication to the BUR.

• There's apparently a video game / mascot that also goes by hachiemon, but currently the only posts under the tag are Inuyasha's tanuki character. I can edit this implication if it's deemed appropriate. Preemptively went and manually switched all hachiemon posts to hachiemon_(inuyasha) and changed the BUR to reflect this.

• Shikon_no_tama is apparently a tag, but only on a single post as far as I can tell. Not sure if it's necessarily needed. But if it is, it's probably undertagged and maybe should go under shikon_jewel instead? Leaving it out for now. Added an alias and an implication regarding these tags.

Also by making this BUR, I've become aware that there's apparently a sequel, but I've yet to come across any tags on here relating to it. So for now, I'm going to assume that all art that exists of the series on e621 is of the original series and leave it at that. I probably shouldn't've tried to make this in the middle of the night when I'm too tired to look this far into it. Will edit this BUR sometime later if need be.

Miscellaneous Edits:

• Found out bunza_(character) was a tag. Manually changed his posts to bunza_(inuyasha) and added the implication.
• Likewise, found Mizuki, Satsuki, and Soten and added them to the BUR.
• Posts of the demon horse Entei were uploaded, so I have added entei_(inuyasha) to the BUR.
• Added jaken_(inuyasha) to the BUR.

• While moving Hachiemon's posts over, I realized Mushin was in some of his posts as well, but untagged. So I made a tag for him and added an implication to the series.

• Changed Sango, Kirara, Myoga, and Soten's tags to include the _(inuyasha) suffix for future-proofing.

EDIT: The bulk update request #508 (forum #301651) has been approved by @Millcore.

👍＋１ : Wow, How freaking nostalgic!!　That's the anime I watched when I was a kid.

• For Kagome : Should use tag Kagome_Higurashi.

The name "Kagome" is rare, but it is used elsewhere in fact. _{^{(※Company Name and Pop'n Music)}}　So I suppose it's possible someone could use that name.　((※I think we can use NAME_(OWNER) for the 3 posts.　sorry but, I don't know if this is the best way. ))

• For Shippou : From shippou -inuyasha , I think this Pool should use shippo(シッポ) [※七宝=しっぽう=Shippou] , this one should use NAME_(OWNER).　Everything else is for Inuyasha, I believe.

• For Naraku : This one huh......should probably use naraku_(inuyasha).

• For Hachiemon : The current situation is good to implication.　Well, I guess we could use Hachiemon_(Inuyasha), though.

• For Shikon_no_tama : The character has his own personality.　Shikon_jewel would be appropriate.

Now that I know this bar is going to be edited, I'll be checking here for a while.

kurogi_foxsiv said:
👍＋１ : Wow, How freaking nostalgic!!　That's the anime I watched when I was a kid.

• For Kagome : Should use tag Kagome_Higurashi.

The name "Kagome" is rare, but it is used elsewhere in fact. _{^{(※Company Name and Pop'n Music)}}　So I suppose it's possible someone could use that name.　((※I think we can use NAME_(OWNER) for the 3 posts.　sorry but, I don't know if this is the best way. ))

• For Shippou : From shippou -inuyasha , I think this Pool should use shippo(シッポ) [※七宝=しっぽう=Shippou] , this one should use NAME_(OWNER).　Everything else is for Inuyasha, I believe.

• For Naraku : This one huh......should probably use naraku_(inuyasha).

• For Hachiemon : The current situation is good to implication.　Well, I guess we could use Hachiemon_(Inuyasha), though.

• For Shikon_no_tama : The character has his own personality.　Shikon_jewel would be appropriate.

Now that I know this bar is going to be edited, I'll be checking here for a while.

• Yeah, I'm just not sure if aliasing kagome -> kagome_higurashi is the right thing to do, or if those posts need to be moved some other way. It may not be that common of a name, but it's still used elsewhere.

• Shippo is aliased to Shippou so it can't be used unless it's unaliased. Given how close the two tag names are, I don't see that being unaliased either. But, yeah, it appears that everything else is for Inuyasha, at least at a cursory glance.

• Yeah, I just edited the BUR to add Hachiemon and Naraku (and some others) to it, although Naraku right now is kind of just a patch-job for the moment.

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If anyone experienced with BURs or moving character tags around in general sees this, any advice on what to do about Kagome and Shippou's tags would be great.

vulkalu said:
If anyone experienced with BURs or moving character tags around in general sees this, any advice on what to do about Kagome and Shippou's tags would be great.

I'm not sure if I can be called "experienced with BURs", but I've written quite a few and most of them seem to be okay, so...

Here's what I've done:

• I searched kagome -inuyasha, kagome_higurashi -inuyasha and higurashi_kagome -inuyasha

• The first search showed a few posts that should be tagged inuyasha but weren't (I've already edited them and added the missing tag) and a few posts featuring unrelated characters that just happened to be named kagome (I've already edited them and changed kagome to kagome_(disambiguation))

• The second and third searches did not show anything

Here's what you should do:

mass update kagome -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
mass update kagome_higurashi -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
mass update higurashi_kagome -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
create implication kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha) -> inuyasha
create alias kagome -> kagome_(disambiguation)
create alias kagome_(inuyasha) -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
create alias higurashi_kagome_(inuyasha) -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
category kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha) -> (character)

I would remove the following lines from your BUR:

create alias higurashi_kagome -> kagome_higurashi
create implication kagome_higurashi -> inuyasha

I haven't looked into the issue with shippou yet, but I'll do it in a bit.

In the meanwhile, please take some time to consider some of my aforementioned BURs. topic #28122

Update: I have looked into the issue with shippou

Here's what I've done:

• I searched shippou -inuyasha

• The search showed a few posts that should be tagged inuyasha but weren't (I've already edited them and added the missing tag) and a single post featuring an unrelated character that just happened to be named shippou (I've already edited it and changed shippou to shippou_(disambiguation)), plus a comic by horitomo containing a character named shippo (I changed to tag to shippo_(horitomo) in the entire comic)

Here's what you should do:

mass update shippou -> shippou_(inuyasha)
remove alias shippo -> shippou
create alias shippo -> shippo_(disambiguation)
create alias shippou -> shippou_(disambiguation)
create alias shippo_(inuyasha) -> shippou_(inuyasha)
create implication shippou_(inuyasha) -> inuyasha
category shippou_(inuyasha) -> (character)

If you found my advice helpful, please consider voting and/or sharing your thoughts on the BURs linked in topic #28122

gattonero2001 said:

• The first search showed a few posts that should be tagged inuyasha but weren't (I've already edited them and added the missing tag) and a few posts featuring unrelated characters that just happened to be named kagome (I've already edited them and changed kagome to kagome_(disambiguation))

I wasn't really worried about adding inuyasha to all of the posts missing it since they should get them added on whenever this BUR is finalized and approved. Also you changed one that actually had the right character in it to a disambiguation, so I changed it to her full name. The other three correctly don't have her in it, so I left those alone.

gattonero2001 said:
Here's what you should do:

mass update kagome -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
mass update kagome_higurashi -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
mass update higurashi_kagome -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
create implication kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha) -> inuyasha
create alias kagome -> kagome_(disambiguation)
create alias kagome_(inuyasha) -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
create alias higurashi_kagome_(inuyasha) -> kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha)
category kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha) -> (character)

I would remove the following lines from your BUR:

create alias higurashi_kagome -> kagome_higurashi
create implication kagome_higurashi -> inuyasha

I don't really see a point in making kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha). Is there another Kagome Higurashi I don't know about? The only thing that comes up that's not directly a 1:1 of her is just fanfiction of Inuyasha and some other franchises' characters. The other characters in the BUR either do have names that show up elsewhere (and a good chunk of the characters don't have known last names to help distinguish them), so I added _(inuyasha) to them, or I had found tags for them that already had the suffix from other taggers, so I didn't bother to mess with them. I still think the final tag for her should be just kagome_higurashi.

Also, what does the update script even do? Does it just move the posts over from one tag to another without affecting aliases or implications? I've honestly been confused about that for a while.

gattonero2001 said:

• The search showed a few posts that should be tagged inuyasha but weren't (I've already edited them and added the missing tag) and a single post featuring an unrelated character that just happened to be named shippou (I've already edited it and changed shippou to shippou_(disambiguation)), plus a comic by horitomo containing a character named shippo (I changed to tag to shippo_(horitomo) in the entire comic)

Here's what you should do:

mass update shippou -> shippou_(inuyasha)
remove alias shippo -> shippou
create alias shippo -> shippo_(disambiguation)
create alias shippou -> shippou_(disambiguation)
create alias shippo_(inuyasha) -> shippou_(inuyasha)
create implication shippou_(inuyasha) -> inuyasha
category shippou_(inuyasha) -> (character)

Thank you for moving the comic pages to a different tag because I honestly haven't even begun to look into that to figure out where it should go.

I'm not sure if separating shippo and shippou is the right move. I know there's an a difference in both pronunciation and meaning in Japanese, but to the common English speaker, there isn't really a difference and I worry that would cause mistagging. So I'm not sure if that unalias would even be approved. If that's the route the tag winds up taking, I might just leave that to its own request rather than trying to put it in this one. I do agree with the eventual goal of moving all of Shippou's posts to shippou_(inuyasha), however. I might add that part of it to this BUR when I get some more time.

vulkalu said:
I wasn't really worried about adding inuyasha to all of the posts missing it since they should get them added on whenever this BUR is finalized and approved. Also you changed one that actually had the right character in it to a disambiguation, so I changed it to her full name. The other three correctly don't have her in it, so I left those alone.

Oops. I guess I should avoid making edits at 1AM, nice catch. Yeah, there isn't really a point in doing that now but I just felt like it.

I don't really see a point in making kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha). Is there another Kagome Higurashi I don't know about? The only thing that comes up that's not directly a 1:1 of her is just fanfiction of Inuyasha and some other franchises' characters. The other characters in the BUR either do have names that show up elsewhere (and a good chunk of the characters don't have known last names to help distinguish them), so I added _(inuyasha) to them, or I had found tags for them that already had the suffix from other taggers, so I didn't bother to mess with them. I still think the final tag for her should be just kagome_higurashi.

I prefer to be overcautious whenever possible. As far as I know, there is no other character named kagome_higurashi anywhere yet, but preparing for the possibility does no harm.

Also, what does the update script even do? Does it just move the posts over from one tag to another without affecting aliases or implications? I've honestly been confused about that for a while.

According to @bitWolfy, yes. I had the same question and asked it in the Discord server.

Thank you for moving the comic pages to a different tag because I honestly haven't even begun to look into that to figure out where it should go.

You're welcome. Whenever you face a similar issue, remember that adding _(character owner's name) is the preferred way of dealing with it.

I'm not sure if separating shippo and shippou is the right move. I know there's an a difference in both pronunciation and meaning in Japanese, but to the common English speaker, there isn't really a difference and I worry that would cause mistagging. So I'm not sure if that unalias would even be approved. If that's the route the tag winds up taking, I might just leave that to its own request rather than trying to put it in this one. I do agree with the eventual goal of moving all of Shippou's posts to shippou_(inuyasha), however. I might add that part of it to this BUR when I get some more time.

The "Shippos" and "Shippous" of specific manga/anime/videogames can be aliased to their officially translated counterparts, but the base alias must be removed to allow for the disambiguation of those tags. They are common and generic character names that always need a suffix with the character's owner or the media to which they belong.

vulkalu said:...I don't really see a point in making kagome_higurashi_(inuyasha). Is there another Kagome Higurashi I don't know about? The only thing that comes up that's not directly a 1:1 of her is just fanfiction of Inuyasha and some other franchises' characters...

gattonero2001 said:...there is no other character named kagome_higurashi anywhere yet, but preparing for the possibility does no harm...

Sorry, I'm late!　
I agree with @gattonero2001.
If someone uses the name Kagome_Higurashi, it will be confusing.

Also, I didn't know that "disambiguation" can be used in this case as well...

^{My computer is broken and I'm busy irl....I'll have to check it out when I buy some new parts this weekend...!}

Apologies for slipping away from this for a while. Real life problems made it difficult to focus on this. My responses may still be spotty, but I'll try to get back to responding and editing this BUR.

gattonero2001 said:
I prefer to be overcautious whenever possible. As far as I know, there is no other character named kagome_higurashi anywhere yet, but preparing for the possibility does no harm.

I'm going to leave the final tag as kagome_higurashi for now. If someone else decides to use both that first and last name combination for their character, then this can be dealt with then. It can always be moved around at a later date if necessary.

gattonero2001 said:
You're welcome. Whenever you face a similar issue, remember that adding _(character owner's name) is the preferred way of dealing with it.

I'm aware of how to make tags unique. My problem was that I never had the time to look into any of those other characters to figure out who their character owner was. Especially since it's not always readily apparent who the owner is, depending on if the artist actually mentions it anywhere or not (some don't).

gattonero2001 said:
The "Shippos" and "Shippous" of specific manga/anime/videogames can be aliased to their officially translated counterparts, but the base alias must be removed to allow for the disambiguation of those tags. They are common and generic character names that always need a suffix with the character's owner or the media to which they belong.

I'm also aware that they're generic names. However, I want to keep this focused on Inuyasha-specific things, and really don't feel like dealing with the unaliasing of shippo -> shippou nor the disambiguations if I don't have to. Feel free to make a separate BUR for those tags if you want, that way they can be voted on separately. I've edited the BUR to add shippou_(inuyasha) to it, but I'm not doing more than that here. Call me lazy or stubborn if you want, I just want to get the characters implied to the series before anything else.

vulkalu said:
I'm going to leave the final tag as kagome_higurashi for now. If someone else decides to use both that first and last name combination for their character, then this can be dealt with then. It can always be moved around at a later date if necessary.

Fair enough.

I'm aware of how to make tags unique. My problem was that I never had the time to look into any of those other characters to figure out who their character owner was. Especially since it's not always readily apparent who the owner is, depending on if the artist actually mentions it anywhere or not (some don't).

In that case, you can just add _(disambiguation) to the name and leave the investigation to the future. I used _(horitomo) in this situation because it was readily apparent that "Shippo" belonged to a oneshot comic.

I'm also aware that they're generic names. However, I want to keep this focused on Inuyasha-specific things, and really don't feel like dealing with the unaliasing of shippo -> shippou nor the disambiguations if I don't have to. Feel free to make a separate BUR for those tags if you want, that way they can be voted on separately. I've edited the BUR to add shippou_(inuyasha) to it, but I'm not doing more than that here. Call me lazy or stubborn if you want, I just want to get the characters implied to the series before anything else.

Adding this one line really would not be off-topic and I don't believe that laziness is involved since I already wrote it for you. Regardless, if you have any reservations about it I will simply put it somewhere else.

Why aren't you aliasing shippo_(inuyasha) to shippou_(inuyasha), though?

vulkalu said:
Apologies for slipping away from this for a while. Real life problems made it difficult to focus on this.

It seems everyone's busy these days, (And I also).　Even so, I'm sure @gattonero2001 would be happy to see as many users as possible participate in the forum,
since everyone has different things they know and things they don't know (｀・ω・´)

vulkalu said: (...)
I want to keep this focused on Inuyasha-specific things, and really don't feel like dealing with the unaliasing of shippo -> shippou nor the disambiguations if I don't have to. Feel free to make a separate BUR for those tags if you want, that way they can be voted on separately. I've edited the BUR to add shippou_(inuyasha) to it, but I'm not doing more than that here.

I also think this is the appropriate way to handle it for now.
If a character named sippou/sippo appears in the future, I'd say we/the_uploader should use the _(Owner) method.

gattonero2001 said:
Adding this one line really would not be off-topic and I don't believe that laziness is involved since I already wrote it for you. Regardless, if you have any reservations about it I will simply put it somewhere else.

Why aren't you aliasing shippo_(inuyasha) to shippou_(inuyasha), though?

Largely because I wanted to see what everyone would vote for on the de-alias by itself. It's literally one letter off, despite being different otherwise. So I wasn't sure if this site would even see it as important to have the two wholly separate. Plus, if I'm to be entirely honest, I have anxiety problems and worried about that potentially stopping/delaying the rest of the BUR from going through, if people decided it wasn't worth it. Or just worry about messing it up somehow.

As far as that last line... Partly because I overlooked it. Partly because I wasn't sure if it was needed considering the tag autocomplete, but I'll go ahead and add it in, to future-proof it, I suppose.

kurogi_foxsiv said:
It seems everyone's busy these days, (And I also).　Even so, I'm sure @gattonero2001 would be happy to see as many users as possible participate in the forum,
since everyone has different things they know and things they don't know (｀・ω・´)

Yes, very busy, although in my case, ironically, not with the holidays. And yeah, it would be nice to see more people participate in a lot of the tag discussions. I watch the forums a lot and tend to see the same handful of people. I'm glad to see you around though, for advice on Japanese-specific tags, even if communication can't always be the most straight-forward.

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I hope everything else in the BUR seems okay, though. I tried to get all of the character tags I could find. At least as far as ones that were already in use here. Not sure if I should add character tags that don't exist (maybe yet?). And if so, how much is worth putting on here, since there's a lot of mostly one-off characters. Like I know A-Un, for example, is at least furry-relevant, so I was surprised I saw no tag for him, but I wasn't sure if I should just add him to the BUR or not anyways.

...Aside from Jaken. I haven't gotten around to his tag yet. Which is another one that needs disambiguating, if I recall correctly. It's been a bit since I really looked at it. I might get to it tomorrow, if it's not already done by then.

Regarding the anxiety issues, I know how you feel and it is perfectly comprehensible. However, after writing BURs for a while, I got used to it and hopefully you will as well. Things aren't as serious as they can look like sometimes and intentions don't get conveyed 100% through words on a screen. I appreciate that you took the time to fix Inuyasha tags even if I don't agree entirely with your script.

I still believe that sango, kirara, myoga and soten would be better off with a suffix, though…

Regarding characters that are not here yet, I don't believe that including them would do any harm.

I already fixed Jaken by the way

gattonero2001 said:
Regarding the anxiety issues, I know how you feel and it is perfectly comprehensible. However, after writing BURs for a while, I got used to it and hopefully you will as well. Things aren't as serious as they can look like sometimes and intentions don't get conveyed 100% through words on a screen. I appreciate that you took the time to fix Inuyasha tags even if I don't agree entirely with your script.

Unfortunately, in my case, it isn't as simple as just getting used to it. But I appreciate and agree with the sentiment.

gattonero2001 said:
I still believe that sango, kirara, myoga and soten would be better off with a suffix, though…

After looking each of them up, perhaps so, yes. I have never heard of any of those names outside of Inuyasha until now.

As far as the other Inuyasha characters... I'm not sure if I should go through searching for all of them, or just major plot relevant or recurring ones. Also, what of something like the saimyosho? I'm not sure if those warrant getting a species tag, especially when I haven't yet seen a picture of them on here.

And thank you for fixing Jaken. I'll get around to adding him to the script as soon as I can.

Just a little message to note that I have added *_(inuyasha) suffixes to four of the characters, and have added an implication for jaken_(inuyasha) to the BUR.

I think this should be all for now? At least until other characters are potentially uploaded here. When/if more are, I'll collect them for a second, likely smaller BUR. Please let me know if anything else needs to be changed.

The bulk update request #508 (forum #301651) has been approved by @Millcore.