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remove implication genital_mutilation (1563) -> genital_torture (7048)
create implication genital_mutilation (1563) -> mutilation (2142)

EDIT: The bulk update request #288 (forum #296957) has been rejected by @Millcore.

I don't agree with some of these.

create alias execution -> killing
create implication suicide -> death
create implication snuff -> death

Don't the former apply to attempts/in-progress instances while the latter refer only to the completed outcome? For example in some snuff images no one is dead... yet.

For:

create implication genital_torture -> sexual_torture

I don't think genital_torture always implies that the torture in question is "sexual stimulation or otherwise a lewd or sexual act".

For:

create implication sexual_torture -> torture

Torture's wiki states that it is specific to physical severe mental or physical suffering as distinct from things like overstimulation, sexual_torture, and tickle_torture.

tittybitty said:

Perhaps the tags should be used in that manner, but I don't believe they're all tagged too consistently. The wiki page for death states "This tag is for art that includes a character being killed. Corpse already fills the role for tagging the completed act.

Also, looking closer at the page for snuff, it does look like it's for posts with sadism related to torture or death, so I guess it can't be 100% implied to death.

As for the others, I'll change the BUR accordingly.

notuncommon said:
Perhaps the tags should be used in that manner, but I don't believe they're all tagged too consistently. The wiki page for death states "This tag is for art that includes a character being killed. Corpse already fills the role for tagging the completed act.

good point about the wiki definition of death.

Execution is not entirely the same as killing. Execution is a punishment for a serious crime or offense. It is more based on ceremony, and procedure, while killing is a generic term that could also be used for accidental, or intentional (murder, execution).

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/execution

Killing is already a very broad term. I don't think it needs anything else aliased to it.

thevileone said:
Execution is not entirely the same as killing. Execution is a punishment for a serious crime or offense. It is more based on ceremony, and procedure, while killing is a generic term that could also be used for accidental, or intentional (murder, execution).

Examining posts tagged with "execution", it does appear that they do consistently have a more ritualized component to them than those tagged with just "killing". I'll change the BUR to imply killing from execution if there are no objections to that.

I'm not sure we are fully understanding the original intentions of the killing tag. I feel like there was a time where someone considered how to define murder in a fandom where vore is fetishized, and this was the result. I want to argue that the act of causing the death of another was the intended focus of this tag, but I need clarity on the subject.

In an execution scenario there may not be a character causing the death of someone. It is rather a group or government body, and that body may not be visible in the scene. Check the definition of the killing wiki.

Used for when a character is shown causing the death of another, whether implied or explicitly.

It should be used when a character is shown in the scene causing the death of another. A character standing on a platform waiting to be hanged may not involve anyone else.

Yet both killing solo and execution solo are not empty searches possibly because killed is aliased to killing. But if those are valid use cases, then the definition of the killing tag should be clarified.

Also I have a curious situation. An executioner may force characters to kill themselves or each other. It isn't suicide, but the relationship of who is causing the death is blurry.

This is tagged as execution, but the characters are given control over their own deaths.

post #2408927

Then there are situations like this. It is sort of indicated that someone put them into a situation, but that aspect has to be inferred. I feel that these kinds of inferences would be commonplace in peril themed content.

I think that peril imminent_death would mostly fall in line for the killing tag, but peril is a concept that is more commonly seen focused on the victims rather than their captors. You will see more solo peril content.

Here is a less gore inclusive example. Is this killing?

post #1891518

thevileone said:

Well, this thread has given me a lot of insight on these tags and a lot to think about as well.
For now, I think I'll just update the BUR to only include:
create implication genital_mutilation -> mutilation
create implication mutilation -> torture
as I believe these to be the only to actions that are uncontested.

I may at some point reflect on what tags need to exist for this type of content, what those tags need to be defined as, and then try a similar BUR.

Torture at least according to its wiki suggests this involves an action done to another character. Yes self_mutilation, self_harm exists as tags. Also circumcision is tagged as genital_mutilation, and I'd hardly consider that a form of torture. It is rather strange that a sanctioned medical procedure is even implying genital_torture (genital_mutilation implies the tag) never mind regular torture.

Genital torture wiki

An umbrella tag for any kind of forced pain inflicted on the genitalia of a character. Please use a more specific tag if possible.

post #1940550

This character definitely looks like they are being tortured, and forced to undergo a procedure against their will.

Torture is a tag that cannot be indicated by any one concept. It very much depends on the context of the scene.

thevileone said:

I've now edited it to reflect that.

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