The bulk update request #406 is active.

remove alias frisk_(undertale) (4747) -> protagonist_(undertale) (0)

Reason: ...so I can then request the reverse alias. Because the character you play as throughout Undertale has a name...and if it was aliased this way to avoid spoilers, well, the game is years old now, so I don't see how there's a need for that any more.

EDIT: The bulk update request #406 (forum #299880) has been approved by @Millcore.

For reference's sake, forum #173199 was where the alias was discussed and made.

I feel like protagonist_(undertale) works better overall since it covers all possible player characters, including versions of "Frisk" that maybe aren't named Frisk, like when the player character is named Chara. Specifically chara_(undertale) is a distinct character, but overlaps with protagonist_(undertale). Aliasing protagonist_(undertale) to frisk_(undertale) will mess up some posts tagged with chara_(undertale) protagonist_(undertale), so maybe keep Frisk and "protagonist" as separate characters, and try to make "protagonist" cover both characters Chara and Frisk?

The de-alias doesn't seem like a bad idea (maybe Frisk can be tagged more separately from Chara) but reversing it doesn't work too well.

siral_exan said:
For reference's sake, forum #173199 was where the alias was discussed and made.

And what parasprite mentioned in the very last post in that thread, happened years ago. It's pretty much standard practice to refer to the character as Frisk, these days, and Chara has their own separate tag. And, again, the game's been out long enough that if seeing the character referred to by name is a spoiler for you, that's more on you than anyone else.

sys-yok said:
I feel like protagonist_(undertale) works better overall since it covers all possible player characters, including versions of "Frisk" that maybe aren't named Frisk, like when the player character is named Chara. Specifically chara_(undertale) is a distinct character, but overlaps with protagonist_(undertale). Aliasing protagonist_(undertale) to frisk_(undertale) will mess up some posts tagged with chara_(undertale) protagonist_(undertale), so maybe keep Frisk and "protagonist" as separate characters, and try to make "protagonist" cover both characters Chara and Frisk?

The de-alias doesn't seem like a bad idea (maybe Frisk can be tagged more separately from Chara) but reversing it doesn't work too well.

...that sounded more like a stream of consciousness thing than a coherent point. Can you clarify better what you were trying to say, here?

jacob said:
...that sounded more like a stream of consciousness thing than a coherent point. Can you clarify better what you were trying to say, here?

Sorry that it wasn't clear, I wasn't sure how to word some of it. The important part was if you alias protagonist_(undertale) to frisk_(undertale), some posts tagged with chara_(undertale) and protagonist_(undertale) get messed up by now having frisk tagged on posts with only chara/ambiguous protagonist character. Example: post #739073 or post #824052

sys-yok said:
Sorry that it wasn't clear, I wasn't sure how to word some of it. The important part was if you alias protagonist_(undertale) to frisk_(undertale), some posts tagged with chara_(undertale) and protagonist_(undertale) get messed up by now having frisk tagged on posts with only chara/ambiguous protagonist character. Example: post #739073 or post #824052

Neither of your examples should ever have been tagged protagonist in the first place, though. They're both clearly Chara. Also, what you're describing just means there will need to be a little post-alias cleanup, as is pretty typical of new aliases.

jacob said:
Neither of your examples should ever have been tagged protagonist in the first place, though. They're both clearly Chara. Also, what you're describing just means there will need to be a little post-alias cleanup, as is pretty typical of new aliases.

I was assuming these posts were correct based on the wiki page for chara_(undertale) which mentions that posts can be tagged with both chara and protagonist. I don't disagree that the first post doesn't need the protagonist tag, but for post #824052 it isn't clear whether it's the protagonist or chara, so I feel like protagonist makes sense here where it could be either Frisk or Chara. (If the second example had chara's shirt color or eyes it would be more obvious, but just a shadow isn't much to go on.)

+1. The 'protagonist' moniker for tags should be reserved for characters who don't have official names in their original series, and Frisk definitely has a name.

(protagonist_* -protagonist_(undertale) for other examples)

The bulk update request #406 (forum #299880) has been approved by @Millcore.

Like I said 5 years ago, though, Frisk is a spoiler-revealing name. The wiki page for chara_(undertale) is worded the way it is partly to act as a counter-spoiler. "Even though this tag and protagonist_(undertale) technically refer to the same individual, it is usually recommended to use this tag or both in that case." is intentionally somewhat misleading in the context of tagging for someone who has never played the game because the Chara we do see in the game basically their spirit(?) having taken the player's control away and thaken control of Frisk's body instead. The odd wording was meant to explain why people might come across posts with both tags referring to the same character at times.

I don't really know if there's a policy concerning spoiler-y tags, it just felt like that was the proper way to go about things back when the game came out. It's been out for 5 years by now, so maybe that's no longer needed, but looking back at that other thread, that seems to be why the alias was inverted in the first place.

fifteen said:
Like I said 5 years ago, though, Frisk is a spoiler-revealing name. The wiki page for chara_(undertale) is worded the way it is partly to act as a counter-spoiler. "Even though this tag and protagonist_(undertale) technically refer to the same individual, it is usually recommended to use this tag or both in that case." is intentionally somewhat misleading in the context of tagging for someone who has never played the game because the Chara we do see in the game basically their spirit(?) having taken the player's control away and thaken control of Frisk's body instead. The odd wording was meant to explain why people might come across posts with both tags referring to the same character at times.

I don't really know if there's a policy concerning spoiler-y tags, it just felt like that was the proper way to go about things back when the game came out. It's been out for 5 years by now, so maybe that's no longer needed, but looking back at that other thread, that seems to be why the alias was inverted in the first place.

Yes, well. Times change. Tags we used to use are no longer in use. Tags that used to have one meaning/use or another, now have different ones. And aliases that used to exist, no longer do. All because the purposes of tags are ever evolving. Nowadays, the avoidance of spoilers is no longer needed and, as Strikerman said, the _(protagonist) suffix only applies to characters who have no canonical name (usually due to being one of those cases where it's a customizable player character). So there's two very good reasons why this alias is no longer necessary.